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PS3 vs Xbox 360
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spiderky
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2. February 2006 @ 22:41 |
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The soon to be age old question. Microsoft or Sony. The 360 has a clear advantage first off, it has been released. You can't buy/sell something that hasn't been released. On the other hand some may argue that the 360 was rushed. There has been documented cases of "kinks" to be ironed out. The first gen. 360's big problem was overheating. My friend works at Future Shop (Best Buy) and said their demo unit was so overheated that it had actually melted disks, and that's a reliable source, granted those aren't average set-up conditions. Personally I have a 360 on order but am second guessing myself with all the short commings, rumored or otherwise; but new products always have problems, and I never intended to buy first generation. PS3 is yet to be released but it is said to have the hardware to kick the 360 to the gutter, but their software is rumored to be sub-standard, and what's a ferrari at the hands of someone who can't drive. The bluray technology could have a huge advantage with the ability to increase game size exponentially. Some people say that since it's a brand new technology it too will have its own kinks but bluray isn't that different from normal DVD. Bluray writes on essentially the same media, but it has a blue laser (different wave length), which can be focused tighter to pack more info into the same space. So there's not as much that could go wrong as many people think. Also, the winner hasn't been declaired in the battle between HD DVD and Bluray. Microsoft has said they will come out with an external HD DVD drive for the 360 in 2006, and rumors of a Bluray drive are milling around too. In the end each system has their pro's and con's and it really does come down to preference. Honestly I don't care about graphics so much as good game play, because who cares how the definition looks on the fabricated alien character if you get bored with the game in a week. For me the scale is tipped by the promise of Halo 3, the completion to the world's greatest entertainment trilogy. Now go forth and pick which ever system you will, or you can go back to your classic Atari, because I don't really give a rip. Whatever floats your boat.
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2. February 2006 @ 23:23 |
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greatest? i agree with most of what you say but to me halo was by far not the greatest series to graze my mind.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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fazyninja
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3. February 2006 @ 01:21 |
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you say that ps3 has the tech to take down xbox 360, on paper i would agree but after seeing soo many of these kinds of links i do not know:
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/games/news/2005/10/21/ps3vsxbox360doomcr...
on the second link basically this game developer for one of the ps3 launch titles came out and said that the games he was seeing were no way as good as gears of war even the one he was working on, he went on to say that he new people making games for xbox 360 and they were saying it was very easy and that the games are coming along very good. this link has now been taken off the internet and this man was fired by sony a couple of days ago.
http://www.gamers.com/index.html?run=news&news_id=5461
anubis how can you say "everything you said is wrong, everything you are is wrong." you are seriously starting to take this xbox vs sony thing way too far.
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lxhotboy
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3. February 2006 @ 04:49 |
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Microsoft want to own the OS business and it just so happen that to own those business you must do it through the video game market in order to catch the next gen of people.
Microsoft already owns the OS business. The gov declared them a monopoly at one time and penalized them for being a monopoly.
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KoOkOo67
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3. February 2006 @ 07:45 |
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The 360 has a clear advantage first off, it has been released
No man, its not selling. It hasnt been selling for months. It's doing worse than the xbox. It is'nt re-released till late spring. This came out of Bill Gates mouth at CES. This is a disadvantage Microsoft has. Dreamcast was launched first, did it have the advantage? Nope. SNES released first, advantage ? no, genesis killed it, but it still did good.
Please this is'nt an advantage.
Sorry bout picking on you like this. That statement bugs me a bit. ^^
An advantage that 360 has,
* is features. (my oppinion)
* General performance
* Nice graphics
Advantages for ps3
* 7sub ports(7controllers) (linux)
* floating point performance
* Nice graphics.
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JuBei87
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3. February 2006 @ 12:16 |
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yeah first launch isnt relli the advantage, disadvantage if anything, the other companies can try n better the all ready released console if they want, by beating it on hardware n stuff, but is the ps3/360 deal that situation?
i personally think m$ would of had way more sales if they actually manufactured the goods on time.. but then still, you've got 'on the fence gamers' who r waiting for ps3 to be released nad rev in some cases to decide which to buy by how it performs physically not on paper..
and kookoo, iagree wiv the advantage/disadvantage thing.. tho it could change once ps3's finalised and released would you agree?
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spiderky
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3. February 2006 @ 22:54 |
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I was talking about right now. PS3 can't have an advantage right now if it isn't really here. Obviously they can, and should, feed off the 360 to better their own system. And the 360 isn't selling because there's no supply, not because there's no demand. While it seems Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot, they also want to try to have a big release at the same time PS3 is released so they can battle it. Which is why Halo 3 is scheduled for this spring. They don't want Sony to have all the action. But Rumors have it that the PS3 isn't looking good to make it's spring 2006 deadline, more likely fall; and I think a lot of gamers don't want to wait that long, and may opt for the 360 instead (die-hard sony fans not included).
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CrisKahn2
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3. February 2006 @ 23:06 |
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Its pretty obvios whos gonna get a 360 and whos gonna get a PS3. Ppl who only owns an x box are most likely gonna get a 360. Ppl who own only PS2 are gonna get a Ps3. And ppl who owns both Ps2 and x box are gonna get both next gen consoles. So nothing is gonna change. The sales of next gen consoles is already pre determined.
Release dates is not gonna effect sales at all. Even if Halo 3 comes out the same day as the PS3, its not gonna make PS3 sales drop. People are not gonna decide to just not buy the PS3 , which they have been waiting for forever, just cuz halo 3 is out. People who wants a PS3 will get a PS3 and 360 owners will get Halo3... simple as that. Both will be sold out in like 3 seconds.
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JuBei87
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4. February 2006 @ 02:07 |
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yeah.. speaking of halo3 i read on a site (bingie or gamespot cant remem sorri.. ^_^) tht they're not going for a ps3 counter-sale to sell halo3.. it'll b ready when its ready..
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KoOkOo67
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4. February 2006 @ 07:40 |
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PS3 can't have an advantage right now if it isn't really here
PS3 has advantages technically....even though it has'nt been released.
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4. February 2006 @ 09:51 |
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Ok people we all know ps3 will OWN xbox 360. Since microsoft likes to be so greedy and release their shit first. Sony does not have to rush ANYTHING. Why do you think they didn't say anything about the ps3 at CES??? To tell you the truth I wouldn't be surprised if sony doesn't release the ps3 till next year. But I doubt they would wait that long but who knows. Now that microsoft has released their system, thats given sony the edge on making their's a hell of a lot better. They know everything about the 360 now, and there making their's better in every area possible. Theres no need at ALL for them to rush their system, and when they do release it sony will crush xbox 360 badly and you can quote me on that
ps3 with 20gb hard drive
xbox 360 premium edtion with vga/hd hook up to my dell 20.1 inch widescreen lcd.
White and black 1.5 psp's
I'll take this down WHEN micro$oft decides to stop being lazy and make the capcom fighting games backwards compatible with the 360 dammit!!!
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JuBei87
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4. February 2006 @ 12:24 |
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well yeah i'd love to agree wiv ya, but i jus dont really wanna say nefing tht could be wrong in the long run.. logically speaking, ps3 should crush 360 yes (due to extra time etc etc) but, it could becus developing the machine wiv blu ray, n the cores or woteva..
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2IIPack
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4. February 2006 @ 14:11 |
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I definitly agree with bluejet.
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HipN
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4. February 2006 @ 14:15 |
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One question: Will the 360 have problems fitting a game onto ONE disc? Because I kind of want one, but probably end up buying on in a couple of months when it gets cheaper and when the system fixes all teh bugs.
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lxhotboy
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4. February 2006 @ 15:21 |
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I pulled this from a site here online. There is no way we will know if this is true though. Will just have to wait and see.
http://pspupdates.qj.net/
Jak_The_Man, An active member from US PlayStation forums, has posted a short article after reading the latest PlayStation Magazine. The information contained is very interesting...
PS3 will have online service that goes beyond Xbox live
PS3 will be a DVR (Digital Video Recorder)
It will be able to connect with the PSP
There are a lot of games being worked on for it right now in the US (a lot more then what people know about)
The final PS3 dev kit is a lot faster than they thought (according to the developer)
The PS3 will have an iTunes type service to let you download Hi-Def movies, music, etc
The PS3 will take the media center functionality the 360 has even further
PS3 will serve as a location free player for the PSP, means you can watch the DVD?s that you have in your PS3 on your PSP (from anywhere in the world), or any other video files you have on your ps3, though this is still only being planned.
PS3 will be able to send its files straight to the PSP from anywhere in the world, and it can also control its DVR functionalities
Firmware updates will add more functionality, much like with the PSP
The Blu-ray Player functionality doesn't cost as much as a stand alone player because the Cell and RSX can take care of a lot of the stuff the PS3 will need to do to be able to read the disks
Fall release date for PS3, no release date for online service, but expected to launch with the system
All these new features makes a PSP worth buying? together with a PS3. ;-)
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rabbity
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4. February 2006 @ 18:20 |
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5. February 2006 @ 13:33 |
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Where is everybody getting there info on how good the games are for ps3 as far as I know there is no games released , Oh ,there also isn't a system released yet. So who decided how great the Ps3 is when there is no system to compare to the Xbox 360, which there is a system to play . Before you put Ps3 on a throne wait until there is a system to play and games to see how good game play is. You have already put them as winner which you can't at this point in time because there is no system to compare. Lets wait and see what the Ps3 can do because you don't know and you are giving opinion and not fact.
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5. February 2006 @ 17:38 |
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Well sony being sony theres nothing to worry about
ps3 with 20gb hard drive
xbox 360 premium edtion with vga/hd hook up to my dell 20.1 inch widescreen lcd.
White and black 1.5 psp's
I'll take this down WHEN micro$oft decides to stop being lazy and make the capcom fighting games backwards compatible with the 360 dammit!!!
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5. February 2006 @ 18:04 |
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yeah but you know, uhall.. you cant have people saying the 360 owns all cuz it is out already. you have nothing to compare it to. i find nothing great of the 360 so far. they have nothing nothing to throw me to there side. i am undecided since there is a dissapointing xbox360 and a supposedly godly system on the way. i will, aswell as everyone will, find out about the ps3 and make the right choice if any.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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5. February 2006 @ 19:02 |
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ps3 with 20gb hard drive
xbox 360 premium edtion with vga/hd hook up to my dell 20.1 inch widescreen lcd.
White and black 1.5 psp's
I'll take this down WHEN micro$oft decides to stop being lazy and make the capcom fighting games backwards compatible with the 360 dammit!!!
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5. February 2006 @ 19:34 |
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sony knows if they dont release alot of consoles at start it will be sad. ive you get about 1000000 consoles in a month or two, if they wait till summer when kids are bored and getting jobs and people have more money and spare time, the extra consoles will keep it from being sold out and having people buy the other console.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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zelda64
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5. February 2006 @ 22:03 |
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Very True Uhall. PS3 isnt out yet. All we have is this mysterious thing in the shadows that is being hyped to be the best thing ever. The PS3 sounds good on paper and through the mouths of the Sony company but I fell for that twice with the PS and PS2. Both consoles where brilliant but didnt live up to what was said about them.
We have to wait and see on the PS3. I think what Uhall was trying to say is stop putting down the 360 saying PS3 will be the ultimate when it isnt even out yet.
If you 360 is really that bad then why are Sony now copying a few things off Microsoft like Hard drive, xbox live, making developers lives easier with programing softerware as well as a few otherthings.
The 360 is a good console and I believe the PS3 will be aswell but please stop suggesting the PS3 as some kind of God machine unitil its made and we have it in front of us.
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KoOkOo67
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6. February 2006 @ 02:38 |
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erm..
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If you 360 is really that bad then why are Sony now copying a few things off Microsoft like Hard drive
PS2 origianally came out with the hard drive sold sepretly. Ps2 came first, ps2 therefor had the hardrive first.
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easier with programing softerware as well as a few otherthings.
What? Every consol developer makes every next gen consol easier to program.
ps2 easier to prograam than ps, ps3 easier than ps2.
Soo...saywhat?
wb zelda =P
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TruthMan
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6. February 2006 @ 06:40 |
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kookoo trying to synthesise threads to be synced with all 7 of the SPE's for games will be much harder than doing it for games for the xbox 360's 3 cores. (speaking in mind for when games are multi-threaded).
why do people think that it will be easier. apsolutely no chance.
i study A-LEVEL computing, where we learn some basic programming as well as other things. but from that it makes you understand how hard it is for programmers and designers to write/make the code for even the most basic systems. never mind the complexity behind the PS3's *cell* and trying to code for it.
the basic fetch/decode/execute thing is vastly expanded (sub levels wise, but overall still just fetch/decode/execute).
taking into account what branch predicting system the PS3's cell may have, which we dont know. it may not have a 4 stage 'global' branch prediction, it may be 3 (though it probably will be 4), it may not have a local one either (which for PC only athalon 64's and pentium M's have, to further increase efficieny). but all processors at least have a global prediction system.
branch prediction affects efficiency a lot as well.
depending on how many pipeline stages the cell has, if its branch prediction isnt complex, or very well designed, then everytime it misinterprets a branch, it loses clocks equal to number of pipelines minus 1.
e.g, if this happens in a 31 stage pipelined processor (aka, presscott P4 core), then 30 clock cycles would be wasted. this does happen now and again. so sometimes P4 prescotts provide similar performance to a 2.1 GHZ processor (quite rate though).
and believe it or not this is still the basic things for complex expert micro-chip programmers.
plus the less pileline stages a processor has the more work per clock is done. (e.g. a 2.4 GHZ AMD 3800+, can outperform a P4 3.6 GHZ) but longer pipelines means you can reach higher clockspeeds, at the cost of efficiency, but longer stages helps highly predictable tasks such as video encoding, thats why P4's score to much higher than athalon 64's in that area. bute clockspeed wins that one, but more clock means more heat as well, and more voltage, thats why P4's are so fregging hot. even with the 90nm core, to help keep things a bit cooler.
add the cell to this and boom, you got a twatting hard ass job on ur hands.
the cells, real* specs havnt been shown, but neither has the 360's.
e.g. name of the core (like prescott for e.g.), pipeline stages, type of branch prediction etc. thats what matters to programmers.
probably because basic gamers dont want to know that, but people like i do, so we can analyse and get a conclusion as to which is the more efficient etc.
netherless to all of those who think that the cell is easier to program for, well you are very wrong. its incrementally complex, and unstandebly more difficult to program for than the xbox 360.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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zelda64
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6. February 2006 @ 10:38 |
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I knew you was going to say that Kookoo. I could'nt be bothered to add the explination in my last post.
PS2 came with a slot for the harddrive and the harddrive was'nt released until after the xbox. The harddrive was very useless in the PS2 with only in a certain amount of games in the single figure's using the hardrive. Where Microsoft made sure it was put to good use in some games with texture loading like in Halo, loading times decreased, etc. Its only now that Sony are relising the importance of the Harddrive and utelising it for good features.
To put it in a simpler way the PS2 came with a slot ready for the internet but the PS2 didnt have the modem until around the xbox's launch. However the Sony internet was quite usless where xbox live was a new good idea that really pushed the internet for games. The same applies to the harddrive.
Secondly Microsoft were before Sony when creating good devlopment software for thier console. Of course the PS3 might be easier to develop for than the PS2 but Microsoft have always made thier console a very easy console to develop for in terms of harware and software which Sony now seem to be realising giving developers some good software to program thier games.
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