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DVD2One vs. DVDShrink
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frisk
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3. June 2004 @ 16:33 |
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@Sophocles
read this thread
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2/77631
there are eleven persons involved in the discussion,
all have the big white artefacts....
E-ternal wrote on 31 May 2004 10:59
tested this and did the same movie today with the latest Intervid 2.0B002.09C00
As the blocks do not appear on all movies, it is has probably something to do with slightly different coded mpeg streams that VOB sets contain. To fix this it will probably cost not much time and hopefully we'll see a updated IVI Dvd Copy with bugless transcoder soon.
which Version are you using actually? Maybe they
have already released a fixed version in the meantime,
unfortunately the given information about versions
or bugfixes made on their Homepage are poor (these informations just don't exist)
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3. June 2004 @ 18:24 |
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I downloaded the latest trial version which was fully functional for 3 days. In that time I've made 2 DiVx copies and 7 type 9 back-ups and no problems. It may be that they've quietly added a fix. Not to be put-off I've emailed them describing the problems that have been reported by members of AD and I am waiting for a reply. If I don't get one then I will just keep copying and pasting the same email until they get sick of me. From what I've seen so far if they fix any bugs that DVDCopy might have they will have a good product but they won't get my money until the issue is resolved.
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Ronrice
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3. June 2004 @ 19:12 |
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dvd shrink is easy and free so i would stick with that
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3. June 2004 @ 19:20 |
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I enjoy DVD Shrink and yes the fact that its free is also a plus but I'm looking for the best possible result with large type 9 DVDs.
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brobear
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4. June 2004 @ 02:50 |
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Just a question or 2 and I'll tell you of the white pixel I saw. My computer was working perfect. So why did the copy of DVD43 (downloaded from AfterDawn) cause my System 32 folder to open after booting (every time)? An annoyance that wasn't there before. And as DVD43 has no off switch, you're stuck with it running from start. Great for Newbies, but a great irritant for us that like an off button. With DVD43 removed, why does the System 32 still popup and what do I do to fix it?
As for the DVD Decrypter - DVD Shrink debate. Guess I've been lucky during my last couple of hundred burns. The decryption doesn't seem to have been an issue. A question for ScubaPete, as he brought it up. Do those IFO files get squashed by Decrypter or could it be by whatever editing program used to set up the burn?
Possibly I use decrypter more than I should. But I do it because I have never had the problem others have. I guess it takes a run of coasters to make me change.
I use decrypter because I have a personal preference for using ISO files. I used Shrink to edit with Nero in auto to burn. The trusty Shrink never let me down. And with those big Disney movies, could we have a problem with compression and not decryption? I need something clarified, forgive an old 'codger' like myself. When decrypter puts the folder/movie onto the hard drive in ISO or files , (in default), isn't it just laying out those files minus the encryption? And if a person wants to decrypt to hard drive, isn't the resulting image already edited by Shrink? Is Shrink worth the extra time? Doesn't Shrink take twice as long as decrypter because it is prepping the files to put on the hard drive just the same as it would to send the files to the Nero burning ROM? Sorry I got carried away asking questions there. I have problems understanding sometimes, hope you can be of help.
Sophocles, I finally found that elusive white pixel and the little critter is hard to keep up with. Could this thing be another result of compression? I was working with 'The Return Of The King'. It weighs in at about 8.5 GB (x-long movie). The movie alone is well over 7 GB. I recorded using Imation +R with my trusty old Memorex dual format burner.
I got spectacular results playing the movie on my RCA 60 inch rear projection set. I did however see a white pixel. During a battle scene (where the heroine cuts off the flying beast's head to protect her father)a white pixel occurred for a millisecond. Had I blinked, I would have missed it. I reran the scene and the blip wasn't there. I reran the same scene and never saw the 'white pixel' again. Remember, this was a 8.5 GB movie going on a 4.7 disc. What would cause a white pixel that would show up in one spot and then not show up when rerun, immediately? At this high a compression level, the rest of my software would have been giving me 'skipping' coasters. So, I think I'll use the program some more.
My other experience with high compression, 'Pirates of the Caribbean', was interesting. Decrypter and Platinum RF did the work once and I did [movie only] with Shrink. Both resulted in a movie that would skip. Going in rerun would play the scene. Here is a question. Why would a movie that 'skips', start playing properly after it's been played a couple of times? It has happened a couple of times on different movies from different studios using different software and at different compression levels using different media. Now there is an elusive little devil.
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4. June 2004 @ 05:01 |
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Thanks brobear for making some excellent points. I'm still looking for the white piexels, but your find does correlate with points made by frisk and I believe you both. It could be caused by any number of things but usually it's either the media or the medica used with a particular burner, and even the player itself could be partially to blame.
I tried DVD43 for a few days and then asked my self, why is it even installed? It's redundant. You still need to use a ripper and rippers decrypt. I also don't are for applications that run in the background.
Below is a link to a post made by AD's administrator regarding the qualit of various media.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/12824
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frisk
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4. June 2004 @ 08:40 |
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@sophocles
"Not to be put-off I've emailed them describing the problems that have been reported by members of AD and I am waiting for a reply"
They never answer any mail or if they do they answer always that they never have heard about this problem.....
And again please note it's not a media problem as the
big white blocks are already there when I view the ripped movie from HD using PC DVD-Player (Power DVD).
By the way here is a sample of the big white
blocks: http://69.50.228.78/test.jpg
I never had any proplems like this using Shrink,
DVD2One, Elby Clone DVD in combination with AnyDVD or Decrypter.
So it's not the problem that I can't copy my DVD's but the quality of the two movies (out of six) that worked using IV DVD copy Platinum 2 was amazing
Quality of Shrink, Clone DVD or DVD2one is good
but not as good as IV DVD would be.......
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4. June 2004 @ 09:16 |
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I seem to have had better luck using DVDCopy then some have had and 7 of 7 is not a bad result. It's ironic but the only time that I've seen those artifacts was with a store bought DVD, it just didn't want work in my old player. I've no intention of buying DVDCopy at this time unless intervideo can explain this phenomenon.
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Ronrice
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4. June 2004 @ 09:40 |
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yeh dvdcopy is good program, but dvdshrink is free
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4. June 2004 @ 10:12 |
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I agree Ronrice but I find that each brings something new to the table. Some take less time to setup, some are faster, and some produces better picture quality on larger files.
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brobear
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4. June 2004 @ 10:57 |
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Ronrice,
I was working with 'Return of the King'. Checked the file on the hard drive and it was good. The pixel was noticable but nothing like the screen shown by the URL you posted. My situation had to be media or player. On replay the pixels disappeared. I've had situations before where replay corrected a skip problem. Somehow the laser changed something in the media. I don't have a clue as to what changes in the disc. This is a Samsung DVD player and it continues to give excellent service. I'm starting to wonder if I may have suffered a power surge, but the unit is on a good suppressor. Anyone have an idea on the vanishing pixel?
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4. June 2004 @ 11:14 |
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I did the same copy tht brobear did and I was able to play it on all three of my DVDs as well as in my Pextor and Samsung combo drive. Brobear I think that I'm going to give recode another try, Nero's been updated more than once since my last try and it just might work this time.
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brobear
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4. June 2004 @ 11:41 |
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Hey Sophocles,
Easy to access through CopyToDVD to. Now this one actually works good with AnyDVD. I've used it with HD files and disc drives, worked good both ways. I do like having my files on HD so I can check if anything goes wrong.
DVD Decrypter set to only deal with region, CSS, and Macro is the way to go. Leaves the entire file on the HD in full size and allows the program the full files for editing. Another thing nice about using files from the HD, it gives the old laser a chance to rest
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4. June 2004 @ 11:52 |
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Yes CopyToDVD is a lazy mans dream, not dragging and dropping just go to the ripped file then click and burn.
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4. June 2004 @ 11:54 |
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Have you tried it with DVD2One yet? Which version of DVD2One do you have?
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4. June 2004 @ 12:04 |
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v 1.4.0 Need to clean up the DVD43 fiasco before I start working more with DVD2one. It has interesting possibilities, but I haven't used it enough to make an educated decision yet. Too many toys and the old bear is starting to get confused.
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4. June 2004 @ 12:17 |
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Actually all you have to do is open it and click next, then go to copy mode and choose whether you want to keep the full disk or movie only. Don't bother with compression mode, variable rate works fine. Then tick the little box "burn with CopyToDVD, give any name you want. Hit next and choose only the audio tack yo want to keep. Then hit nest and go grab a coffee, beer, soda or whatever and come back in about 40 minutes and collect your DVD. Version 1.4 also has a feature for joinkg files, you can undo those DVDXcopy two disk copies and put thenm back on 1 disc.
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4. June 2004 @ 12:46 |
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That last line hit the nail on the head. I used it enough to use the controls. I was joining 2 disks together and got the order reversed. Coaster, I hate knowing the end of a movie before I know what happened in the beginning. The picture quality was good, I'm just going to have to watch what I'm doing.
The joining process is just a bit more than the easy settings. I was in a hurry an not paying enough attention. It was also well into the cocktail hour. As I said, I'll eventually get time.
From what I've seen, it does a good job under high compression. And right now there seems to only be a couple of other kids on the block in the heavy weight (high compression) fighting category, Recode and WinDVD
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4. June 2004 @ 12:52 |
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Since my last post I've already ripped and burned a 6.6 DVD using Decrypter, and Nero recode in only 34 minutes from start to end including prep time (love my new Plextor). Now I just have to check it for quality.
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4. June 2004 @ 13:02 |
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Now you know why I like decrypter and Recode. AnyDVD would speed the process up but would eliminate the HD file. That new 'Racy' drive makes everything come together. You can't beat good quality, especially when its fast. I bet it turned out good.
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4. June 2004 @ 13:07 |
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I may have lost a little quality going for speed but recode has an equivalent to Shrinks Deep scan. I'll try that next.
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ScubaPete
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4. June 2004 @ 17:32 |
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as DVD43 has no off switch
brobear,
as I posted to the other threads you've complained on, you must go down to the lower right-hand side of your Monitor screen, near the clock. You'll see a smiley face there, right click your mouse on that and choose "Close."
DVD43 will close.
To remove - Go to ""Start", Control panel, Add and Remove programs - locate DVD43 and choose "remove, it will be removed. Clean up your System Registry with System Mechanic available in trial version or other programs like it -
System Mechanic -
http://www.wugnet.com/shareware/spow.asp?ID=235
cheers,
Pete
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mkc1971
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10. June 2004 @ 23:13 |
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im using both programs and personally i recommend shrink
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ScubaPete
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13. June 2004 @ 14:46 |
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Quote:
A question for ScubaPete, as he brought it up. Do those IFO files get squashed by Decrypter or could it be by whatever editing program used to set up the burn?
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