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Neph's POLITE Gun Debate
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Auslander
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22. April 2007 @ 14:25 |
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my subie will go more quickly down the road, further off the road, and with less gas while lasting longer and hauling more gear less conspicuously. :-P
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PacMan777
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22. April 2007 @ 14:36 |
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There are laws against "flashing" a gun without legal justification. Assualt with a deadly weapon is a serious crime. People licensed to carry a concealed weapon aren't likely to go around "flashing". We know the consequences. I was taught from childhood not to draw a gun unless I intend to use it.
The right to bear firearms is a serious responsibility. Besides prosecution, I think it may be something of a deterrent to know when you start flashing a gun around, you could get shot.
There is a large portion of the local populace "packing. You rarely see a trace of the weapons and I've not heard of anyone shooting someone else in a years. That's small town America for you. I realize there are high crime areas, but that's often higher population areas where criminals like to congregate and the local government makes it more difficult to have a weapon for self protection.
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Auslander
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22. April 2007 @ 14:43 |
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i forget how the exact laws go, but it's something like you can display weapons on your person, as long as they are holstered, and you don't need a CCW to do it.
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PacMan777
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22. April 2007 @ 14:55 |
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There are serious restrictions. Among those is transporting a weapon in a vehicle. In most states it's illegal to have a loaded gun or a gun with ammo in close proximity. Many municipalities have ordinances against carrying an exposed weapon. My thoughts are if a person is going to carry a weapon, they should do it with a concealed carry permit so they won't be intimidating those around them.
Many states now honor the carry permits of other states. There's a database so licensees know where not to carry their weapons. It's best to have everyone on the same page when it comes to carrying guns.
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Auslander
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22. April 2007 @ 14:58 |
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transport the weapon in the trunk or it must be holstered around here, i think. but you can still wear it. i don't remember. all i care about is getting my permit and keeping an ankle holster on ^.^
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PacMan777
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22. April 2007 @ 15:14 |
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In most of the United States the gun or the ammo, or both have to be locked in the trunk. Most states agreeing to CCW permits allow weapons in a car, but the owner had best be very careful. If stopped for any reason by law enforcement, hands should be in clear sight and the first thing shown should be the permit. Cops don't like surprises when it comes to guns. Some towns forbid carrying guns and some try to go as far as saying legally licensed CCW owners have to have a local permit as well. Sort of hard to do if a person is passing through. That's why I mentioned the CCW database. CCW permit or not, it's still illegal to carry guns into government buildings and schools. It's illegal to carry weapons into a bar. Many businesses legally post against firearms and the law requires the request be obeyed.
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Auslander
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22. April 2007 @ 15:18 |
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all laws that should be eliminated, IMHO. ^.^
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PacMan777
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22. April 2007 @ 15:28 |
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Opinions vary within the gun carrying community. Most of us have our complaints. There needs to be some controls.
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Auslander
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22. April 2007 @ 15:30 |
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bah. no harm can come from people shooting other people. especially if we got china to do the same.
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PacMan777
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22. April 2007 @ 15:32 |
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Such light comments are what the anti gun movement feeds on.
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Auslander
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22. April 2007 @ 15:35 |
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nothing i say on this forum really makes any difference to the situation, though. my feelings are that anyone who's actually dumb enough to fear guns and not the people using them should win some darwin awards.
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PacMan777
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22. April 2007 @ 15:47 |
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I agree with you wholeheartedly on that. But part of the anti gun activity is searching for every last example they can find of irresponsible gun owners. Never believe they don't troll for off hand remarks on the internet to help support their point of view. When I'm setting at the pub and having a few brews with my mates, I joke about the tree huggers and wimps afraid of loud noises. However, in the public domain I try to give anti gunners as little to use against gunowners as possible.
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Auslander
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22. April 2007 @ 15:49 |
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nothin' wrong with treehuggers like myself. global warming is real and not good ^.^ it's only the extremists that get annoying, but that's true with any political stance or belief system or anything else.
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PacMan777
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22. April 2007 @ 16:05 |
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The extremists are the ones who usually catch the brunt of the humor. I believe in conservation myself. I reserve "treehugger" for the radicals. To go OT a bit, I don't doubt there is gradual global warming. The growth in human population and deforestation is playing a large hand in our climatic changes as well as burning fossil fuels. When people wise up and look at the over all picture instead of trying to play according to a limited agenda, a better view of reality is possible. The planet could do with more plants, fewer herd animals (including man), and fewer machines of all sorts. And I don't mean go shooting people either. Instead of 0 population we need negative population growth so the population gets smaller instead of increasingly larger. That steps on more toes than gun control. LOL
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Auslander
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22. April 2007 @ 16:13 |
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steps on lots of religious figures that don't believe in contraception. i really don't understand why people are still breeding so much. >.<
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PacMan777
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22. April 2007 @ 16:24 |
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Isn't it amazing? Condoms are more dangerous to the population than guns. LOL
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Auslander
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22. April 2007 @ 16:26 |
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i'm up for chemical castration for 9 out of 10 people. random lottery ftw! hmm...no...wait, let's try for people that are too dumb to breed. evolution is slowing down. >.<
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22. April 2007 @ 18:12 |
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edited don't get shot, but the people that don't need to be shot (John Lennon, Martin Luther King, Tupac XD, JFK, Lincoln) Do get shot... Does that mean that the assasins are fanatically loyal or insane?
And to control population you could just have the one child policy. But I wouldn't have been born if that was enacted before my birth :P
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Auslander
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22. April 2007 @ 18:53 |
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who says who needs to be shot and who doesn't? balance is the key to the universe.
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PacMan777
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22. April 2007 @ 19:24 |
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Originally posted by NicHt:
edited don't get shot, but the people that don't need to be shot (John Lennon, Martin Luther King, Tupac XD, JFK, Lincoln) Do get shot... Does that mean that the assasins are fanatically loyal or insane?
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That's where comments start getting irresponsible and the conversation is no longer being polite. No one deserves to be assassinated or murdered.
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Auslander
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22. April 2007 @ 19:27 |
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can't say that, pacman. otherwise, we wouldn't have the death penalty. killing is killing, sometime's it's justified.
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PacMan777
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22. April 2007 @ 19:32 |
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I believe you see the difference between the legal system making a judgment and individuals making them on their own.
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Auslander
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22. April 2007 @ 19:39 |
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i do, but i also believe that assassination, murder, and execution all amount to the same ends and are therefore equal. some are justified, some aren't, but they are all killings and ruling out one entirely rules out the other, in my opinion.
one man's murderous guerrilla usurper is another's revolutionary christ-figure. one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. no values or morals are universal, so universal actions can't not be ruled on universally.
universal is a fun word to type.
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22. April 2007 @ 20:43 |
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I agree very much with auslanders last post, mainly cause its kinda true, as far as the other kids post, statement about Bushies assasination, be a little carefull cause statements like that can be touchy with some people even though I agree with him or her.
What I think would have been a better statement is, if somebody had the balls, give him a trial, find him guilty which should be easy, give him the death penalty, bring the Guillotine back, than off with his head.
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22. April 2007 @ 20:43 |
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Quote:
If given a gun, will the citizen be emboldened to become a common thug? Or misuse the gun? Methinks so
Anyone inclined to be a thug will have already made the choice to be one and acquired a hot gun long before being given one :)
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