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How do u make BitTorrent download faster? i have been searching the answer for days.
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biggermac
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8. May 2006 @ 12:47 |
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> do any of u know a link of where i can download windows XP Pro
> off bittorrent cuz i neeed it for windows repair
Posting any link to such would be admitting that the poster condones illegal activities such as downloading copyrighted material. Also these forums might then be suspect for allowing such posts..
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8. May 2006 @ 12:57 |
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Yep, it's against rules.
Try MiniNova or something.
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blondest
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Hey everyone!
oh gosh I'm so lost. I am new to the whole torrent downloading and I don't understand alomost about anything....I have successfully downloaded a couple of movies and shows but each file took DAYS to download and I was wondering if that is a normal amount of time??? If someone could help me firgure out how to work this whole torrent thing out that would be awesome:> I have BitLord1.1...I don't know if that is good or not. I also have limewire. I also tried burning the downloaded movies onto a DVD but it didn't work. I am able to play the DVD on Windows Media Player but I can't play it on an actual DVD player:< Someone help!!!!!!!!!! Please:>
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biggermac
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> I have successfully downloaded a couple of movies and shows but
> each file took DAYS to download and I was wondering if that is a
> normal amount of time??? If someone could help me firgure out how
> to work this whole torrent thing out that would be awesome.
Hopefully you are talking about non-copyrighted Movies, or permission given by the owner movies or movie clips, because otherwise you've just admitted to illegal activity and theft of copyrighted material in a public forum. Who knows, maybe some of the Electronic police will choose to make an example of you..
Read the below re re re re re re re re repost, then perhaps you can be more specific with questions (if you still have any) since your question is so very basic and there are about 67 1/2 things that could be touched on. If you post again, post your upload and download speeds that you tested for or at least were told by your ISP.
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1) What program to use
Use a torrent program that implements a colored light system (or other system) that informs you of status as you download. The two I know that use a colored light system (I am sure there are others) are BitTornado (I use), and Azureus. This is because most problems are a firewall problem and the user will have a yellow light - you want a green light.
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(2) Firewalls.
A firewall is a blocker or filter. You can send stuff outbound (upload), however they will block most ports for incoming (think of a port as a hole for stuff to get in and go out). Firewalls are now necessary because there is so much evil stuff written that is trying to harm your computer - it is just floating around on the Internet and trying and trying to find a hole to enter your computer.
Almost everyone runs a Program that is a Firewall (software firewall). But if you use a router, by the nature of it's duties, it becomes a hardware firewall. You can use a router and also run a software firewall, but running 2 software Firewalls will probably cause problems. Running a router only can be sufficient, but you do not get the bells and whistles a software firewall gives you. Example - For an old P3 running Windows 98 computer on my home network, no software firewall is used, the router seems to do OK as a firewall. And by the way if you download torrents regularly, you know they can take hours or all day, an old $80 computer like my Windows 98 one I just mentioned, even one at 500 MHz, is plenty good enough to download torrents so you don't tie up your main computer and have response slowdowns with it. Another Example (no bells & whistles) - The router firewall won't pop up a window and say "such and such tried to infiltrate your computer", nor will it say anything about outgoing that you never used before and are just using for the 1st time (it won't ask you if it is OK go ahead and let it connect)..
Port forwarding: this means open a port for incoming. So in reference to a torrent program, you must "port forward" in a firewall that port or those ports that your torrent program uses. Now you see, if you have a router (hardware firewall) and are running a software firewall as well, you must open up the ports used in both Firewalls not just one.
Now there is another way to open up ports. This is only for software Firewalls and only affects a software firewall.. You can just exclude your torrent exe program from the firewall. All ports will be open when you run the torrent. Here is an example - if you use Windows XP's firewall, click on control-panel/firewall, and you'll see one of the commands you can click is "Exceptions". In there listed are programs like Yahoo Messenger. You need to add your torrent program to the list.
Norton anti-virus 2005 .. Since I run Norton SystemWorks 2005 which has anti-virus in it, I know the anti-virus program itself runs a firewall, but it does not call it such. It probably asked you when you 1st installed Norton if it was OK to shut off the XP firewall (or any I suppose) and you probably ticked "OK do it". So, you've got to find where to add to exclude or ignore your torrent program if you didn't tell it OK before. (look for the "options' tab to be able to change/add things).
Finally on Firewalls and ports - don't use the default ports of 6881- 6889 (or whatever they are). There are 65000 port or so. Use a port or ports range above 20000. Me, I use ports in the 55000 range. If you only do one torrent at a time (recommended) you should only need to use one port (they call it a listening port I believe) and not a field of ports. (At least one port is all I need for BitTornado.). Plus remember - if you are using a router and especially used as your only firewall, then the more ports you forward, you increase the chances of some kind of a security breach when surfing the Internet.
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(3) Download one torrent at a time (until you become good at it and recognize when 2 at a time would work better).
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(4) never use any "automatic" setting.
For Example - In BitTornado by default the max upload speed is ticked to be automatic, so instead choose slow or fast DSL/cable which then will allow you to tweak the numbers it adds in the max upload speed box (and the max uploads or connections box). (See next for what numbers).
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(5) You must upload well to be able to download well
Very important rule: The whole peer to peer torrent style network is based on people not being able to "cheat", meaning you cannot choose to not share in the upload process and still be able to download fast. So remember that you must upload well to be able to download well. The faster you upload the faster you'll download (in theory).
I'd guess that most of us in the United States who have broadband (1/2 of computer users here perhaps??) can upload at 250 Kbps (31 KB/s) either with cable or fast DSL. I have 400 Kbps (50 KB/s) upload and it's becoming more common (I have cable & 4000 Kbps down). When I had 250 Kbps up (3000 down) I did OK, really, just about as well as with my higher speeds I have now.. The DSL speeds and plans will vary a lot more than cable speeds and plans. There are different types of DSL that work a bit differently than other types. Some people have DSL then find out they only have 350 Kbps download and 80 Kbps upload or something similar. OK for surfing quickly, but for torrents, not good. Since dial up is 56 Kbps up and down, that 80 or 100 Kbps upload you might have is not that much faster than dial-up.
Don't think because you have a 2000 Kbps (2 Mbps or 225 KB/s) download rate or more means that you should be getting that when you download. Even with great upload speeds an average of 600 Kbps (75 KB/s) download speed is very good. Some really popular torrents, with seeds up the butt to like 50 seeds and 50 peers and you can get 1 Mbps download (1000 Kbps / 125 KB/s). I've gotten 2 Mbps a few times. Once I hit 3 Mbps and I do not know what was going on there.
You actually are never downloading a solid speed - what you are doing is getting uploads from others and the torrent program combines the pieces. If you are getting a fast 1 Mbps download rate (125 KB/s) you are really getting uploads from several other computer sources which like you have limited upload rates..
Speeds will always be slow when you start out, and show a yellow light. You must get enough of a torrent to be able to begin to share before your upload speed starts going up, and after your upload speed starts going up give it a few minutes and your download speed should start to increase. You should get a green light after you have several people joined and start to upload faster (say maybe 5 minutes into the torrent).
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(6) Kbps, KB/s, Mbps - wtf is all of this?
(a) Kbps and KB/s are vastly different speeds or transfer rates. It is not the slash ( / ) that makes the difference, it is the large letter "B" Vs a small letter "b". OK remember B = Bytes and b = bits. It takes 8 bits to equal a byte. Everyone always used to use Kbps (bits) and the ISPs (Internet service providers) I've seen always use (appropriately so) Kbps too. I do not know how B and Bytes got started, but now everyone is confused. Torrent programs want speed entered in KB/s and your ISP tells you in Kbps. You must convert to put a value in a torrent program. Divide Kbps by 8 to get KB/s. If you have 200 Kbps upload then for the torrent program that is 25 KB/s.
-There is one more step though before you add in your max upload speed into a torrent program.
(b) Torrent programs need to use some upload bandwidth to work right. If you entered in all of your upload speed into the max-upload-speed box in the torrent program, it I going to choke when it reaches speed up past 80% of that. A rule of thumb is to only tell a torrent program 75% to 80% of what your actual upload speed really is. This leaves the extra 20% to the torrent program which needs it to work well in. OK. If you know you have 25 KB/s upload speed, 80% of that is 20 KB/s. Put 20 in the max upload speed box.
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(7) Maximum uploads (not maximum upload speed)
Leave this to 4 unless you know 5 or 6 might be better. (experiment later once you've gotten good download speeds). I'd say don't tick it up past 4 unless you have 400 Kbps (50 KB/s) upload capability, but research more on this if you want to add more connections.
Still in reference to connections (or "max uploads" in BitTornado, and not "upload speed") I am guessing here with a slight hint of knowledge - I believe this is the number of computers you are uploading to at one time. And if for example, you upload at 25 KB/s, then 4 computers should be receiving from you about 6 KB/s each.. If you tick 5 connections then 5 computers get 5 KB/s each, however if you serve too many computers, each receiving less a chunk of good speed upload from you, it might effect the formula that the torrent programs use to determine if you are uploading well and then stiff you of download speed.
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(8) I believe older computer operating systems like the Windows 98 line does not understand UPnP. The torrent program might have UPnP turned on. Also in your router (if you use one of course) you might have UPnP on or off. It might be worth experimenting with these settings. I myself have shut off UPnP in my torrent program and in my router, and even on my Win XP computer it seemed to work well downloading a torrent.
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(9) Different torrents are going to be different speeds - even if you download two different ones in a row (one after the other was finished) and they had the exact same seeds and peers numbers, one might download at 800 Kbps (100 KB/s) and the other at 400 Kbps (50 KB/s), you never know.(
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(10) Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) tries to stop WORMs. Before they could proliferate with many connections at one time. In so doing this SP2 fix, it limits (I think) what might be called "half connections" to 10 (research this further yourself, terminology might be wrong on my part). Unfortunately this causes havoc with older style P2P programs, and might effect your torrent speed too in such a way as that if you lose a computer in your group that was uploading to you, getting connected to another source might take a while, and you'll see your speeds vary a lot as you watch during a download. There is a so-called "fix" called the LVLord fix. Google "LVLord". This fix involves entering automatically into your registry do be careful save your registry before you run it. Put in "1000" into the field instead of 10. You will get a warning when you run this fix, and if you get afraid and abort, of course the fix won't work. If you do at some point ever be infected with a WORM, you will be a big source of the problem.
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(11) Some settings you change might not go into effect until you close your torrent program and open it up again. For example in BitTornado on the main page I can change the upload max speed setting OK and it does into effect immediately, but if I changed on a 2nd page the ports used, that wouldn't go into effect until the next time I open BitTornado.
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...McBigGuy@no-emailxxx.org
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blondest
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8. May 2006 @ 13:33 |
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Hi,
Yes the movies are non-copyrighted... and how do you test for the upload and download speeds? And where do you tell if the light is green or yellow?
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biggermac
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8. May 2006 @ 14:28 |
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> Yes the movies are non-copyrighted... and how do you test for the
> upload and download speeds? And where do you tell if the light is
> green or yellow?
http://www.dslreports.com/stest
And for colored light system - I don't know if the specific torrent program you are using has that or not. use one that does.
...McBigGuy@no-emailxxx.org
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blondest
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8. May 2006 @ 14:36 |
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Hey if you find the upload and download speeds at the very top of the program, uh well it says that my download is 0 KB/s and Upload is 0 KB/s! Thats really bad. I read your repost and I changed my ports, made exceptions to my firewall for the torrents, and I also changed my max upload speed to 20. Then I closed the torrent program down about an hour ago.
--blondest:>
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blondest
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8. May 2006 @ 15:01 |
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hey I ran the test and I download 284 kbps or 35.5 KB/sec.
and upload 306 kbps or 38.3 KB/sec.
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biggermac
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8. May 2006 @ 15:19 |
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> Hey if you find the upload and download speeds at the very top of
> the program, uh well it says that my download is 0 KB/s and Upload
> is 0 KB/s! Thats really bad. I read your repost and I changed my
> ports, made exceptions to my firewall for the torrents, and I also
> changed my max upload speed to 20. Then I closed the torrent
> program down about an hour ago.
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> hey I ran the test and I download 284 kbps or 35.5 KB/sec.
> and upload 306 kbps or 38.3 KB/sec.
Rule number one with torrents - "you must upload well to be able to download well". Written into the program that way so there are no leeches downloadinf stuff but not sharing in the process.
Your upload speed is sufficient. In your torrent program you can easily make it a standard 25 (25 KB/s, which = 200 kbps) as your upload speed. or even a bit more, like 27.
But your download speed looks unreal - way too slow. Not balanced at all because usually people's download speed is much higher than their upload speed. Some DSL is that slow though downloading though, and satellite. (around 300 kbps). Just so you know, I have 4000 kbps download speed and about 375 kbps upload speed with cable. But 256 kbps up and 3000 down ain't bad. DSL varies from low like you say to a few thusand Kbps, depending on many things. Some very populat torrents might be able to achive 2000 kbps, but have to be real happy with 1000 kbps / 1 Mbps / 125 KB/s.
Run that speed test again. Try a place closer. Don't move your mouse or so anything while it' testing. Close all other windows.
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Iceminx
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9. May 2006 @ 06:10 |
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The simplest answer to "how to make torrents download faster" is as simple as this. Know something about the bittorrent specification, going to http://www.mininova.biz/howto.php?ref= and you will get a good idea of how this works. As for download speeds, the higher the number of "seeds" + "leeches" you have the faster the download will be... this is unquestionable by anyone that has been using this as long as I have.
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10. May 2006 @ 18:40 |
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biggermac, appreciate all ur posts, i have learned more from reading them today then i have in the past few months searching countless forums. Ur definitely an asset to the AD community:)
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11. May 2006 @ 15:42 |
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Im looking for an invite to scenetorrents and/or bitmetv. Thanks All
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sorry, inviteme, but private torrent invite trading is no longer permitted at AfterDawn ;-)
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vimota
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hey guys,
my bittorrent light at the top is all green because i did the port forwarding, so its good. but it takes sooo long to download, theres TONS of peers but its only going 13-20kb/s! im pretty sure thats slow compared to what ive seen you guys talk aobut, so what should i do? any suggestions?
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biggermac
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13. May 2006 @ 01:45 |
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> hey guys, my bittorrent light at the top is all green because i
> did the port forwarding, so its good. but it takes sooo long to
> download, theres TONS of peers but its only going 13-20kb/s! im
> pretty sure thats slow compared to what ive seen you guys talk
> aobut, so what should i do? any suggestions?
You'll need to post more information.
1st thing though, about 4 posts from the top of the page that you posted your message on is a large post by me with some possible help for you. After you read it, if you still don't understand then post up information, all you said is you are not behind a firewall, which is good. That post should tell you a lot of info..
But how about posting what your maximum upload speed is, and then what speed you are using in BitTorrent, being careful to realize the abbreviations used can mean a big difference - example: 20 KB/s is not 20 kbps, 20 KB/s is 160 Kbps.
And what's your max download speed too.
Ok lots of peers but were there any seeds? - and how many seeds vs peers (give numbers for both).
Ports used?
What country you are in...
Windows XP?
Using BitTorrent the program or another torrent program.
Anything that might help..
...McBigGuy@no-emailxxx.org
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vimota
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13. May 2006 @ 07:34 |
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alright so i read the post and it still didnt change.
well i have bittorrent 4.4.1
im in canada
i have no idea about what seeds and leeches are???
and how do i find my max download speed? when i did that test thing it said like 4000 kbps, but does that sound rihgt?
i use port 6881
yes, windows xp
i hope thats enough information, if nto just ask me, im open to anything that will change my download rate. and by the way i put my maximum uploade rate high but it doesnt even get close to that..
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biggermac
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13. May 2006 @ 08:03 |
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> alright so i read the post and it still didnt change.
> ell i have bittorrent 4.4.1
I guess you say BitTorrent now has a colored light system to warn or inform you of your status. I was going to suggest BitTornado but perhaps BitTorrent has improved, though I don't know much else about it except it was the original written by the starter of the torrent thing. (I also understand though that the author is going legit with a legal filessharing network..)
> I'm in canada
In case this affects you, I understand through other's problems that Rogers in Canada needs you to use one certain port to get good speeds.
> i have no idea about what seeds and leeches are???
Seeds are the completed copies. Though only one seed is needed in a files sharing circle, when you have lots of seeds your seeds should be faster. Peers are those like you who don't have a complete copy - more numbers here can help out too, but having a lot of seeds can really speed things up. Leeches would I guess be those downloading but not sharing upload duties in the circle. You get a lot of leeches in the old style P2P programs, but with torrents it is difficult to attain good download speeds without sharing upload bandwidth. If someone has a better explaination of a leech, chime in and let us know..
> and how do i find my max download speed? when i did that test
> thing it said like 4000 kbps, but does that sound rihgt?
(Test speeds: http://www.dslreports.com/stest)
The most important thing is getting your upload speed set right in your torrent program. If too low or too high, it bogs down. The whole system was made so that in order to download well, you must share and also upload well too. Not uploading well means the program will not let you dopwnload to full potential (punshment for not sharing all that you can).
---> You set up the upload speed in your torrent program to be no more than 80% of what you know it to really be (because the program itself needs the extra 20% to work in). This is where know kbps vs KB/s comes in handy, because torrent prograqms are using KB/s, but your ISP probably tells you your speed in kbps. (Test speeds: http://www.dslreports.com/stest)
4000 kbps sounds like cable. Your upload speed is probably 380 or 400 kbps, which is good.. You will never attain 4000 kbps downloading though. Occasionally with a very well seeded and peered torrent you could get 2000 kbps (same as 250 KB/s or same as 2 Mbps) or a little better, at least for part of the time, but if you can get 1000 kbps (125 KB/s) then you have to be very happy.
> i use port 6881
Since ports 6881 to 6889 are well known as torrent ports, and that torrents ususally mean illegal files sharing (copyrighted material), why gamble - some ISPs might just be "messing" with the known torrent ports. There are 65000 ports, and you should use a torrent program that can access any of them and use them. I'd use ports abouve 17000.. Latelty I have used a small port range in the 57000s.
> yes, windows xp
Windows XP can use UPnP. But you could shut it off to see if it makes any kind of difference..
...McBigGuy@no-emailxxx.org
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vimota
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13. May 2006 @ 08:39 |
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biggermac, youre helping a lot thanks!im starting to understand a lot more.
so yeah i changed into 20000 port but it didnt do anything.
should i change to BitTornado? any other tips/suggestions?
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biggermac
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13. May 2006 @ 08:52 |
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> biggermac, youre helping a lot thanks!im starting to understand a
> lot more.
> so yeah i changed into 20000 port but it didnt do anything.
> should i change to BitTornado? any other tips/suggestions?
I am not a mind reader, you know. You still are not saying much.
You didn't mention anything about understanding upload speed and what to input into the upload speed field you're using in the torrent program. Never use an "automatic" setting for upload speed. You must be accurate, know what you max capability is, and then only use 80% of that - i can't stress that enough.
And you aren't informing me how popular the file is you are trying to get.
And I guess you are not with Rogers in Canada.
And I hope you are not trying for 5 minutes, then determining that it's too slow - a large file can take 1/2 hour to build up to some good speeds - even more than 1/2 hour.
...McBigGuy@no-emailxxx.org
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vimota
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13. May 2006 @ 09:05 |
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no, ive left it on for 2 days now.. but it is a big download. so im not angry that it will take long to download, its just that the download rate is quite slow.. for bittorrent theres a bar at the top and it says maximum upload rate and i dont know what i should put it to, the bar goes all the way to 7.8 MB/s what do you think i should put it to?
no i dont use rogers i use aci... and how do you find how popular it is?
also, im really sorry, im new at this so i might be asking some stupid questions..
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biggermac
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13. May 2006 @ 09:32 |
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> for bittorrent theres a bar at the top and it says maximum upload
> rate and i dont know what i should put it to, the bar goes all the
> way to 7.8 MB/s what do you think i should put it to
How many times do I have to tell you? You have to know what you already have as a maximum upload rate you get with your Internet account tyhrough your ISP to then determine what to put into a upload field box. ...You just will not mention what your upload max is even after recently listing a ink as to where to test.
As far a BitTorrent and your bar at the to[p - never used BitTorrent. I don't even know if that's a status bar or it is a field where you can enter in upload speed. 7.8 Mbps is way too high for what we're talkking here. 1 Mbps = 1000 kbps. At most you might have 400 kbps upload rate - but you need to know for sure here to put the right speed into the correct upload speed box.
If you can't figure it out thern change the darned program to BitTornado it is simplicity in itself, and since I've used it, I can help...
...McBigGuy@no-emailxxx.org
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krn5968
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13. May 2006 @ 15:58 |
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if there are different seeds and peers in different ports,
do you know any good ports for specific clients?
also...why is there an option to upload the completed seed after dling?
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biggermac
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13. May 2006 @ 19:09 |
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> if there are different seeds and peers in different ports,
> do you know any good ports for specific clients?
> also...why is there an option to upload the completed seed after
> dling?
Ports and seeds/peers are oranges and apples. You're talking two different entities, they don't go together in the same sentence. One doesn't affect the other.
If I am downloading a torrent I am a peer, and at some point I have a completed copy but I let the connection stay in place, I don't need to download any more and at this point I guess I in essense become a seed. But or course someone must have started the torrent at some point as an original seed.
A port is a hole. There are about 65000 ports. A firewall program, &/or a hardware firewall (a router) will "block" or "filter" the incoming through the ports so not just anything can enter in through them. ...Firewalls are only needed nowadays because there is because just so much evil & infecting crap out there now trying to get into your computer and harm it.
...McBigGuy@no-emailxxx.org
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i got a problem i have downloaded F.E.A.R and The Godfather The Game and i cant seem to play anyone one of them. i downloaded them of off bit comit. i extracted them and have deamon tools also i need some help bad if some one can please help me send me and email or something please.
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biggermac
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Great, blaise21.. you just admitted in a public forum that you're grabbing copyrighted material. Who knows if the Internet Police don't have a car parked right over there and are watching you...
Anyway, I can't help even if I wanted to. I don't know much about that aspect of things. ....And just to mess with you, sometimes they put bum files in there just so you can get frustrated after downloading all day..
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