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gerry1
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13. June 2006 @ 09:34 |
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@BlivetNC .... LMAO!!! That would be one hell of a miraculous cane indeed! It just wouldn't be the case though, Blivet, however great the notion. You see, the world couldn't possibly experience any greater act of terrorism than to be exposed to me in a pair of tights. They would lock me up and throw away the key forever and they would have every right to do so LOL! ...and they'd lock you up with me for ever having suggested that such a horror be unleashed upon the american people! LOL!
Which reminds me; just last week I read a classified ad in the Philadelphia Weekly's kinky stuff in the back of the paper; some guy with a sexual fetish for superhero costumes was looking for a woman who shares the fetish and who would get into having a regular sexual arrangement LOL! I'm serious! ...hell, I would love to be a fly on the wall for that arrangement!
edit: I've really got to learn to type better.
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13. June 2006 @ 09:34 |
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that's an awesome plane. Saw it on Mail Call. The only thingthat impressed me more was the millon round a minute gun. Can't remember the name. If I can't have it, I block it out. Ha.
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13. June 2006 @ 09:39 |
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13. June 2006 @ 09:40 |
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13. June 2006 @ 09:41 |
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Lol, we were searching at the same time weren't we?
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13. June 2006 @ 09:44 |
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Yeah, I usually have about 4 to 5 windows open. Wikipedia is great.
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13. June 2006 @ 09:49 |
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13. June 2006 @ 09:55 |
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I hear that they are in the process of adapting this to be a shoulder fire weapon. I assume that it will be a smaller caliber, and slightly slower rate of fire. But man, it would make an mod 800 rpm m16 look like a sling shot.
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13. June 2006 @ 10:32 |
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DAMN! The ideal weapon for home defense!
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13. June 2006 @ 10:33 |
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wow...
Arsenal! =D
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13. June 2006 @ 10:51 |
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Up until then I thought the "mini gun," or electric gattling gun was it. My most favorite though is the rail gun. Has anyone been following this for the last 20 or so years?
EDIT>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_gun
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13. June 2006 @ 11:27 |
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Yeah..the rail gun.. PTFE pellets fired by an electrostatic pulse. Part of the Star Wars project so loved by Reagan. I saw a film about UFO's taken from a space shuttle back 10-15 years ago which showed what was believed to be one of the supposedly non-existant weapons in use. Anyone else remember it? around the time of the fuss about "sidonia" on Mars.
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13. June 2006 @ 11:41 |
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Hi Jan! Long time no type. I called them roller skate wheels from hell. Some of the first projectiles were polyurethane cylinders with a copper base. The speed was a tad slower then. About 10000 ft per sec.
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31. July 2006 @ 04:57 |
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I thought I would rekindle this one for a bit. Friday evening, Philly had the dubious honor of being on ABC evening news as an example of gun violence. They showed a filmclip of the mayor who, the evening before, gave a primetime TV speech about the murder rate in general and hand gun murders in particular. ABC showed the mayor in suit and tie saying "To the youth of Philadelphia I say, you are the future of this city...Please, lay down your arms!" The gov has added state police to the Philly cops and there is the strong possibility of adding the national guard to help patrol the streets. Philly has had just under 1,000 attempted homicides in seven months and nearly three hundred murders most by handguns. Yes, I know, people kill guns don't but that, my friends, seems like mere sophistry sometimes as it offers no solution and doesn't take human nature into account. With the same reasoning, why don't we make pushing drugs legal...after all, it isn't pushing drugs nor the drugs themselves that kill but the self destructive act of sticking the needle in your arm. Drugs have a legit use; why not sell morphine at the corner store just as freely as the store across the street from my office sells assault weapons? As a chronic pain patient, I have to go through hell to buy my medication yet I could by a handgun in a moment and handguns have but one purose. So too, the "right to bear arms" pales in comparison to my right to walk the street without getting shot in the back for the $10.00 in my wallet. Do our british friends feel all that enslaved and restricted by their govenment's restrictions agains purchasing handguns?
Thought I'd start the day with a bang (yuk-yuk)!
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31. July 2006 @ 07:12 |
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British!? Heck just look a coupla hours to the north.
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Yes, I know, people kill guns don't but that...doesn't take human nature into account
Exactly. Suppose you have a bunch of of angry young men locked in a room. Do you give them each a baseball bat or not?
LoL, baseball bats don't kill - people kill, heheh...
The U.S. Constitution assumes each American is an upstanding citizen; intelligent, level-headed, even-tempered and patriotic, ready to defend the nation from invasion.
It seems that the 21st century threats are somewhat different (and difficult to forsee in 1789).
Makes me want to move to Philly right away! Good luck there Gerry1...
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31. July 2006 @ 07:28 |
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@the OGS....I though gun sales were high in Canada...perhaps they were speaking of Hunting Rifles? I was curious about that when I heard a canadian official refering to a problems with handguns coming from the US ...handguns are illegal in Canada but hunting rifles are o.k. is that the case? I guess that sense; one doesn't hunt with an AK-47 or use one for home defense.
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31. July 2006 @ 07:56 |
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Ironically, I own an AK-47 that I use for home defense. I have never fired the weapon, nor do I intend to... but it is considerably more of a deterrent then the snub .38 S&W in my wife's beaureu (which is the only pistol in the house). I would be glad to share a pic when I get home this evening.
I also own several vintage rifles, and a couple hunting rifles... but they are not for HD obviously.
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31. July 2006 @ 08:10 |
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Please do post a pic; there are a lot of guys here into firearms though I may not be one of them. Oh, we don't flame and argue; we've had some interesting discussions in this thread. Given the speech by Philly's mayor the other night, I thought I'd revive it.
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31. July 2006 @ 08:15 |
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Will do. I was surprized what a cheap looking POS it is. The stock looks like it was cut with a pocket knife, with no protective coating. I was told by a guy I work with who is heavily into firearms of this type, that it is an amazing example... he said they are rarely in as good condition right out of the box. The action is very loose, and the weapon very small (I will take a picture of it with some other guns for comparison... my old Remington Nylon .22 is bigger), even though it is a true 7.62 Nato weapon (some smaller 5.6 variants are made as well). It is Rumanian built, not Russian though whichsignificantly reduces it's value. The Russian is worth about twice as much.
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31. July 2006 @ 08:22 |
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@ sandt38
LoL :^) Perhaps that makes you sleep better! But I would sleep worse...
Yes in Canada handguns are illegal. Long-guns are registered (like cars).
But the whole Canadian/American border thing is very unfortunate, we used to go down to Buffalo all the time, but not anymore.
All these border-searches for guns are turning up pocket-knives and lots of weed etc. (but not too many guns). Anyway the border is a nightmare - stay away!
Canada and USA should put the big Security Fence around both nations, ~7 million square miles, from Atlantic to Pacific and Arctic Ocean to Caribbean Sea.
The USA has invited, but Canada will not participate...
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31. July 2006 @ 08:26 |
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Yeah, post 'em. I'm sure the guys will get into it.
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31. July 2006 @ 12:22 |
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Time to move to Phoenix Gerry :)
I honestly don't think drugs should be illegal - until Congress found a way around it with the tax stamp on marijuana our right to put whatever we want in our bodies was protected by the Constitution.
The thing we as a nation have done throughout our history is to deny human nature and avoid the hard problems by running to simplistic "solutions" that don't solve the real problem and in most cases make the situation worse by contintinuing to avoid developing a workable solution in hopes that our "feel good" fix will solve it. Worse yet, we do it even when we know it won't work.
Look at the staggering parallels between the 1919 Volstead Act and our present war on drugs. By 1933 we all saw how miserably the Volstead Act had failed and witnessed/suffered first hand the massive criminal opportunities it created yet we still cling to the hope that this war on drugs can be won. Are we too stupid or naive to see we'll never win that war?
Coincidentally most of the first gun restrictions this nation saw were a direct result of gangster related activities brought about by Prohibition. There are now literally thousands of gun laws on the books - possibly the most regulated item in the US.
Historically, banning objects just doesn't work. They banned alcohol and people still drank, they ban drugs and people still take drugs and if they ban handguns people will still kill people with handguns. Alcohol can be distilled in a backyard or smuggled in, meth can be made in a bathroom and coke can be smuggled in, guns can be made in any garage with a lathe and mill and they too can be smuggled in- the banning of all three punished those who abide the law and did nothing to slow down those who don't.
We also have a very odd logic to how we deal with things. Think about it,
Alcohol is for purely entertainment purposes. It has no medicinal value and is a factor in countless crimes. Thousands of people are mudered each year by drunk drivers.
Marijuana and opiates have a plethora of vital and very useful medicinal values and until Congress over stepped its bounds our access to them was protected by our Constitutional rights.
Firearms are used by citizens every day for personal protection and our right to them is guaranteed by the Constitution, put there by some of the most brilliant men to live.
It's odd the one with no redeeming value is also the easiest to get and lest regulated.
Drugs and people's desire to use them will never go away so I think they should be legalized, taxed and regulated like alcohol. The money made from that should be put into rehab for those who want to clean up. If we privatize the manufacture and selling of narcotics you leave a large criminal element looking for some other type of work and the government gets the joy of taxing us on something new. The drugs will be pure/consistent/safer and users don't take their life in their hands buying from shady dealers in scary neighborhoods.
I love the naysayers crying out that if we legalize drugs there'll be an epidemic of drug use - take a look around folks, we have an epidemic.
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31. July 2006 @ 12:46 |
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Well put Neph. I have shotguns, rifles and handguns. All given to me by my Dad. The only one I ever use is a 22 rifle I got as a teenager. A bolt action with a clip. I could hit anything with that beauty. I mainly used it for varmits. I still have and use it. Never could get into hunting, but love my fishing.
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31. July 2006 @ 13:19 |
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Yes well said Neph :^)
Of course, there are drugs and drugs - organic substances like weed won't kill you.
If a little weed was available, maybe so many folks wouldn't be injecting shit into their arms, y'know?
Hell, alcohol and heroin and nicotine are 3 of the most addictive drugs, LoL...
I bought a tub of Catnip for my Tabby. I see that it's two ounces.
Now, they can grow this Catnip in the USA, harvest it, package and label it, and ship it up to the store in Canada and sell it to me for $2.49 - so why is weed $10 bucks a gram!? Whatta world...
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31. July 2006 @ 14:47 |
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