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Neph's POLITE Gun Debate
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Auslander
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23. April 2007 @ 12:07 |
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you live in the ol' kingdom, Freund, not me. could always call up your local government or something. ^.~
if somehow you manage to acquire a legally-carried weapon, jack, i want you to wear a cowboy hat and boots whenever you strap it on. and talk with an texas accent. XD
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23. April 2007 @ 12:10 |
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I'll send you a picture the day that happens :P
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23. April 2007 @ 12:23 |
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No handguns in the UK for the general public. Only rifles & shotguns allowed. You can get a shotgun fairly easily, rifles are a different matter. To get your Firearms certificate (FAC) you have to jump through hoops, have a clean criminal & mental record. You have to justify each & every rifle you want (including moderator). You have to have land to shoot on. Similar rules with your shotgun, with the exception you can have as many shotguns as you like & can keep your cartridges wherever you wish (under your bed if you like!). I can only have one .22 semi-automatic, if I wish another I have to justify it. I can also have a .223 bolt action + moderator.
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23. April 2007 @ 12:24 |
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silencers are illegal here. :-(
we have to make our own...
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23. April 2007 @ 12:28 |
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I can imagine they're very crude silencers Aus?
Thanks for the info Pulsar.
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23. April 2007 @ 12:30 |
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Here is my baby,
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23. April 2007 @ 12:30 |
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fiberglass and steel wool, or plastic piping/aluminum sleeve and some ingenuity. they're just as effective, and look pretty decent if you've been making them for a while.
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23. April 2007 @ 12:32 |
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Here is an extract from a previous post of mine on the subject
"I live in the UK & the gun laws are incredibly tight. If you have a criminal record (violent crime etc) you have no chance of owning a gun. You need land to shoot on, have a good reason for owning a gun (main reason is vermin control for a rifle, clay pigeon & vermin control for a shotgun). You then have to apply for each calibre & type of weapon, i.e. bolt action or SLR. The forms to fill in are quite extensive, you need 2 referees to confirm who you are & your competency. If you have depression you cannot own a gun.
After all that you then have an interview with the local firearms officer. This is to get a general feel of you as a person & to see how much you know about firearms, ballistics, ricochet problems etc! He speaks to you for about an hour, he then lets you know if you are OK to own firearms."
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23. April 2007 @ 12:38 |
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Jeez, what a long process. Be easier to move to the US. LOL
Nice gun pulsar; is it a Heckler and Koch? I recognise the G model design, as I own a G36C in airsoft. Might be wrong, though.
@Aus: Oh right, cool :)
edit: scrap that pulsar, i did a google and it's a walther?
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23. April 2007 @ 12:38 |
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it's funny to me that silencers are legal there, where it's so hard to get a gun, while they're illegal here, where quite literally anyone can get a gun if they want.
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23. April 2007 @ 12:46 |
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Originally posted by Auslander:
*something* out of luck. ^.~
i'm a fair shot; won a few awards in the boy scouts and all. fairly confident i'll pick up my CCW without problems; gun safety and common sense ≠ rocket science
Getting a CCW permit is more about applying common sense than marksmanship. Knowing how to properly handle a gun and care for it holds precedent over marksmanship. The shooting segment of my test consisted of putting so many rounds into a combat silhouette target at close range. I'm no great shot, but was able to accomplish putting all rounds into the target at high speed by pointing the gun instead of taking careful aim. No extra points were given for hitting the kill zone.
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23. April 2007 @ 12:47 |
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Yep, a Walther G22, I love it to bits....
She is not too keen on supersonic rounds, only subsonic, she likes Winchester Super X
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23. April 2007 @ 12:49 |
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Getting a CCW permit is more about applying common sense than marksmanship. Knowing how to properly handle a gun and care for it holds precedent over marksmanship. The shooting segment of my test consisted of putting so many rounds into a combat silhouette target at close range. I'm no great shot, but was able to accomplish putting all rounds into the target at high speed by pointing the gun instead of taking careful aim. No extra points were given for hitting the kill zone.
thank you, pacman, for not really paying attention to all of my post. -_- did you miss the part about gun safety and common sense? i realize they apply and noted it.
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23. April 2007 @ 13:00 |
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Pulsar
Would they think a man nuts if his excuse for ownership was to look at the gun? LOL Some of us collect certain guns because they're limited issues and works of the gunmaker's art. I have one pistol that I may never fire. Another I own is becoming valuable to where I've limited how much I shoot it. A collector would be somewhat out of luck wouldn't he?
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23. April 2007 @ 13:02 |
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a collector wouldn't take his collection to mucky ol' england, anyway. all that rain and moisture..hello rust! :-P
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23. April 2007 @ 13:04 |
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Getting a CCW permit is more about applying common sense than marksmanship. Knowing how to properly handle a gun and care for it holds precedent over marksmanship. The shooting segment of my test consisted of putting so many rounds into a combat silhouette target at close range. I'm no great shot, but was able to accomplish putting all rounds into the target at high speed by pointing the gun instead of taking careful aim. No extra points were given for hitting the kill zone.
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thank you, pacman, for not really paying attention to all of my post. -_- did you miss the part about gun safety and common sense? i realize they apply and noted it.
I caught your drift and was agreeing with you. My emphasis was meant to be on having taken the test and considering the shooting test so easy a person could pass it if they could hit the side of a barn with a broom. I think the shooting qualification should be more difficult.
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23. April 2007 @ 13:06 |
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might be best if the person was a better shot, though. if they whip it out in self defense and can only hit the broad side of a barn, good chance they'll wing someone else. >.> exactly what was the minimum for aim when you went through? did anyone fail because they were such a poor shot?
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23. April 2007 @ 13:44 |
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No one failed. I don't know if it has something to do with local culture or what, but most people who carry a gun in this region are competent to good shots. I'm sure there are the exceptions, but they don't show themselves often. I said I didn't get extra points for hitting the kill zone. That didn't mean I didn't put most of them there. I've qualified as marksman with both rifles and handguns. I took a combat stance (sideways angle to the assailant) and sighted along the ramp instead of trying to look through the sights on each shot. That's how I was instructed for close range combat shooting. If an assailant is close as the target was placed, taking time to get into a target shooting stance and acquiring a selected kill shot would allow the assailant time to run up and stab you with a knife or hit you in the head with a bat or all of the above. I was showing I was able to get the weapon into action in a timely manner (not a requriement, one of the instructors was an old classmate). I fired faster than anyone else in the class and all rounds were in the silhouette (most in the chest area, kill zone). No one in the class missed their target. I'll put it this way, I wouldn't want to be in a gunfight against any of them.
It's been a few years, but I think minimum was hitting a man sized silhouette at 20 meters with 8 out of 12 rounds. As I said before I think the standard should be higher. As for competency there are 4 cardinal rules taught along with shooting skills.
1) When handling a firearm, always treat it as if it is loaded
2) Always point your firearm in a safe direction, unless defending yourself or others
3) Never place your finger inside of the trigger guard until on target and ready to shoot
4) Be sure of your target and what is beyond it
Number 4 covers shooting bystanders.
The instructor suggested students use a revolver for qualification because they're easier to open and clean. An auto was supposed to have the slide and barrel removed for cleaning. One student almost failed due to not being able to remove the slide. The instructor gave him an exemption when I pointed out that model (Colt Woodsman) required disassembling the grip and part of the frame to remove the slide. Here's the gun I qualified with. Note the sights aren't much more than looking along the slide (fixed low and quick acquisition).
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23. April 2007 @ 17:19 |
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what i said about baning guns i said scarcasticly. i was just quoting myself, making a point. im all for self defence an a gun is the most effective tool for doing just that.
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PacMan777
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23. April 2007 @ 23:36 |
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Originally posted by Spyder22:
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i think guns should be outlawed so olny the outlaws have em,.......and the cops that take an eternity to arrive on scene
this is the type of mentality that is going to allow our freedoms to be flushed down the can
I caught the sarcasm. The original phrases are: "When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns"; and "Where are the police when you need them"? The first is a self perpetuating truism and the question is an often asked one. The way you phrased them it sounds as though we should give up and allow the criminals to have the guns and resign ourselves to law enforcement always being too late. You commented on your altered quote(s). I caught your meaning, but it didn't clarify your words. Obviously your attempt at dry humor didn't reach everyone. When taken the way factions want to see things it could be used for either pro or anti gun arguments. As for the answer to the question, anyone living outside the station will receive aid too late if deadly force is being used and they can't defend themselves.
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24. April 2007 @ 04:31 |
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i got shot down, kinda......lol
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24. April 2007 @ 04:59 |
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They came a huntin for you with a howitzer. ;)
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24. April 2007 @ 09:16 |
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Since it was a blah Tuesday and I've been shopping for a replacement for the S&W wheelgun I let go, I decided to go ahead and make a purchase.
It's a Model 627 from the Smith and Wesson Performance Center. It comes with cocobolo grips and a rubber set, plus the moon clips. 5" barrel, gold dot front bead and adjustable rear sights; this is a good target gun as well as a self defense weapon.
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Does the Mark 1 have a red or black emblem?
Edited: typo on gun model #
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24. April 2007 @ 14:54 |
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I carry a
springfield Champion .45 for everyday use but just in case this is my backup, beautiful little American Derringer that shoots Colt .45 or .410 2 3/4 shotshell just in case......
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PacMan777
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24. April 2007 @ 16:21 |
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I guess guns are like everything else, everybody has their own opinions and favorites. If carrying a derringer I'd go for the 9mm or 45acp for compact size with a punch. If getting a gun as large as the long colt derringer, I'd as soon have a 380 Walther PPK or Airweight 38 Smith Chief.
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