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31. July 2006 @ 18:03 |
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Wow, I've never seen a Nylon that used a clip. Those Romanian AK's are very nice as are the Yugoslavian ones.
Those Ithacas are wonderful shotguns. My Dad has an Ithaca Featherweight 12ga. and it's a joy to hunt with - I've taken dove, quail and pheasant with it :)
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31. July 2006 @ 22:39 |
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@ all the anti gun ppl that live in the USA
If it wernt for the gun you would not have the freedom to bitch about how much you dont like guns.
GUNS WHERE USED TO WIN THE WAR AND OUR FREEDOM WE TAKE FOR GRANTED TODAY.
(please don't mistake this for a personal attack, because it's not, im just makin a point)
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1. August 2006 @ 16:09 |
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Agreed, Spyder22. Furthermore, everybody - even diehard gun control advocates - know full well that guns save more lives than they take. If they really made the world more dangerous, they'd also advocate disarming their police and military forces. But they want to enjoy the protective benefit of guns every bit as much as you and I do.
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1. August 2006 @ 16:48 |
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...guns save more lives than they take. If they really made the world more dangerous, they'd also advocate disarming their police and military forces.
LoL Dunker, you lost me on that one :^)
@ sandt38 - no, I mean they would break in to steal those guns, in Canada! They would come in force (and Kevlar) @ 4:30AM... or they would watch your place tirelessly until there was nobody home.
You could never publicise that you have them, as you have done...
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2. August 2006 @ 07:35 |
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LOL! Yeah Dunker, I've got to agree with the_OGS on that one; you rather lost me too.
I've enjoyed this thread since Neph started it because it's been so intelligently discussed with no one flaming and its awesome when people can agree to disagree without throwing tantrums like two year olds ... perhaps that's because its Neph's thread and he has the big red ban button LOL! Perhaps its also because I studied a lot of philosophy and theology back in my seminary years so I have a thing for intelligent discussion. What I particularly enjoy about this discussion (and other like them) is that there are both valid and sound points to be made on both sides of the issue.
I totally agree with Neph about the drugs. Before I got rid of my car (I now rent one when I need one), I had my car door's windows smashed regularly so some junkie could go through the coin racks. Got to the point where I just left it unlocked with the windows open. No alarm is going to stop someone from a quick smash and grab as evidenced by all the tiny glass shards you see on every Philly sidewalk.
When I revived this thread, I was in something of a snit. Because of a certain spinal condition, I take oxycontin and percocet three and four times a day and have been for many years; I am, in effect, a chronic pain patient. They have regulations which do nothing for drug traffic yet make it really difficult on the disabled to get their meds. THe doctor cannot fax to the pharmacy, I have to physically go to the office to pic up a script. Then I have only 24 hours to fill it or its void. Should the pharmacy be out, they cannot call the one on the other corner to see if they have it because they're narcotics and its against the law so here you are, in all sorts of pain, and you have to make rounds until you find a pharmacy that carries it ... kind of rough for a disabled person (though I've finally found one of these family owned pharmacies with whom I've made an arrangement because the big chains don't want to carry it and be bothered with outrageous regulations ... pharmacies have come to find new fed regulations too intrusive also!). I can walk across the street and buy weapons without the least bit of hastle and they whine about the handgun murder rate, but people in my position can't get a friggin' pill without having to go through all sorts of crap. I can purchase the means to mame and kill absolutely effortlessly, but I can't get medication I need without all sorts of grief. I'm surprised more disabled people don't go effortlessly buy an assault weapon and go postal on legislators! (don't report me, that's not a threat!).
Anyway, while I have no objections to rifles, I really think we need to do something about the way handguns are so easily bought and sold. So too, I think the notion of AK-47s and grenade launchers as a viable home defense options is pure nonsense. The fact is, we really have no gun regulations at all and my co-workers grandson just got it in the back and died for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I too have come very close twice; I've hidden behind a trash can in a particularly nasty drive by shooting, my buddy's granson got killed in a similar circumstance and I missed being shot in a bank robbery by five mins once. Something needs to be done; I don't know how valid it is to demand one's rights when those same rights deprive others of their very lives.
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2. August 2006 @ 08:10 |
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2. August 2006 @ 09:10 |
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The point is that gun control advocates know full well that guns save lives. You're familiar with the old canard that "guns kill" and that "guns make the streets more dangerous", right? But gun control advocates apparently don't believe their own rhetoric because you don't see too many of them advocating the disarmament of the police and military. (Esp. in the U.S.) That's because they know guns make the world safer, even though most won't admit it.
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2. August 2006 @ 09:17 |
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Ah Gerry, I just love hearing of the hurdles some people go thru to get required medication, when a couple of states away my co-worker has oxycontin thrown at him by the VA hospital in Salisbury to make him go away 'cuz he is suffering from kidney stones. Literally he has almost 500 pills in his possession, at the same time, at a cafeteria with recovering addicts and practicing addicts. He was shocked to find out what the going rate for the pills were at the time, all I could think of was him getting mugged for the bottles, or being arrested and tossed into prison for trafficking. 500+ pills. My head still spins. Just given to him to manage his pain until they could get him in to see a specialist for kidney stones. Absurd isn't it.
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2. August 2006 @ 09:30 |
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@gerry1
Drawing a parallel between guns and drugs is a little tiresome. Drugs (recreational drugs) are just that and there is no reason why they should be legal. If anything, the penalties should be drastically increased. The reason Philly has such as high murder rate is because of the drugs (and, yes, family breakdown, media violence, boredom, etc. all factor in too, but it's mainly the drugs.) Yeah, and the mayor doesn't want to do anything except chase the Boy Scouts out of town.
(BTW, Mayor Street has got quite a security detail for a diehard gun control supporter - now do you understand my point about gun control advocates being hypocrites for wanting to be protected with guns?)
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As for your meds, well, about 100,000 people die each year due to medical mistakes (1) versus 10,000 due to gun accidents *and homicides*. So, even if it were true that medicine was more regulated than guns (and it really isn't), these numbers help to explain why that's necessary.
FYI, I'm just playing devil's advocate on the prescription drug thing; I will be the first to say that prescription drug regs, like gun regs, are much too strict and do nothing.
1. Institute of Medicine/National Academy of Sciences, Nov. 1999
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2. August 2006 @ 12:08 |
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The situation you just illustrated is a perfect example of my point that our priorities and how we deal with problems is so screwed up and that these strict regulations punish the law abiding folks the most. To make a person in chronic pain go through such hurdles to get a necessary medication is just flat out wrong. Those ridiculous laws are there to supposedly prevent those meds getting in the hands of those that shouldn't have them but in reality those meds are probably more easily available illegally than legally. My heart goes out to you for the troubles you must endure.
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2. August 2006 @ 12:13 |
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@neph...thanks guy...venting my pet peeve LOL! Ah, glad I got that off my chest LOL! I'm told they're very easy to get on the street and very expensive. Maybe I should go into business with BlivetNC's cousin! j/k.
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2. August 2006 @ 12:52 |
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I had a sling shot when I was 10.
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2. August 2006 @ 13:13 |
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@LOCO...so did I! I didn't use the sort on the Y frame thought but rather, a pouch on two leather straps that you swirl above your head and let the front strap go. My cousin Joey was remarkably good ... I was simply dangerous lol! My cousin Joe is a taxidermist and got into it when he was just a kid. He started with the slig shot not to mark what he would later and rather grusomly stuff! He later progressed to a bow and arrow, then crossbow at which he is rather remarkable ... I can at least release the arrow in the right direction which is more than I could do with the stone in the sling shot!
When we were kids, we'd use unripened grapes in the sling shots and aim at this one particularly large hornets nest in the orchard...Joe was a rather remarkable shot but I never claimed that either of us were very bright LOL!
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2. August 2006 @ 14:48 |
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The people that should NOT have guns and hard drugs, have all they want; the ones who should have guns and hard drugs have all the obstacles!!
Isn't that how our Government works. Nothing new there.
Edit: I had a rather nice bow and arrow, and bb gun by 10.
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2. August 2006 @ 16:40 |
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True enough garmoon...true enough!
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2. August 2006 @ 16:43 |
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@gerry
You are only allowed one "remarkable" or any variation thereof per post...LOL
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2. August 2006 @ 22:40 |
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Me thinks it is time to start a thread here titled,
"The stupidest thing I ever did as a kid/teenager" Ex wives don't count..
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3. August 2006 @ 03:56 |
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Sounds good to me!
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3. August 2006 @ 04:47 |
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Sounds like it could be really funny!
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3. August 2006 @ 16:48 |
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One year for X-mas I got an official Red Ryder carbine-action 200-shot range model BB rifle with a compass in the stock, but I almost put my eye out so it didn't last long....lmao
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3. August 2006 @ 16:58 |
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Here's a picture of LOCOENG with his pop-gun . . .
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3. August 2006 @ 17:02 |
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11. August 2006 @ 23:27 |
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Here goes (By the way, this is all coming from an American point of view):
On the day of my Eighteenth birthday (which was only 3 days ago), I went out and purchased a rifle, mainly because I like guns: shooting them, hunting with them, and maintaining them.
However, there were a few other reasons also, and I'll write them down for you all (I'm so nice) :D.
1. I believe it to be not only a privelege, but a necessity to own a gun, mainly for self defense.
and 2. Because I was given a right by my forefathers to own one (and I like to exercise my rights).
Now, with these basics layed out, I can express my feelings on gun control, and (even worse) gun laws.
Here is my 2 cents: The second amendment was instituted into the Declartion to keep the people safe from the government, not the other way around. Our forefathers implemented it so that if our government ever turned sour, we would not only be able to defend ourselves, but would be able to overthrow the tyrants and reinstate Democracy.
Even the restrictions upon what guns you can, and can not own are a complete joke. What don't people understand about "...shall not be infringed"?
Besides, the law, no...not law, the absolute finality of the second amendment meant to protect us from the military (which of course would be at the disposal of the corrupted government). How are we supposed to do that if we've got inferior weapons?
Now, here's an example of a conversation between a friend of mine (who happens to want guns banned), and myself:
Friend- "But, if all guns were illegal, there'd be no where near as much crime as there is."
Me-"Not true, because the people who are doing all the killing, robbing, and other such things will STILL be able to get their hands on them...I mean, what's one more broken law to a criminal? Then what would normal, law-abiding people do, with no self protection?"
F-"Not if the police took them all, and buried them, or burned them, or whatever they do with them."
M-"I'll tell you exactly what they do, they KEEP them. So there would be a handful of people with all the power of the populice...not smart.
It goes on, but into rather boring details.
Well, I hope I didn't offend anyone, if I did, I apologize.
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
-The Second Amendment
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11. August 2006 @ 23:34 |
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NO need to apologize your right on the money. new gun control laws are dead with the way things are today. the american public wouldn't have it
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11. August 2006 @ 23:39 |
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NO need to apologize your right on the money. new gun control laws are dead with the way things are today. the american public wouldn't have it
Nice, I'm glad there are people who share my point of view (Who are outside of the family).
Let's just say I've got a family that's 3/4 FOR gun control (about 15 people), and the rest of us own enough guns to arm a small militia XD
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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