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16. July 2010 @ 15:57 |
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Well before the graphics card in question, but not well before other cards that would no doubt have the same issue. As Russ says, it's any ATI card. No monitor brand that brings out a new design requires reprogramming graphics drivers, other than when a new interface is introduced, such as displayport. Why would Sceptre be the only monitor manufacturer to need a fundamental rewrite of the software in order to function? If it were a quick fix, there'd be third party solutions everywhere.
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16. July 2010 @ 16:14 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
doesnt catalst give u the option?
Shaff,
No, it doesn't. Supposedly if you set the refresh rate to 60, the resolution should appear on the list, but it doesn't! It's not just this new HD4670, it's all Ati cards and on board graphics. Ati wants to blame the EDID of the monitor, but Windows see's it, Sandra see's it, Everest see's it and so do Nvidia cards. So why don't Ati cards see it? There are hundreds of thousands of monitors out there, with the same problem, and not just Sceptre's either!
Ati is supposed to have the best graphics, yet they can't seem to address a simple problem like this! The HD4650 doesn't even play DVDs decently! They look like Sh*t!
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16. July 2010 @ 16:27 |
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DVDs will look terrible if you're not using the native resolution of a PC monitor.
Interesting you should find so many results on google as I don't get any useful results at all when looking for your specific monitors, the issues almost always cite the X22wg gamer, which seems like a terribly unreliable screen from reviews, so it's no surprise there are problems with that.
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16. July 2010 @ 16:28 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I blame Sceptre to be honest. That's not needless protectivism, it's the monitor manufacturer's job to ensure compatibility with graphics cards, not the graphics manufacturer's responsibility to ensure compatibility with monitors. With two brands of card out there versus hundreds of monitor brands, it's not difficult for a monitor brand to get compatibility with both ATI and nvidia. Everybody else manages it.
Sam,
The thing of it is, everybody else doesn't manage it. These Ati/monitor conflicts exist with many brands of monitors, not Just Sceptre! There are over 2 million results listed in google. NEC, ViewSonic, as well as many other brands. Look at this!
This is being read off the EDID chip in the monitor! nVidia cards can see it, so why can't Ati cards see it?
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16. July 2010 @ 16:31 |
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The issue was common with early drivers from the AGP era. I haven't heard about it since about 3-4 years ago now. How many actual results (not just google results for a search term that are irrelevant) do you find from recent times?
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16. July 2010 @ 16:34 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
DVDs will look terrible if you're not using the native resolution of a PC monitor.
Interesting you should find so many results on google as I don't get any useful results at all when looking for your specific monitors, the issues almost always cite the X22wg gamer, which seems like a terribly unreliable screen from reviews, so it's no surprise there are problems with that.
Sam, I don't remember exactly what I googled, but try this foe a startQ
monitor can't display 1680x1050 resolution with Ati
That will give you about 100,000 results. Many different brands of monitors listed too!
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16. July 2010 @ 16:40 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The issue was common with early drivers from the AGP era. I haven't heard about it since about 3-4 years ago now. How many actual results (not just google results for a search term that are irrelevant) do you find from recent times?
Sam,
The Agp 8x X-800GTO I had was the only Ati card I never had any trouble with! The issue seems to be the 1680x1050 resolution, on all sorts of monitors!
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16. July 2010 @ 17:34 |
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I have a 1680x1050 monitor and four different types of ATI card. All of them can display it, Win XP, Win7, Win Server etc. Several of my friends use 1680x1050 monitors and various ATI cards too, literally the only place I have ever heard of the issue in recent times is with your case.
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16. July 2010 @ 17:39 |
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I love phenom processors... :p
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16. July 2010 @ 17:50 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I have a 1680x1050 monitor and four different types of ATI card. All of them can display it, Win XP, Win7, Win Server etc. Several of my friends use 1680x1050 monitors and various ATI cards too, literally the only place I have ever heard of the issue in recent times is with your case.
Sam,
Well, according to google, I'm far from alone. My biggest question is, if the problem doesn't exist with nVidia video cards, then why does it exist with Ati's? Supposedly I can overcome this problem, using Rivatuner 2.11 up. I have Rivatuner 2.24, so I want to know how I can set custom resolutions for the HD4670, using it? I've only used Rivatuner with the X-800 GTO, and that was a while ago, and only for unlocking the 4 additional pipes and for overclocking the card.
EDIT:Here's the link where I found over 2 million results for the problem.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q...a8f0ba61263b077
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16. July 2010 @ 22:28 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Will
Before you ask, I wasn't casting any dispersions on the BioStar TA890FXE . It's just unfortunate that the guy responsible for the motherboard layout must have fallen and hit his head that day. The spacing on the PCI-e slots is ridiculously close. There's simply not enough space between them. Not for any serious video cards, anyway. It's a shame really, as it's quite a good motherboard.
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I with you Russ either he had a bad day or it was a rush job to get it done.The spacing is all messed up yes it's a good motherboard maybe they should have stuck with just PCI-e slots instead of trying to over do it.I say someone did'nt measure that day...
Aight Russ now you got me confused Question is what the Maxs resolution on your Monitor and if you got ati HD4670 why did'nt it come with the catalyst software like all the ATI cards do. I believe my software would work with that card of yours even the software that came with my xfx HD 4770 at this point i'll show you the his ati 5770 view I can change the resolution but it recommened to run at 1920x1080 on my monitor that's the maxs.I order my lcd screen back in 5/1/09 it's been unavailible for a long time but it's back in stock now it's same one remember ? You recommened this screen for me:)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236051
my card is not availible any more but it's no different than the XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770,Sapphire 100283L Radeon HD 5770,Sapphire Vapor-X 100283VX-2L Radeon HD 5770 they all have the Juniper XT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161306
best of luck with that card:)
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17. July 2010 @ 01:28 |
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So I just looked at prospective build for an AMD system and it's more expensive than i7 build. Are the AMD hexa-cores really worth what they're asking for them? From what I know of i5/i7/AMD I'd just buy what ever is cheaper.
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17. July 2010 @ 01:38 |
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Will,
The maximum resolution is 1680x1050, and it did come with Catalyst. Same thing with the MA785GM-US2H motherboard I just used for my friend's build. It came with Catalyst too. Neither one will display 1680x1050! In the case of the new MB, it won't even work in DVI. It just gives a black screen, with no back light, but it does detect a video signal! The list of resolutions you covered up with the CCC pic doesn't list a resolution of 1650x1080!
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17. July 2010 @ 01:54 |
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
So I just looked at prospective build for an AMD system and it's more expensive than i7 build. Are the AMD hexa-cores really worth what they're asking for them? From what I know of i5/i7/AMD I'd just buy what ever is cheaper.
I would imagine it's worth it to some people. There are programs that can utilize that potential. Myself, it's too soon. I have very few programs that can utilize the full potential of the quads. Nero vision for instance. My 940 phenom impressed me today. It transcoded 2 1080P files to dvd in a mere 30 minutes. I think the total running time (frames) was around 50-55 minutes. One of the few programs capable of video encoding/transcoding utilizing near or full potential of a quad! If it could utilize a hexa-core? Oh baby! LOL! It just might be worth it then. Or if there were a very demanding game ;)
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17. July 2010 @ 01:59 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Will,
The list of resolutions you covered up with the CCC pic doesn't list a resolution of 1650x1080!
Russ
No it don't but.I'll take the cover off and let you see my list.lol sorry about that Russ.I'll post one on the AMD Rig later on right now.I'm working on a Old school rig for a customer
PS: I just had to do a search on Old VGA card for a customer (ATI Rage Pro 128) for a driver Found It:)) haven seen that old card in awhile
http://driverscollection.com/
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Originally posted by Red_Maw:
So I just looked at prospective build for an AMD system and it's more expensive than i7 build. Are the AMD hexa-cores really worth what they're asking for them? From what I know of i5/i7/AMD I'd just buy what ever is cheaper.
I would imagine it's worth it to some people. There are programs that can utilize that potential. Myself, it's too soon. I have very few programs that can utilize the full potential of the quads. Nero vision for instance. My 940 phenom impressed me today. It transcoded 2 1080P files to dvd in a mere 30 minutes. I think the total running time (frames) was around 50-55 minutes. One of the few programs capable of video encoding/transcoding utilizing near or full potential of a quad! If it could utilize a hexa-core? Oh baby! LOL! It just might be worth it then. Or if there were a very demanding game ;)
Oman7,
At $295 w/free shipping it's very tempting for me. All I need do is flash the bios to F10A, and install the 1090T! I also just downloaded the latest AMD OD, 3.2.1. With it you can control the percentage of usage for the cores individually. It would be nice to be able to set up a profile, just for encoding, since I don't generally do anything else when I encode anyway.
This Massachusetts build, may lead to more builds for me, so if I come up with $300 to spare, that will work! :)
Russ
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17. July 2010 @ 06:35 |
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just wonering russ but have you unplugged the monitor from the mains, tried turning it on, wait 30s and plugged it back in and then tried it. And have you tried another dvi cable?
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17. July 2010 @ 06:40 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
just wonering russ but have you unplugged the monitor from the mains, tried turning it on, wait 30s and plugged it back in and then tried it. And have you tried another dvi cable?
Shaff,
Yes on both counts!
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Russ, are you using the latest Catalyst downloaded off the website or are you using the drivers on the CD? New drivers come out almost every month that fix all sorts of issues. I own a 1680 x 1050 monitor as well and all of my Ati cards, an X850XT, an X1800XT, 4870 Crossfire, and my current 5850 Crossfire setup all recognize the monitor without issue.
My point being that you mention the Catalyst that came with the card, and the Catalyst that came with a motherboard's onboard graphics. There are specific, constantly updated drivers for the HD4000 series right on the ATi site.
Of course if you've already done this I have no clue then :S
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17. July 2010 @ 07:34 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Russ, are you using the latest Catalyst downloaded off the website or are you using the drivers on the CD? New drivers come out almost every month that fix all sorts of issues. I own a 1680 x 1050 monitor as well and all of my Ati cards, an X850XT, an X1800XT, 4870 Crossfire, and my current 5850 Crossfire setup all recognize the monitor without issue.
My point being that you mention the Catalyst that came with the card, and the Catalyst that came with a motherboard's onboard graphics. There are specific, constantly updated drivers for the HD4000 series right on the ATi site.
Of course if you've already done this I have no clue then :S
Estuansis,
I've already downloaded and upgraded them, to no avail! It just seems strange that so far no Ati card works with my monitor, yet every nVidia I've tried (5) does! The HD4670 works fine in Oxi, but I bought it for the more powerful 955BE. Now I'm stuck with a video card I can't return, and I'll have to spend more money for an nVidia card to put in my computer to replace the 9500GT with something more powerful. I'll never buy another Ati video card, or recommend one!
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17. July 2010 @ 08:29 |
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Aside from the fact that there are 237,000 results for that search, not many million, read some of those results. A large number of them are issues with Linux monitor support, and ATI's native linux software was, until recently, useless.
Several of them are automatically generated pages that take your search term, write it at the top and display another page that's probably not relevant.
Another issue is of course that 1680x1050 is only an officially supported resolution in DVI spec, not VGA spec. If Scpetre monitors specifically use some sort of VGA standard info instead of DVI, that may cause some confusion in the drivers. Almost all of these monitors are encountering the issue using VGA, and when they switch to DVI the problem disappears.
The rest of them are simply cases where they haven't got a graphics driver installed at all (A feather in Windows Vista/7's cap as they allow a graphics card to be fully utilised without a driver installed, correct resolution, DVD playback, games et. al)
Refusing to buy an ATI card because you bought a monitor from a sub-par brand is a strange way of going about things, but I'm pretty confident if you took a step out of the dark ages and installed Windows 7, you wouldn't have the issue.
Maw: The answer is no, unless they routinely use an application that can use 6 cores, and won't be overclocking. Outside this scenario, the X6 CPUs have little use.
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17. July 2010 @ 10:57 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
A feather in Windows Vista/7's cap as they allow a graphics card to be fully utilised without a driver installed, correct resolution, DVD playback, games et. al)
Refusing to buy an ATI card because you bought a monitor from a sub-par brand is a strange way of going about things, but I'm pretty confident if you took a step out of the dark ages and installed Windows 7, you wouldn't have the issue.
That's one thing about windows 7 it comes with alot of built in drives already to help and Russ may have to jump up to a better LCD screen in size like a 21.5 and another thing Sam are you calling Russ a Cave man...lol o'boy Gecko
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not directly calling Russ anything, but except for very rare program circumstances I really don't see why anyone needs to stick with XP any more, save for being unable to buy a copy of Win7 and refusing to "acquire" one.
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17. July 2010 @ 11:09 |
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Yeah XP has compatibility down but is very outdated these days and not really ideal for use with newer hardware. Windows 7 does a lot to address the issues of XP and Vista plus uses the best compatibility modes I've seen to date. Much more effective than on XP. And even after all this it still ends up following the same basic file system structure of XP. So it's better, cleaner, easier to use without being a whole different experience. And with the power of any modern PC, especially an overclocked quad core with plenty of RAM and a decent video card, performance is really not an issue at all.
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17. July 2010 @ 11:14 |
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Net extra memory usage in basic form is about 500MB for Win7 over XP, not a great deal in most instances. I can't get usage to reach 4GB at the desktop no matter how many programs I open, it takes complex games to achieve that, even with 30+ chrome tabs open in the background. Once you get used to the interface (which doesn't take long, and trust me, once used to Win7, you'll dislike the XP interface) it's a perfectly decent OS now, at long last.
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