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17. August 2006 @ 20:11 |
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Boy those crop dusters don't leave much margin for error.
Lol, bet that was some work cleaning up all that paint!
Sierra makes some very fine bullets that I've used with great success. I've had good results with Hornady and could've saved myself the trouble if I'd paid enough mind to read the slip of paper in the bullet box that stated not to drive them past 3,000 fps. Apparently they were made with an especially thin jacket to help expansion in lower velocity 6mm cartridges. I'd have known that had I not been a very impatient 19 year old at the time :P
It takes a very very well made bullet to perform at 3,800 fps that's for sure! Anymore for rifles I've been really liking Nosler's Ballistic Tips. I'd love to get my loading bench set back up and give those a whirl in the Savage.
I'd like to put together a rifle for hunting deer and elk with my uncle up in Colorado and am taking a good look at the .270 WSM - any of you have experience with it?
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17. August 2006 @ 20:50 |
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1 of my classmates in grade 8 took 1 of his eyes out when heating a .22cal in a bench vise. bullet didn't do the damage but casing did.
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17. August 2006 @ 21:22 |
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The casings are nasty when there isn't a chamber around the holding them together.
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17. August 2006 @ 21:23 |
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a .270 is a really good flat shooting round, great for long shots and open country. A buddy of mine swears by his .7mm remington magnum, but I'd pick either the .270 or the .243/6MM cartridges.
Heavier rounds, I vote for the reliable 30-06 or .308, seem to do better in a cross wind.
Heck at 19 I was very impatient, used Remingtom 9 1/2M primers to get IMR4064 to ignite better (hotter) and drive 60 gr bullets a little quicker, a feeble attempt to cut through the wind better, finally realized I needed to learn how to read the wind a ranges over 250 yards.
You've stirred up fond memories of the old timers who would bend over backwards to help a young-un learn how to reload and shoot straight, most of them were WWI and WWII vets who knew the value of freedom and what it meant to fight for it. Charlie and Bob, I salute you two, God bless you and thanks for all the help.
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17. August 2006 @ 22:29 |
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http://www.magsafeonline.com/
Ah, yes, Magsafes. Forgot about them. I kind of wonder though - some of the velocities seem insanely high, like .40 S&W getting up to 2100 fps. Do you know if they really get that kind of performance?
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17. August 2006 @ 22:40 |
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heres my 9mm
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18. August 2006 @ 09:38 |
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@ Blivet,
While I love the 6mm's I need something heavier since elk are in the equation. I really like the Winchester Short Mags (short bolt throw, rifle's a wee bit shorter too) and I keep going back and forth between the .270 version and the 7mm version. Of course the bullet selection for the 7mm would be ten times that of the .270 but I've always had a "thing" for the .270 caliber. Guess I'll figure it out when I walk into the gunshop with cash in hand :)
I started loading at 15 and my Dad gave me some pointers to get me started but he hadn't loaded since the early sixties (when he had one of the original Lee Loaders that you had to hammer the die over the case) so I was on my own to figure out the details. I did pretty good - I have all my fingers and never blew up a gun :P
I take it Charlie and Bob helped you get off the ground reloading?
@ Dunker,
I'm sure the velocities aren't quite what they claim, we know factory stats can be rather generous, but I'm sure they're close. That 2,100 fps .40 load uses a 46 gr bullet so with the right powder I can see getting some insane velocities. I remember reading quite a few articles when they first hit the market and my impression was they generally lived up to the claims.
aabbccdd,
Those CZ 75's are really nice pistols and very well designed. I've always liked their looks.
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18. August 2006 @ 10:25 |
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Nephilim , yes there a rock solid gun i really like mine alot. to test these guns they run like 30,000 rounds though them so there built for a lifetime and they shoot great very smooth
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18. August 2006 @ 20:00 |
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@Neph, yeah, those were the guys who would do anything to help someone out. I was 17 and had the same Lee loading die kit you mention, still have it as a matter of fact, same wooden log used topound the case in and out, and to seat the bullet. This was just a neck resizer, not the full neck resizer. Would buy my reloading supplies from him, and he'd always toss in a few "left over" .224 bullets to see if I liked them. That's how I settled on Sierra. Best accuracy and most damage to Mr woodchuck's head. The animal rights activists don't even want to think of what happens when Mr. Crow meets a hollow point. The crows are pretty smart, they quickly realize it is time to feast on another farmers feed corn. Of course when the other guy figures out what is happening, he comes over and yells at us for not hunting on his farm land. Of course we were more than happy to oblige and scare the heck out of the winged varmints.
But, back to your dilema Neph, go ahead and get the 7MM, more choices and a lot more mass to the bullet.
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19. August 2006 @ 07:10 |
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Now we are talking. Makes me want to set up my Lyman T-Mag and get to work again.
While I not reloaded ammo & performed all the tests for accuracy, there are some things I would do.
I would use a flash hole deburring tool on the flash hole and instead of roll crimping I would use a factory crimp die after having seated the bullet.
Another step to take is checking previously re-loaded brass for thinning on the inside down near the base. When you are shooting something like the M-1 you get a case seperation, it can be a little interesting. When you see, out the corner of your eye, more than item flying through the air... Case thinning can be checked with a plain old paper clip straightened out & one end bent the right way.
As for components, you can save some money by buying in bulk at gun shows.
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19. August 2006 @ 08:13 |
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Ah, the old varmint reloading set,
bought this sometime around 1974-1975
The old timers will remember this and the prices.
the .22 shells are from my Grandfather, sometime during WWII
Haven't had this stuff out in years.
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20. August 2006 @ 07:49 |
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blivetNC,
the .270 is a nice round, but for more impact, speed, and long distance accuracy I prefer a .270 WSM. The short casing provides a more complete burn, and delivers a few hundred more fps and impact lbs/sq inch. I love my Tikka T3 Hunter...
Tikka is a division of Sako (which I am sure you know of).
http://www.tikka.fi/
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23. August 2006 @ 03:38 |
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@Sandt and Neph, excuse my ignorance but I wasn't aware of the .270 WSM cartridge, did a little research on it and yeah, it would be a tough choice to make, both look very impressive, but from what I have read, it looks like the 270 is a hair more accurate. Both calibers have about the same choices in bullet weights for reloading, but it looks like the 7MM has more factory loads to pick from right now. This is a good dilema to have, a choice between two great choices. That is a beatufil rifle by the way Sandt.
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23. August 2006 @ 03:53 |
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23. August 2006 @ 09:17 |
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That Tikka is a beauty! It kinda reminds me of the Browning A-Bolt.
I was chatting with one of the Finninsh mods the other day (Jannejt) and I mentioned how Sako/Tikka rifles were made in Finland and he said that Tikka is the name of a small bird that lives in Finland which I thought was interesting.
Damn that guy was fast Jizmak!. My favorite handgunner has to be Jerry Miculek who shoots for S&W. The guy can rip off 8 shots at four targets in 1.06 seconds. His "6 shots, reload, 6 more shots" routine is surreal to watch. The way I drop stuff all the time it takes me forever to get my GP-100 loaded :P
Here's a vid of Jerry doing his thing,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuCi0DU1xV0&mode=related&search=
Have you guys heard of Tom Knapp who shoots for Benelli? This guy's unreal too - I've seen him hand toss eight clays then shoot all eight with a pump 12 guage before they hit the ground. I didn't know it was physically possible to work a pump shotgun that fast. He can also take a .22 semi auto rifle and shoot hand tossed aspirins out of the air
If any of you have the History Channel keep an eye out for a show called Sharpshooters. It's an awesome 2 hour show that highlights all the exhibition shooters of old as well as the active ones today like Jerry Miculek and Tom Knapp.
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23. August 2006 @ 10:02 |
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The History Channel is one of my fav. channels so i will keep an eye open for that show Neph.
Jizmak, i saw a video close to that i will have to fine it and post it
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23. August 2006 @ 11:56 |
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23. August 2006 @ 12:56 |
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excellent link Pulsar. Fine shooting.
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2. September 2006 @ 14:12 |
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If any of you have the History Channel keep an eye out for a show called Sharpshooters.
Just got done watching it, and it rocked! I forget the guy's name, but one guy fired two ricochet shots from two separate revolvers simultanously to hit two separate targets. Well, it gives me a goal to work towards...;)
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2. September 2006 @ 14:45 |
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Makes me feel humble to be able to hit the broadside of a barn from inside it, great show, shooting aspirin in mid air? These guys are good, keep an eye for it next time it shows up on the History Channel, well worth it.
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7. September 2006 @ 13:15 |
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Hi Neph,
Whats the point of this discussion. As you well know the Sig Sauer P226 is the best there is.
You and I have been having this discussion for a number of years now. Lol
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7. September 2006 @ 16:20 |
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Anybody here have a Walther P22 and the silencer package that could enlighten me on the process to acquire the silencer, in the USA...
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8. September 2006 @ 08:59 |
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Good Lord Almighty it's been forever and a day agent k! Life's been real interesting for me of late. How've you been old friend?
I'll have you know I'll never give up my Hi Power for one of them there Sigs :P
Dunker, that was Bill Ogelsby and that shot was amazing. Could you imagine the ammo budget those guys have in order to get that good?
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8. September 2006 @ 09:13 |
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The Model 500 from Smith & Wesson is the biggest, heaviest, most powerful factory-production double-action revolver in the world. It's built on an entirely new and massive S&W frame size. It fires the new .500 S&W Magnum cartridge, which is the most powerful factory load ever developed specifically for handgun use.
The downside is I am too poor to afford it or the rounds to use it.
But I must say I love my S&W 620 7-shot.
But what else would you expect from a DA revolver lover. =)
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8. September 2006 @ 10:03 |
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Jizmak, my Friend has one of those Smith & Wesson 500s lol its a monster. i got to shoot it and it make my hand numb the first shot plus the kick of the gun is unbelievable .the bullets are 2.00 dollars a piece
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