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PS3 Release Date , Price , Capabilities , Preorder
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chandlew
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This thread is for readers who would like to be kept up-to-date with the facts which bear on the release date, price and capabilities of the PS3.
I will not spend too much time debunking the misinformation and confusion propagated by the infamous:
KoOkOo67 **** anubis66 **** their associated **** their aliases
To start this thread off:
Samsung today that the first Blu-ray DVD player would be available in April, 2006 for $1,000. The players will only support high definition playback to 1080i, (1080p is better, p = progressive, i=interlaced: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_scan ). Previous rumors were that the PS3 would support 1080p. The first 1080p Blu-ray player is not expected until later this year from Pioneer and it will cost $1,800 -- http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/7195.cfm
What do these prices and dates mean for the PS3? It is useful to use the facts from the PS2 release as a guide:
When the PS2 was released in October 26, 2000 it sold in the US for $299 -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2 -- At that time DVD players were selling for well under $300. In fact, the price of a DVD player had dropped below $300 a full 18 MONTHS before the PS2 went on sale for that price ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvd ). According to another archiving resource : http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#1.5 -- DVD players were selling for under $100 by the end of 2000 (when the ps2 was released).
What does this mean for the PS3? It appears our expectations about either the release date (this summer), the price ($400-$500), or the basic capabilities (1080p high-definition Blu-ray player) are very wrong.
I?d be interested if anyone else has more information to induce with. I will update this thread regularly.
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7. January 2006 @ 02:45 |
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Who knows? Maybe Sony IS bull$h!tt!ng us. Maybe it will come out this spring in Japan and this summer in the US. And maybe it will be released next year for all we know. As long as they don't give us a release date nothing is for sure. And even if they do give us a release date, that should only give us an idea of when to expect it, but it can still be delayed. I differ with you about the price. The first bluray players will most likely cost a fortune, since they are expensive to manufacture an their demand will be nearly non-existent. Why would you buy a bluray player for $1K when you can't do nothing significant with it (there are not many bluray movies at your local video store, are they?). The PS3 on the other hand will be expensive to manufacture, but will be considerably more substantial, so the price can be lowered because it will produce more profit per unit. Also, since there's more demand more units will be produced decreasing costs per unit. It's pretty simple. And since they will sell the PS3 at a cheaper price than the production cost to attract customers, I don't believe it will be that expensive.
Razengan!!!
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KoOkOo67
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7. January 2006 @ 08:27 |
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I will not spend too much time debunking the misinformation and confusion propagated by the infamous:
KoOkOo67 **** anubis66 **** their associated **** their aliases
I can't handle you ignorance anymore. You are about the most ignorant person I know, who twists other's peoples words arround.
Read the forum rules, it says dont start a new thread, if a thread like this is up.
You even changed your own words arround.
your previos article
"The first DVD-Audio players were released in Japan by Pioneer in late 1999, but they did not play copy-protected discs. Matsushita (under the Panasonic and Technics labels) first released full-fledged players in July 2000 for $700 to $1,200. DVD-Audio players are now also made by Aiwa, Denon, JVC, Kenwood, Madrigal, Marantz, Nakamichi, Onkyo, Toshiba, Yamaha, and others. Sony released the first SACD players in May 1999 for $5,000. Pioneer's first DVD-Audio players released in late 1999 also played SACD. SACD players are now also made by Accuphase, Aiwa, Denon, Kenwood, Marantz, Philips, Sharp, and others. (See 1.12 for more information on DVD-Audio and SACD.)" "
ps2 sold 529 canadian. You just keep using one website over and over. DVD's were 400-1000$ in 1999-2000. not under 100$. Dvd players now sell for under 100$.
Wow before you said the ps3 is going to cost a grand. you refuse to say this now. When ps2 was being *produced* in 1999, dvd players cost 400$+. Just like blueray readers are goign to be the cheapest a 400$, and most expencive 2000$+.
I have allies? What is wrong with you?
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-- At that time DVD players were selling for well under $300.
No, they were selling at cheapest 300$, and most expencive up to 1000$. You dont know what dvd player the ps2 has. Infact, the first audio dvd player released in the year 1999, was 5000$. You got all your facts wrong.
Read the forum rules, it says dont start a new thread, if a thread like this is up.
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chandlew
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7. January 2006 @ 10:53 |
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Razengan,
As for release dates, the only thing for sure is that the earlier release of the xbox350 is going to cause the PS3 to be released earlier than it otherwise would have been. Hopefully it will be fully developed, but I?ll wager the rush?ll cause something to slip. Heck, PS2s sold in the first 2 YEARS were later covered under a recall for faulty optical drives -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2#Technical_Issues --
With regards to the price, that?s a good point that the demand for Blu-rays is going to be nonexistent (at first) because of the lack of content to play on them. I expect many people will buy the PS3 because of its supported content at release (the number of game titles specific to PS3 + all PS2 + all PS1 games) with the expectation that there will be a further return on their investment, down the road, when their Blue-ray player puts them at the head of the upcoming home-theater wave.
Your statement that the PS3 will offer more profit per unit with a lower price does not make sense to me, can you explain what you mean? I understand and agree with your thought that as PS3 production increases the per-unit cost (to Sony) of each console decreases because 1) the costs of R&D and manufacturing machinery can be spread out over more sales, 2) chronic mass production leads to increased efficiency in the production process (see Dell Computers).
I do still believe that if the PS3 is released in the next six months it will be at about $900.
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chandlew
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7. January 2006 @ 11:01 |
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KoKo,
Did you have something to add?
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7. January 2006 @ 11:31 |
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I do still believe that if the PS3 is released in the next six months it will be at about $900.
I go t no clue to why u believe this.
Even from the article you posted said.
""The first DVD-Audio players were released in Japan by Pioneer in late 1999, but they did not play copy-protected discs. Matsushita (under the Panasonic and Technics labels) first released full-fledged players in July 2000 for $700 to $1,200."
ps2 still managed to sell 529 candina.
Now second point.
Do you know the GPU that both cnosols have?
Well the top of the line Video card on the market right now is the ge7800, at 500$. Now this video card is worse than the ps3 rsx, and the xbox360 xenos. If the rsx was on the market as a video card, im pretty sure they would be selling it 700$ american.
Now for the CPU, a top of the line AMD 64 would sell for 400$-600$ correct? The cell is more powerfull than that, so the cell if on the market should sell for 700$.
Now we got the Hardrives. well 100$ for 20gb hd for 360? Now bill gates is maing a hdtv hd for 360, that is suppose to cost almost quadriple the moneey. another 400$.
AS YOU CAN SEE these items are over priced. Im pretty sure that a blue ray reader probably costs 100$ to make. A cell probably costs 100$ to make, and w.e above. Heck 60gb hd sell for 40$ here in canada.
So as u put it that the ps3 should cost 900$.
I can do the same to you with the 360.
What is 700$+700$+400$?
1800$?
Even if you cut prices in half it would cost 900$.
Does the 360 sell for 900$?
No.
Same goes along with the ps3.
Heck even articles say that the ps3 costs 500$somthing to make.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/28/news_6128295.html
"Cell chip, RSX, and BD-ROM drive--will cost about 11,000 yen ($101) each"
Now stop this.
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7. January 2006 @ 11:54 |
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from my point of view, most companies (sony, microsoft, nintendo) do not make there money on the sales of their sytem, they make the money on the games they sell. The increase in the price of the games does not help the companies make more profit, this is because the price to build and produce the games is on the rise also. I think that even though the price to put Blu - ray compatability in the system will be outragious, the companies will be able to over look this cost and look for a bigger profit from the games and movies that they will be able to sell because the technology will be MORE affordable through the system. (even though it will not be that affordable, around $399-$499)
Just my opinion though...tell me if i missed anything
Mike
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8. January 2006 @ 02:14 |
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Your statement that the PS3 will offer more profit per unit with a lower price does not make sense to me, can you explain what you mean?
Of course that wouldn't be the case at first, since they will be losing some money until the cost to produce the console decreases. But once they begin making profits, it will surely produce more profit than the bluray player, until enough BD-Rom movies arrive.
Razengan!!!
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Laddec12
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9. January 2006 @ 06:04 |
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Hope you guys know that the release date of the ps3 wont be untill sometime late 2006 to 2007 due to the fact that microsoft sued the hell out of sony.
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9. January 2006 @ 09:24 |
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When is the next big electronis show so we might hear something on the PS3?
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KoOkOo67
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9. January 2006 @ 10:51 |
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Please, dont post anything without a source. Give us the website, and maybe more people will believe you. I never EVER heard anything about M$ sewing Sony for nothing. Infact ive heard M$ being sewed by game developers.
Infact, I've even googled it..FOUND NOTHING RELEVANT.
You forget that M$ was sued for stealing technology back some years. I dont know but ill find the article. They lost 4 billion dollars, with the XBOX and still 360 managed to release consols 2005. but with a shortage.
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chandlew
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9. January 2006 @ 19:41 |
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One other thought, which may support your argument that the PS3 will cost substantially less than this, is that Sony recognizes this Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD conflict is do-or-die. Sony already knows how good the royalty payout from a format can be. Every DVD player sold worldwide includes in its price nearly $20 worth of licensing fees, some of which goes to Sony for its work in the initial development -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvd_player -- So, Sony may be figuring the success of Blue-ray depends on the success (mass adoption) of PS3. Therefore, if Sony can get 1,000,000 PS3s into US households in 24 hours with a release date before December 2006-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2#Sales_Record ? they will have won the format war and could reap a much larger percentage of the royalties compared to their DVD royalties (since Sony is the primary developed for Blu-ray, but only one of many firms helping to develop DVD format) for a few years to come.
This does make sense and would call my prior price estimates ($900 PS3) into question. However, I think there is enough uncertainty as to how long the next generation of storage media (be it Blu-ray or HD-DVD) will stay at the top, that this would be a risky gamble on Sony?s part.
It?s best to crunch numbers-- in terms of expected cost of manufacture and projected sales. Does anybody have this info concerning Blu-ray or PS3?
By the way Koko, the expensive DVD players you were speaking of were DVD-audio players. If you stuck a DVD-audio format disk in a PS2 it wouldn't play. The DVD player that the PS2 had at release was selling for less than the cost of a PS2 at release ($300, see the links in prior article).
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chandlew
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10. January 2006 @ 09:07 |
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I've been stopping in game-shops around Portland, Oregon and most say they are waiting for a release date and a SKU from Sony before they start their pre-order lists. I did happen upon one gaming outlet that did have a pre-order list started. There were already 14 people on it. Their pre-order list for xbox360 was 20, and they received 20 consoles. I would have put my $50 down if I knew I'd be here in NOVEMBER (which is when I expet it will be released).
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chandlew
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10. January 2006 @ 09:12 |
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I expect we won't hear anything but rumors about the PS3 until just before or at the E3, which is scheduled for May 9-12 2006 in Los Angeles: http://www.e3expo.com/
Expect a pre-order rush just after this. But reality is, most people in America aren't as obsessed as we are about the PS3. So if you're promt, (May 15 for example), I expect there won't be too much trouble finding somewhere to register your pre-order.
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chandlew
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10. January 2006 @ 09:26 |
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10. January 2006 @ 10:34 |
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What do you mean, if you stick an audio dvd in your ps2.
Well mine sure seems to do.
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10. January 2006 @ 10:43 |
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chandlew
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10. January 2006 @ 11:23 |
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Koko,
I don't think you understand what DVD-Audio is, this is why I say you spread disinformation and confuse others. You are playing a DVD-Video disc with audio files on it in a DVD-Video player (PS2). The PS2 does not play DVD-Audio disks. Info on DVD-Audio at (same source): http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#1.12.1
Your comrades at ps3focus are just recycling the rumors Sony fostered a year ago. No new info there. Sony's die-hard younger fans (meaning the fans without a lot of income) are going to be caught off- guard when the announcement comes at E3. The PS3 is going to have a Blu-ray (I now am convinced they will not offer a stripped down version without Blu-ray) and the premium package will be $700-800 (I expect).
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10. January 2006 @ 11:41 |
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Atually, i dont really pay attention to the ps2. That does not concern me, it was a piece of cr** wiith good games.
If you read my article, i think you would of read that the cheapest blueray is 499.
I've also said before. Look at the prices for the GPU geforrce 7800.
I havnt checked since last month. But in canada they sold 800$.
This GPU is far weaker than the gpu in the ps3. Ps3 's GPU is probably 25% better. Price probably alote more.
Does this mean that the ps3 will cost more than a grand ? NO
Next
how much do you think a top of the line AMD or Pentium D\4 processor costs? last time i checked 500$ on ebay. Probably more, im not sure, check yourself. The ps3 Cell processor is currenty stronger than the PC processor. Which makes it more money if sold seperatly as a processor on the market, than a pc processor. Does that make the Ps3 1600$?
Along with the hardware.(the XDR ram) (DDR ram costs 50-200$ in canada) XDR ram is 12X faster than it. Obviosly the ram costs more. Guess what, the ps3 has it. Does that make the Ps3 2000$+?
NOPE
Along with everything else9controller features media, Consol(and the posablity of linux preinstaled in every ps3 HD. Would the ps3 cost 2300$+?
NOPE
You tell me(since linux is mostly free) how much would you have to pay for windows XP professional? How much for a hardrive? how much for media features?
Blueray
1000$ for sony blueray reader. so 3300$+.
will the ps3 cost 3300$?
NOOOOO way
If you say "yes", then why doesnt the xbox360 cost approximatly 3 grand?
Everything is the same, just subtract the BRR, you get app 3grand.
CANADIAN MONEy.
Dont argue that with me.
Blueray as i said, probably costs 100$ to make.
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chandlew
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11. January 2006 @ 21:38 |
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Koko,
It's a shame you take up so much space to say something you're aready said before. Doubly a shame since you were slightly easier to understand the first time.
I agree with you that the PS3 is going to cost less than the sum of its parts (as the xbox360 does and as the PS2 did at release). However, despite your best wishes, the PS3 is likely to be in the $700 ballpark for the premium system.
By the way, that is the lamest cop-out on your disinformation tirade -- "i dont really pay attention to the ps2" -- Are you ready to admit that the when the PS2 went on sale in the USA it was as expensive or more so than the DVD player it contained?
I'm glad to see you've finally come around to my November release date prediction.
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12. January 2006 @ 01:25 |
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i dont think sony is going to be gay and release 2 types of systems like m$. it is a bad idea. thre will be one type of system going for 450-500 dollars, and no more. if it was more, people would not get it. i see a price at 499 or 449.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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12. January 2006 @ 02:39 |
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Funny, before you said.. 900$, then 800$ then 700$
But w.e you'll see. I dont see how you can say the ps3 will cost 300$ more because of a blueray reader.
I just showed you that something as valuable as the blueray didnt increase the price on the 360 by 300$
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I just showed you that something as valuable as the blueray didnt increase the price on the 360 by 300$
That would likely be because the 360 has no blu ray reader..
I think the ps3 will have two versions but the only difference between them will be color.. one gray and one black
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12. January 2006 @ 08:31 |
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they will be the same version, just a different case. there are plans for white black silver and metal flecked.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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12. January 2006 @ 08:53 |
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Black look good as hell.
ps3 with 20gb hard drive
xbox 360 premium edtion with vga/hd hook up to my dell 20.1 inch widescreen lcd.
White and black 1.5 psp's
I'll take this down WHEN micro$oft decides to stop being lazy and make the capcom fighting games backwards compatible with the 360 dammit!!!
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