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18. April 2007 @ 09:53 |
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Originally posted by aabbccdd:
what gets me is people like Rosie O' Donald yelling about gun control when her body guards are packing heat its insane.
and do you think the Rosie o' Donald's of the world and the far left care about your personal safety NO they don't they just want to push there agenda
wasn't she fired over that racist "yellow" rant?
oh wait...shes not a HE.....yet.....
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18. April 2007 @ 10:03 |
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Rosie could be a He today and She tomorrow, s-he's almost that bipolar. I bet s-he's had lots of fun on her upside down swing. When is The Donald just going to make her disappear.LMAO.
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18. April 2007 @ 10:21 |
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I think he keeps her around so he'll look better by comparison. ;)
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18. April 2007 @ 14:40 |
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You know PacMan that's probably true.
Back on topic. I plan to get my grandPa's colt 38, vintage 1920s, out and have it checked and put into service. I no longer feel safe with just a 22 pistol and various rifles and shotguns.
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18. April 2007 @ 14:47 |
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Good choice! It's a shame so many folks are all hot on autos and ignore the tried and true revolver. I've a 4" Stainless Ruger GP-100 in .357 and it's one of my absolute faves to take out and shoot. The nice thing about revolvers is I can load up some full-house Magnum boomers and shoot those till the concussion and blast gets old then shove in some little .38 Special powder-puff loads and plink away like it was a .22. Autos can't do that!
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18. April 2007 @ 15:11 |
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aabbccdd, I saw your last post and it said suspended, I bust out laughing, my wife said whats so funny, I said you wouldnt understand, but a buddy of mine got suspended AGAIN, she said what did he do kill somebody lol, said no there are rules on these places you have to follow, he probably told somebody where to get off at.
She said you guys on these computer thingies as she calls it are worse than a bunch of old ladies blah blah blah, whatever lol, anyway, I feel for you old sport, like getting flagged from our favorite bar, been there done that, will wait till may 18th so I can see welcome back buddy.
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18. April 2007 @ 15:14 |
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Mmm I need to make a BB/Archery thread no one wants to help me find a nice BB rifle :X
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18. April 2007 @ 16:26 |
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Originally posted by garmoon:
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From what I've heard, he had purchased the guns legally. He had a green card. VA laws on guns are very relaxed. Maybe we need a federal law that says you need to be citizen and read English to buy a gun.
It's the Federal law that allows this; it's not a VA thing. And he was an English major!
I just heard him on TV (thanks to the media, now another nut who killed a bunch of people has been given a free, worldwide platform to air his grudges!) and he speaks quite clearly. I suspect that not allowing a naturalized citizen to enjoy his or her Second Amendment rights would run into the same sets of discrimination law that denying them other rights would suffer.
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18. April 2007 @ 16:34 |
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and do you think the Rosie o' Donald's of the world and the far left care about your personal safety NO they don't they just want to push there agenda
Exactly. Rosie should be in jail. I have as little respect for her First Amendment rights as she does for my Second.
Originally posted by ireland:
Opinion polls consistently show that a majority of Americans would support stricter controls ? a Gallup poll last year found 56 per cent in favour ? and the proportion is likely to increase following this week?s tragedy.
One thing that's irritating, but shows to what extent gun control advocates (the press) twist statistics and numbers is that one. Following Columbine, some pollsters tried breaking down the "public support for gun control" and found that a majority actually favored stricter enforcement of existing laws, not new gun control laws.
Originally posted by Nephilim:
Good choice! It's a shame so many folks are all hot on autos and ignore the tried and true revolver. I've a 4" Stainless Ruger GP-100 in .357 and it's one of my absolute faves to take out
Yep, that's a sweet one! And don't forget there's 38 +Ps if you want something in the middle power range.
-Do you believe you own your computer and shouldn't be told what you can run and do? Then say *NO* to Microsoft Vista!
-Since half the questions here involve media problems, here ya go: Only use Verbatim or Taiyo-Yuden discs (get your TYs from Rima.com, not Supermediastore or meritline). Forget the rest, no matter what "brand" they sell under. Always burn at 4x speed regardless of the speed rating of this discs or your drive. If you have burn problems with these then you have to update your drive's firmware. For double-layer discs, only use Verbatim DVD+R DL and burn them at 2.4x speed.
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18. April 2007 @ 16:37 |
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Originally posted by garmoon:
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From what I've heard, he had purchased the guns legally. He had a green card. VA laws on guns are very relaxed. Maybe we need a federal law that says you need to be citizen and read English to buy a gun.
It's the Federal law that allows this; it's not a VA thing. And he was an English major!
I just heard him on TV (thanks to the media, now another nut who killed a bunch of people has been given a free, worldwide platform to air his grudges!) and he speaks quite clearly. I suspect that not allowing a naturalized citizen to enjoy his or her Second Amendment rights would run into the same sets of discrimination law that denying them other rights would suffer.
Lets see so far he was a english major who wrote messed up stories and stalked women and was a basketball fan so far no word on any video games, all in all he was a nut that managed to get guns,if the system was "complete" his metal record would have shown up when he applied for a gun the system is what needs to be fixed not banning guns thats just scapegoating and overlooking the whole issue.
BTW a good gun discussion staring everyones fav english destroyer zippy has poped up on gamepolitics.com
http://www.gamepoliticsforums.com/showth...ted=1#post33704
take a looky its rather fun to debate it in a friendly environment altho both sides need to debate better :X
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18. April 2007 @ 16:41 |
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[quote] and do you think the Rosie o' Donald's of the world and the far left care about your personal safety NO they don't they just want to push there agenda
Exactly. Rosie should be in jail. I have as little respect for her First Amendment rights as she does for my Second.
Originally posted by ireland:
Opinion polls consistently show that a majority of Americans would support stricter controls ? a Gallup poll last year found 56 per cent in favour ? and the proportion is likely to increase following this week?s tragedy.
One thing that's irritating, but shows to what extent gun control advocates (the press) twist statistics and numbers is that one. Following Columbine, some pollsters tried breaking down the "public support for gun control" and found that a majority actually favored stricter enforcement of existing laws, not new gun control laws.
Originally posted by Nephilim:
Good choice! It's a shame so many folks are all hot on autos and ignore the tried and true revolver. I've a 4" Stainless Ruger GP-100 in .357 and it's one of my absolute faves to take out
Yep, that's a sweet one! And don't forget there's 38 +Ps if you want something in the middle power range.[/quote]
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turely the system needs polish not more crap tossed onto it to make it less effective, make the laws we have work better and have the agencies that work together to review and approve a persons right to carry (mental health,FBI,state records,ect,ect) refine the system so one can get his gun after a couple days and a small fee for a permit
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18. April 2007 @ 17:59 |
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Mental health records are generally barred from being used in background checks. Ironically, the NRA has been fighting for mental records being incorporated in the National Instant Check, but groups like the American Psychological Association and some privacy-rights groups have opposed such measures. One of the arguments used by those groups is that, in the face of such restrictions, that people might not seek mental help, rather than be "blacklisted". One argument the NRA uses is that if at least an involuntary commitment to a mental health facility was checked on the background check, it is no different than an involuntary sentence to prison, and it doesn't punish people who voluntarily seek help. It's kind of a tough situation because both sides have some good points.
Apparently, the guy in the VT shootings WAS committed for some type of psychiatric evaluation, so such a restriction might have prevented him from buying a gun legally.
Of course, nothing could have prevented him from driving on over to the bad side of town and buying a gun on the black market.
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18. April 2007 @ 21:07 |
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Hello all,
Terrible thing, this recent tragedy in Virginia.
The loser dickhead Cho (or whatever his name) was certified a nut-job by a judge in 2005, yet he could still stroll into a gun shop and purchase a handgun quickly and easily, no problem...? That's just not right.
If Americans intend to keep their hard-earned right to bear arms, the current system of checks & balances at very least needs to be re-examined.
Someone said that mental illness is not considered a factor because psychotic types would then shy away from treatment rather than risk losing their beloved weapons...! LoL, that's rich - thanks I needed a laugh.
But the humour faded quickly and a very complex dilemma remains...
dilemma (n) Situation requiring a choice between two evils.
Choose carefully! This guy and others like him (as yet unrevealed) are a bona fide threat to American rights. The situation is somewhat grim.
Hey wouldn't ya like to just have a Time Machine, and go down there and beat the guy to death with your bare hands? I sure would (and typically I am non-violent).
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18. April 2007 @ 22:02 |
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Originally posted by Nephilim:
Good choice! It's a shame so many folks are all hot on autos and ignore the tried and true revolver. I've a 4" Stainless Ruger GP-100 in .357 and it's one of my absolute faves to take out and shoot. The nice thing about revolvers is I can load up some full-house Magnum boomers and shoot those till the concussion and blast gets old then shove in some little .38 Special powder-puff loads and plink away like it was a .22. Autos can't do that!
Nephilim
I'm guilty. I'm an auto fan. I don't have a big magnum auto to match the versatility of your .357, but I have a few autos to make up for it. Here's a few guns from my collection. These aren't the actual guns, mine look as good or better though and my Billenium still has the tags on it. No one will accidentally misfire one either. No problems with the children accidentally shooting something they shouldn't. Did I mention one or two of these are valuable. I keep them locked in a large gun safe along with my shotguns and rifles.
Beretta Billenium - 2000 produced, and only 1000 limited editions arrived in the U.S. One of the best and most accurate 9MM Berettas manufactured + it really is a work of art. I have other guns to shoot, this one is to look at. LOL
Here's my CCW. HK USP .40S&W
Here's the 9mm I shoot. Smith & Wesson mod. 659 - high capacity 9mm
Here's one of my plinking pistols. Smith and Wesson 41 22LR You don't see very many of these.
My paper ripping toy is a Custom Ruger 22 by Volquartsen. The name says it all. This is one of the most accurate pistols I've ever fired. With the big target grips and long bull barrel, it's too big for a holster, so I carry it in a padded hard case.
By the way Nephilim, don't get me wrong. I like revolvers. I let an acquaintance talk me out of a nice S&W 357. I'm thinking about having a dealer order a Model 627 custom from the S&W Performance Center to replace it.
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18. April 2007 @ 22:58 |
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Originally posted by pacman77:
Here's one of my plinking pistols. Smith and Wesson 41 22LR You don't see very many of these.
Been wanting one of those. I can't believe S&W would stop making such a fine target pistol. I saw one at a gun show for about $750 recently and I kind of wish I had grabbed it, though I'm saving up for a Rock River AR.
-Do you believe you own your computer and shouldn't be told what you can run and do? Then say *NO* to Microsoft Vista!
-Since half the questions here involve media problems, here ya go: Only use Verbatim or Taiyo-Yuden discs (get your TYs from Rima.com, not Supermediastore or meritline). Forget the rest, no matter what "brand" they sell under. Always burn at 4x speed regardless of the speed rating of this discs or your drive. If you have burn problems with these then you have to update your drive's firmware. For double-layer discs, only use Verbatim DVD+R DL and burn them at 2.4x speed.
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18. April 2007 @ 23:29 |
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Originally posted by pacman77:
Here's one of my plinking pistols. Smith and Wesson 41 22LR You don't see very many of these.
Been wanting one of those. I can't believe S&W would stop making such a fine target pistol. I saw one at a gun show for about $750 recently and I kind of wish I had grabbed it, though I'm saving up for a Rock River AR.
I don't believe Smith quit making it, unless it's something recent. It's still listed on the S&W website. $750 was a good price if the 41 was in decent condition. Sit down and click S&W Model 41 for a heavy dose of sticker shock. One of my college classmates owned a gunshop and picked one up for me. He also handled the deal on the Billie for me. I wish he still had the shop open so I could get the Model 627 at a discount.
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19. April 2007 @ 01:38 |
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Well, NBC is taking their chance to promote the anti-gun movement using the VA Tech incident. They're really being melodramatic. One commentator goes over the outfit Cho is wearing, ammo vest, black shirt. He was saying Cho was wearing a black headband significant to committing suicide. It looked like a black baseball cap to me. I've got a black cap I can put on backwards to look like that at any time, and you see people with caps on like that day in and day out. But the commentator got a lot of mileage out of the suicide band (cap). Black is a common color chosen by police swat teams and even rent-a-cop security. Speaking of duds, If Cho was being color coordinated, he forgot the vest. He chose a pleasin khaki over the evil black. How bout them pants? Like I said, melodramatic media.
NBC did finally call the murder what he was. A cold blooded, criminally psychopathic, narcissistic mass murderer. He'd planned for over a month to commit the slaughter, proven by how he waited out the gun sales and prep of his manifesto. NBC openly blamed automatic pistols for being the cause of the high death toll. If unable to get firearms, what would have prevented the manufacture of a bomb.
What's frightening is that the school and law enforcement knew Cho was a ticking bomb waiting to explode. As shown, there were all kinds of red flags. Cho should have been in jail or an institution of some sort. He'd been stalking students and displaying all kinds of belligerent behavior. He had no regard for human life other than his own and in the end little for that. The sad thing is that this sick animal was allowed to prowl a college campus unimpeded with the administration and law enforcement aware of the escalating danger. Now that this has come to light, heads should roll over such negligence.
But instead of a story about a narcissistic mass murderer and a school administration that endangered the lives of everyone on campus by their inaction and inept action, we have a story about a gunman. I'll bet the VA Tech Administration and police would dearly love to see the spin be put on gun control as the fault so they will get less scrutiny. Will some people ever wake up?
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19. April 2007 @ 11:37 |
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Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
Mmm I need to make a BB/Archery thread no one wants to help me find a nice BB rifle :X
I have a very nice Benjamin Franklin BB/Pellet rifle for sale. It is an antique pump rifle
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19. April 2007 @ 14:02 |
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Mmm I need to make a BB/Archery thread no one wants to help me find a nice BB rifle :X
I have a very nice Benjamin Franklin BB/Pellet rifle for sale. It is an antique pump rifle
so like what that makes a old 90$ BB rifle 200? :X
I have seen some insane price ranges from 50 to 350 so I is confused X_X
also has the pump BB pistol progressed any over the years? :X
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19. April 2007 @ 14:10 |
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[quote]Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
Mmm I need to make a BB/Archery thread no one wants to help me find a nice BB rifle :X
I have a very nice Benjamin Franklin BB/Pellet rifle for sale. It is an antique pump rifle
so like what that makes a old 90$ BB rifle 200? :X
I have seen some insane price ranges from 50 to 350 so I is confused X_X
also has the pump BB pistol progressed any over the years? :X[/quote]
I also as well am confused...havn't been able to find price anywhere, 350 sounds good to me,also
I have an old Crossman American Classic pump BB/Pellet pistol that I have rebuilt. It is almost as powerful as a .22 short......once again 350 sounds good to me
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19. April 2007 @ 14:17 |
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[quote][quote]Originally posted by ZIppyDSM:
Mmm I need to make a BB/Archery thread no one wants to help me find a nice BB rifle :X
I have a very nice Benjamin Franklin BB/Pellet rifle for sale. It is an antique pump rifle
so like what that makes a old 90$ BB rifle 200? :X
I have seen some insane price ranges from 50 to 350 so I is confused X_X
also has the pump BB pistol progressed any over the years? :X[/quote]
I also as well am confused...havn't been able to find price anywhere, 350 sounds good to me,also
I have an old Crossman American Classic pump BB/Pellet pistol that I have rebuilt. It is almost as powerful as a .22 short......once again 350 sounds good to me[/quote]
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seems a bit much when most daisy rifles at 50-99 OC rifles function as well or better
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19. April 2007 @ 14:38 |
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Oh well, ZIppyDSM. Seems that you know more than you let on, more than I knew anywho, thanks for the help. Maybe now I can find out what my Benjamin is worth, in nearly new condition!
By the way, I was not trying to rip you off I was trying to be sarcastic!
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19. April 2007 @ 14:44 |
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I know a little but losing it daily :X
I don't have enough moeny to be "riped off" :P
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19. April 2007 @ 14:53 |
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19. April 2007 @ 18:02 |
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Never could get the parents to spring for the real Mccoy-A Benjamin Pump. How sweet were those? Had the heft of a real rifle and could do some damage. I sufferred thru many bad daisy BB guns, they could hardly break the skin. How embarrassing! I still have 2 eyes. LMAO.
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