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Which Transcoding Tools Produce The Best Picture Quality.
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31. July 2004 @ 09:39 |
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31. July 2004 @ 09:48 |
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Thanks Doc, I posted the links on your thread.
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31. July 2004 @ 18:40 |
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I read the review. What I stopped on is the off the subject jab at CCE. He said procoder2 was extremely better than CCE. Although he did qualify it with interlaced.
Of course no proof was offered.
I have DVDshrink 3.2 but primarily for utilitarian purposes. CCE is used on everything to be compressed.
It'll be a while before I run any big tests on new Shrink.
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31. July 2004 @ 18:57 |
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64026402...
Yeah, I paused when I read the precoder2 comment. I was wondering if I had missed something? But since I haven't used it, I don't really know what he ws talking about.
As far as it being awhile before you plan to use Shrink 3.2 for any big tests, it would be appreciated if you would consider taking up the "Shrink Challenge?"
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/1/97960#514958
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31. July 2004 @ 19:09 |
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Having not used Procoder before I can't say for sure what it is or isn't good for, but it does have a loyal following, if a significantly smaller one than CCE. I've seen very knowledgable people say that Procoder is better for interlaced material, and also some that say it's much better for low bitrates, but as I said I can't personally veryify any claims. Given Canopus' reputation for making high quality encoder boards I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that those claims were true, but then again given the wide range of options within CCE it's also possible that it's a question of getting everything just right for interlaced or low bitrate material. I've also seen people recommend using different Quantization matrices for CCE (only available in SP) to get better quality at low bitrates, but my own tests have shown that not to be true, so I take everything, even from experts, with a grain of salt.
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31. July 2004 @ 19:32 |
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Well, I just finished CCE for the night. I figure I'll run some DVDshrink 3.2 backups while I sleep.
I'll post results tomorrow.
Donald
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31. July 2004 @ 19:44 |
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Not a bad idea ... setting Shrink to work before you go to bed. I just finished LOTR-Return with deep analyis and Sharp default - with a total time reading of 2 hours, 28 minutes. Total DVD2One time was 39 minutes. After getting a few more things out of the way, I'm going to do some comparisons.
Out of curiosity, I googled Canopus's Procoder. It has a $499 USD MSRP.
http://www.canopus.us/us/products/procoder2/pm_procoder2.asp
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31. July 2004 @ 21:41 |
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Hi Doc,
A little closer inspection showed they had it on sale for $449. That's still a little pricey for a lot of folks. Appears to be more the tool for the pro or those lucky few with money to burn. I am neither.
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1. August 2004 @ 05:19 |
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1. August 2004 @ 08:23 |
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The Pro Coder 2 does sound very nice. The specs from the ebay link show "volume enhancement" which I find very interesting. I'm wondering if this would solve the low volume problem some DVD's have? I just might have to save my shekels and try to swing something using my 15 YO's student status.
@Sophocles... ...BTW, I googled "DVD Rebuilder Q & A" and your new DVD-RB/CCE thread showed up in 9th place!!!
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1. August 2004 @ 08:40 |
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It depends on the shearch criteria you listed if you just plug this "DVD-RB/CCE," into google is comes in first place out of 2.
Doc
The problem with your sound has nothing to do with encoding or at least it shouldn't. Have you compared it to the original?
The low volumn difficulty you're experiencing is probably the result of a low output signal from your DVD Player or the impedance/voltage output aren't matching whatever your pugging it into. What do you have it hooked too? Maybe we can figure it out between us.
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1. August 2004 @ 09:17 |
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Yeah, 1st place!!! (I guess it's all in knowing what to search for.)
The backup's sound is the same level as the source DVD's. The source DVD's sound is adequate on many, especially the newer releases, but others can require full volume just to be heard near-normal.
I came across this thread on the ProCoder. It gives some insight into its workings.
http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?s=7d88dcfd52d95416747085ad00ca3884&forumid=75
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2. August 2004 @ 10:43 |
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To spare myself of reading this entire thread...
Is their one transcoder that is conclusively better than the rest?
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2. August 2004 @ 12:37 |
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It's fairly well accepted that the Cinema Craft encoder is the best in the industry. The DVD-RB/CCE combination we discuss here uses the DVD Rebuilder freeware that is essentially a 1-click interface to the CCE engine. Most here use the less-expensive CCE Basic version which sells for $58.
Here is a guide with easy to follow instructions:
http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/archive/dvd_rebuilder_tutorial.cfm
BTW, did you locate the info you needed for your Sony drive?
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Dr_John
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2. August 2004 @ 12:49 |
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Doc409,
Thanks for the tip...I am currently using DVD Shrink v 3.2. I also have DVD X Copy v. 4.0.3.8
Does Shrink/XCopy use an inferior process?
In other words, if I want the best duplication possible, do I need to switch to the DVD-RB/CCE combination?
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2. August 2004 @ 13:26 |
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Yes.
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2. August 2004 @ 16:16 |
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Hmm!
Let's all vote for DVD-RB/CCE as the current best backup system.
People, if you use a transcoder because it's easier and you don't mind some compromise in your video quality, go for it, it's your backup. If you want the best you can have then DVD-RB/CCE is it.
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Dr_John
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2. August 2004 @ 16:59 |
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Perfect...thanks
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Dr_John
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3. August 2004 @ 10:45 |
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3. August 2004 @ 10:51 |
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Dr_John
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3. August 2004 @ 11:00 |
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I did as you have instructed with the only difference being that the trial version I installed was:
Cinema Craft Encoder Basic v2.67.01.19 (Trial)
instead of:
Cinema Craft Encoder SP (CCE) v2.67.00.23 Trial
Is this differance the problem?
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3. August 2004 @ 11:14 |
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Yes it is. The Basic trial won't encode more than 3 minutes per segment so you won't really be able to see the whole movie. Using the SP trial will get around that problem and is the reason you need to use ECLCCE.
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Dr_John
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3. August 2004 @ 11:23 |
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I'll give it a run, thank you.
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Dr_John
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3. August 2004 @ 13:12 |
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During the encoding phase of DVD-RB, I received the following error message:
Limitation of Trial Version: Can't open ECL file
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3. August 2004 @ 13:24 |
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That's where ECLCCE comes in. Copy the all the files from eclcce.zip to the folder CCE SP is installed in. Then run EclCCE.exe and select the CCE executable (cctsp.exe I think) and then you'll be able to use ECLCCE to run CCE after that. In DVD-RB you need to set the location of CCE SP (new) in the setup window to point to ECLCCE.exe and not cctsp.exe. That should fix your problem.
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