|
Which Transcoding Tools Produce The Best Picture Quality.
|
|
Staff Member
2 product reviews
|
13. September 2004 @ 09:35 |
Link to this message
|
@Sophocles:
A DV encoded AVI shouldn't be smaller than the same footage on DVD. An hour of DV encoded video (plus the associated WAV audio) is over 10GB because it doesn't use interframe compression like MPEG does.
I agree that you can get high quality captures. In fact if the original is good, the captured video should be as well, especially using the ADVC-300 to convert to DV.
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
|
Senior Member
|
13. September 2004 @ 09:40 |
Link to this message
|
|
I also wanted to confirm that it is best to edit the avi's, rather than edit after they are converted to mpeg's?
For convenience, I'd like to get as much of the 60 hours on a couple of large hard drives, and edit as a total package. Is 10 to 12 GB per hour a good rule of thumb?
|
AfterDawn Addict
1 product review
|
13. September 2004 @ 09:40 |
Link to this message
|
|
I really don't think I'd want more than 70 minutes of home video on a DVD. I didn't have to do a lot of editing because my Hi8 has flying erase heads which allows for editing as you go so there wasn't too much usless stuff. I ended with a little over thirty DVD's of home movies and they're family treasures. Vurbal I never actually compared the file size so I was just assuming and I never used CCE because I did this over a year ago.
" Please Read!!! Post your questions only in This Thread or they will go unanswered:
Help with development of BD RB: Donations at: http://www.jdobbs.com/. This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 13. September 2004 @ 09:45
|
AfterDawn Addict
1 product review
|
13. September 2004 @ 09:51 |
Link to this message
|
|
Vurbal
On another note, have you researched Digital cams of any kind, I'm looking to buy one to replace my aging hi8. If these hurricanes would leave me alone I'd be play with Adobe Premier Pro 1.5 and CCE but UPS keeps rescheduling the delivery.
" Please Read!!! Post your questions only in This Thread or they will go unanswered:
Help with development of BD RB: Donations at: http://www.jdobbs.com/. |
Staff Member
2 product reviews
|
13. September 2004 @ 12:03 |
Link to this message
|
|
Yeah, I didn't figure you'd had a chance to use CCE for it. I just didn't want Doc getting worried about his captures being bigger than they should be.
I have done some research on DV camcorders. In fact I bought one from somebody my wife works with. It was a real eye opener discovering how hard it was to find good technical comparisons between them. I highly recommend looking through the FAQ on Doom9's DV forum and reading through all the links to get started. They explain a lot of things far better than I could. That will most likely raise even more questions, but it's a good place to start. As far as differences between brands go, it largely depends on how much money you're going to spend. My camcorder is a fairly low end model, and I picked a Canon because it came with a better lense than other brands supply for a comparable price. On the other hand, it doesn't handle low light recording well, which some other brands (Panasonic and Sony IIRC) handle well with similarly priced models. If you spend enough money, the differences from one brand to another become much less significant.
|
AfterDawn Addict
1 product review
|
13. September 2004 @ 12:11 |
Link to this message
|
" Please Read!!! Post your questions only in This Thread or they will go unanswered:
Help with development of BD RB: Donations at: http://www.jdobbs.com/. |
Staff Member
2 product reviews
|
13. September 2004 @ 12:26 |
Link to this message
|
|
That definitely looks nice! I'll be very jealous if you get one.
|
Senior Member
|
13. September 2004 @ 12:56 |
Link to this message
|
|
That camcorder does sound nice, and I will also be jealous. I like the idea of the "film look" concept. I have been wondering for a long time why each (film and video) had a different look to them.
Ummm, with a digital recording studio, Premiere 1.5/CCE and this camera, one might think you are planning on proiducing professional music videos?
.
.
I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. (Pablo Picasso) This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 13. September 2004 @ 12:56
|
AfterDawn Addict
1 product review
|
13. September 2004 @ 13:05 |
Link to this message
|
|
Hmm!
It's amazing how one can put things together to form a conclusions. You're not to far off Doc, it just seems to be a waste to know stuff and not benefit from it somehow.
" Please Read!!! Post your questions only in This Thread or they will go unanswered:
Help with development of BD RB: Donations at: http://www.jdobbs.com/. This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 13. September 2004 @ 16:12
|
|
jdobbs
Senior Member
|
13. September 2004 @ 13:20 |
Link to this message
|
|
I do this all the time. I personally capture to segmented AVI files (so you get 100% of the original quality) and use CCE for video and SoftEncode for audio. How much you can fit depends upon what level of quality you want and how much action/camera movement you start with. Good videography makes for less bandwith.
You can do a lot better with multiple pass encoding (Canopus included) -- that's why I use segmented AVIs, the on-the-fly MPEG encoders will all leave you wanting for quality.
But capturing to segmented AVI has its own drawbacks. DV uses about 3.6 Megabytes per second... that means less than 10 minutes takes 2 Gigabytes... and an hour? Well you get the point --> get a big hard drive!
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 13. September 2004 @ 13:21
|
Senior Member
|
13. September 2004 @ 13:27 |
Link to this message
|
Soph ... what can I say(?) ... it's how my mind works. I always like to see people doing new things, and I like to support it. I also like to hang around and learn something.
jdobbs...segmented AVI and multiple pass encoding?
Quote:
You can do a lot better with multiple pass encoding (Canopus included) -- that's why I use segmented AVIs, the on-the-fly MPEG encoders will all leave you wanting for quality.
I don't know this language yet. What is segmented AVI, and how would you do multiple pass encoding at the front end?
.
.
I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. (Pablo Picasso) |
|
jdobbs
Senior Member
|
13. September 2004 @ 15:38 |
Link to this message
|
|
Segmented AVIs are multiple files that are all parts of a single stream. The AVI definition has 32 bit values associated with it which put a 2GB limit on file size. They're commonly used with VirtualDub (famous freeware AVI editor) and AVI_IO (capture software).
Multiple pass is just the MPEG conversion for creating the DVD.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 13. September 2004 @ 15:38
|
Staff Member
2 product reviews
|
13. September 2004 @ 16:31 |
Link to this message
|
@Doc
Something I didn't think to mention before is chroma upsampling. I'm assuming the Canopus device you have is designed to work with the Canopus DV codec. There's nothing wrong with that (I use it myself), but you may run into chroma problems. See this thread for more details: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33526
If you're working in AviSynth, you can fix the problem by using the FixBrokenChromaUpsampling filter. Just load the file with this line:
AviSource("c:\whatever\filename.avi").FixBrokenChromaUpsampling()
|
Staff Member
2 product reviews
|
13. September 2004 @ 16:33 |
Link to this message
|
If anyone's interested, I started a thread to post some miscellaneous operations in DRM Pro that I don't expect to be including in a guide. I don't have much there yet, but I plan to add more. Hopefully I'll be adding things as I figure them out. That way I'll be able to remember them later.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/108247
|
AfterDawn Addict
1 product review
|
13. September 2004 @ 16:43 |
Link to this message
|
|
Thanks Vurbal
I've subscribed to it.
" Please Read!!! Post your questions only in This Thread or they will go unanswered:
Help with development of BD RB: Donations at: http://www.jdobbs.com/. |
Staff Member
2 product reviews
|
13. September 2004 @ 16:46 |
Link to this message
|
|
No problem.
|
Senior Member
|
13. September 2004 @ 16:46 |
Link to this message
|
|
So have I. Thanks.
|
AfterDawn Addict
1 product review
|
13. September 2004 @ 17:04 |
Link to this message
|
|
Vurbal's new thread and in his own words.
Since I don't have the time or motivation to write my second DRM guide yet, I thought I'd start posting some instructions for simple operations people might get some use from. If you have any ideas to contribute, please do, but try to stay away from long, involved processes.As a general rule, if you can explain it in a short paragraph (2 at the most) it's fine.
Hmm! Yes Vurbal we'll keep it short. LOL
He must've been thinking of brobear.
" Please Read!!! Post your questions only in This Thread or they will go unanswered:
Help with development of BD RB: Donations at: http://www.jdobbs.com/. This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 13. September 2004 @ 17:07
|
Staff Member
2 product reviews
|
13. September 2004 @ 17:07 |
Link to this message
|
|
;-)
Hey now! I can be brief when I want to...........I just don't want to very often.
|
Senior Member
2 product reviews
|
13. September 2004 @ 17:11 |
Link to this message
|
heh, i just thought of something, we should keep this thread open (for as long as it takes) and make this the BIGGEST thread on the net ;) I think the record is like 1,000,000 posts though.
Edit: Never mind, i created a thread, its under "Safety Valve"
http://forums.afterdawn.com/forum_view.cfm/17
"The only people who should buy Monster cable are people who light cigars with Benjamins." - Gizmodo
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 13. September 2004 @ 17:17
|
AfterDawn Addict
1 product review
|
13. September 2004 @ 17:18 |
Link to this message
|
|
LOL
" Please Read!!! Post your questions only in This Thread or they will go unanswered:
Help with development of BD RB: Donations at: http://www.jdobbs.com/. |
Staff Member
2 product reviews
|
13. September 2004 @ 17:19 |
Link to this message
|
|
I think it's probably the longest one on AD already.
|
Senior Member
2 product reviews
|
13. September 2004 @ 17:25 |
Link to this message
|
|
It is :) but, i would like to keep this thread open, and thats why i opened a thread in the safety valve for the WORLDS BIGGEST Thread.
"The only people who should buy Monster cable are people who light cigars with Benjamins." - Gizmodo
|
Senior Member
|
13. September 2004 @ 17:25 |
Link to this message
|
Quote:
I think that we should all get together and take a final vote and put this thread to its rest.
Sophocles....Sept 11, 2004
After sitting dormant for 1-1/2 weeks, Soph stirred the pot, and the crowd came back strong.
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
AfterDawn Addict
1 product review
|
13. September 2004 @ 17:30 |
Link to this message
|
|
Pop
We may not reach a million and win by maximum number of posts but thanks to a few members such as Vurbal and brobear(and yea me on occassion too) we got them when it comes to word count.:)
On a serious note, so much has happened on this thread and we've all met some really great people and that's why I think people keep coming. We did have our S-Y-K-E-S and happyusers but they were few in mumbers.
" Please Read!!! Post your questions only in This Thread or they will go unanswered:
Help with development of BD RB: Donations at: http://www.jdobbs.com/. |
