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ScubaPete
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7. May 2004 @ 12:16 |
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Nice Post there grogey bear, very nice indeed :D)
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7. May 2004 @ 12:51 |
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i just think its a question of what type of software you get used to using .
some start off using dvd shrink and swear by it , some use dvd2one and love it , even nero recode2 and me well ive used dvd shrink , dvd2one and nero recode2 and upto now ( touch wood ) had very few probs .
iff its freeware your after then dvd decrypter with dvd shrink is your answer , it really does work and its free .
iff you dont mind paying then look no further than dvd2one its an exellent shrinking program , but you will need a ripper as it dont rip dvd decrypter is once again the saviour !
or iff you have the full nero 6 suite give nero recode 2 a try but once again you need a ripper as it dont rip , but having said that it does a decent job of shrinking .
as ive said ive tried em all and they all work excellently its just what you feel comfortable with.
happy burning owd lads :o)
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ScubaPete
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7. May 2004 @ 14:41 |
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Rippers you say ??
Yes, Decrypter is good BUT I like just a bit more subtlety - DVD43 or AnyDVD, running in the background is more my cup of tea.
DVD Decrypter I use for the rare ?Toughies?.
My 2 cents -
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7. May 2004 @ 15:13 |
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I myself use DVD Decrypter always for ripping :
1) Because it is great at what it does
2) It was created by a quite brilliant fellow brit [LightningUK]
3) It isn't just a ripper , it can burn a few different formats too [if it had ability to burn VOB files it would be a bundle that virtually did it all]
Only DVD Authoring progs I have on my HDD :
DVD Decrypter
DVD2One
DVD Shrink
Nero 6 Ultra
MainConcept MPEG Encoder
TMPGEnc DVD Author
That's all I have ever used & have ever needed to use ... for whatever task :)
I must admit to not having tried DVD43 & AnyDVD , Pete would you care to elaborate on the 'subtlety' aspects of running said proggies bro ? : ]-~
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7. May 2004 @ 20:11 |
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Mmmmmmm I'd suggest that ScubaPete does what I do - not surprising since he put me onto the idea in the first place!! :D
Instead of ripping the entire DVD9 to your HD you run DVD43 or AnyDVD in the background and it removes most of the protection issues - although there are occasions where you can't do without decrypter - then you can "shrink" or "dvd2one" & rip the files straight onto your HD all at once - directly from the disc to the HD, already encoded and shrunk down to size.
Saves HD space and time as you don't have to rip to HD first.
Does that put me back at Number 1 Pete? does it? well?
lol
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8. May 2004 @ 00:15 |
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Many thanks for the tip on "KProbe2". It is an excellent diagnostic tool. And congratulations on all the tireless testing you have been undertaking. It is very much appreciated !!
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8. May 2004 @ 00:47 |
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No worries brian100 - let me know how you go with it. I'd be interested in particular if you have the same one little problem that I do.
Quite often I get a near excellent scan but find that at the very end of my disc both the PI and PO scores go up markedly. I've been watching as the scan progresses and I've discovered that on these scans the BLER scan reading speed will often go up to around 4.6/4.7 right at the end of the disc when this happens even though I've set the read speed at 4.0. Here is an example with Shanghai Noon - note how good most of the disc is with both PI and PO under the required levels for a good scan.
Now look at the scan I did on the same disc but only of the latter third - from where the scores started to go up. Because it was a relatively short scan there was no speed increase in the read speed - and the scores are indeed excellent.
To understand how a higher speed scan can effect the final figures, try doing a scan on a particular disc at MAX read speed and then scan the same disc at 4x and compare the differences.
If I am concerned about any high PI or PO then I do a read error check with DVDInfoPro as if there are no read errors (no matter what the BLER scan result) then the disc will play fine.
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ScubaPete
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8. May 2004 @ 11:32 |
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Mmmmmmm I'd suggest that ScubaPete does what I do
I say there little grogey bear, to what are you refering ??
??Pete??
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8. May 2004 @ 19:21 |
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Well now let me see....... gee I could have fun with this but best stick to what I actually meant:
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run DVD43 or AnyDVD in the background and it removes most of the protection issues - although there are occasions where you can't do without decrypter - then you can "shrink" or "dvd2one" & rip the files straight onto your HD all at once
Of course I am only summising.......as you gave me the tip in the first place.
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1. June 2004 @ 12:45 |
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Oooohh THAT -
Yea, I could do that -
(Feelin' it could have been something else BUT no such luck :-=(
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1. June 2004 @ 18:27 |
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I use DVD Decrypter for strait ripping, if the DVD is under 6.5 gigs I use Srhink and Nero. If the DVD is around or over 6.5 gigs I use DVD Decrypter to rip, DVD2one to compress, and CopyToDvD to burn. I like the editing capabilities of DVD Shrink and its interface to nero. But I think that DVD2one is better on large type 9 files than Shrink and it interfaces with CopyToDvD just as Shrink does with Nero. The best application for compressing and burning type 9 DVDs is in my opinion, Intervideo's DVDcopy 2, I just completed a rip and burn of mission impossible 2 in file mode (7.8 + gigs), I took nothing out and yet it was a perfect (as far as one can see) 1:1 copy.
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2. June 2004 @ 00:12 |
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but unfortunately Intervideo DVD copy 2 has
this big Macroblock/Pixelation bug
see other threads in this forum regarding
this problem
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2. June 2004 @ 04:47 |
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I can only report what I saw and the rsults were excellent as in Zero pixelation. Perhaps the recent update has fixed this problem or it's random and the 3 day trial might not be long enough for me to discover it. I would have liked more manual adjustments but for a newbie that just wants quick and easy results the app is very effective. I searched the net and did find a couple of references to the pixelation problem but the complainer also stated that his successful results were better than other compression engines. All I can say is download it and take it for a spin, its fully funtional for 3 days. I would also be interested in results made on a defferent system. I'll do another Movie today and tomorrow until the temporary license expires to see if I run across the problem. I also did a DiVx copy and it came in just under 600 megs. The application burned it to a CD=R and it's compliant with DVD players that are DiVx compatible (or at least some since I could only test it on 1 player and my PC). The picture was again excellent. Someone else want to give it a try and see if they run across the Bug?
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2. June 2004 @ 05:41 |
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I've gotten a little lazy of late. I just let AnyDVD run in the background. Sophocles is right the big hammer is still DVD Decrypter when you have a program that just wants to be balky decrypting, more power and options. And that CopyToDVD sure makes the burner interface simple. Liked DVD2one well enough to keep it. Use em all and like em.
Haven't suffered any pixelation with any of them. The only time I got a problem with pixelation was using 321 software where I shouldn't have. It works well with modest size files. Their algorithm tends to fail when dealing with high compression rates. In other words I shouldn't have had a middleweight fighting in the heavyweight class. Not to give 321 a blackeye, I do sometimes edit larger files down with Platinum in the Advanced setting. As I said, I've personally not run into pixelation issues as long as the programs are used within reason.
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Hey brobear, have you tried Intervideo's DVDCopy 2 yet and if so what was your experience with it? I'm trying to discover the pixelation bug that others have mentioned and as of yet I've been unable to. Instead I'm getting excellent results that may be pointing to a new DVD Decrypter and compression burn combo for large type 9 files.
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2. June 2004 @ 05:55 |
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No, still ignorant to DVDCopy2. I'll run out and get a copy so I know what everyone is talking about. Knew what you were talking about on all the others though and I haven't run into any wild pixels. check the previous post.
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2. June 2004 @ 06:02 |
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Im looking forward to hearing your results. Use the largest type 9 DVD you can find and rip its entire contents in file mode. For the DiVx copy rip it in IFO mode.
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2. June 2004 @ 09:02 |
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the macroblock/pixelation bug is much different from
the "normal" pixelation in other programms there
are huge white pixels randomly over the screen
from 6 DVD's I copied with Intervideo DVD Copy 2
only two worked... these two were excellent though you
couldn't see a difference to the original nearly,
but two others showed this white pixels/artefacts
and two had a failure in the VOB logic and stopped
playing after 25-30min. of watching.
If only one third of movies can be copied I don't want
to pay for this programm.
dvd's i copied:
Once upon a time in mexico (perfect)
Matrix revolutions (perfect)
Down with love (pixelation/artefacts)
Untouchables (pixelation/artefacts)
Looney Tunes back in Action (stopped after 25min. of playing)
Pirates of the caribbean (stopped after 25min. of
playing)
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2. June 2004 @ 09:04 |
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I just finished doing a back-up of the X-Men with DVDCopy 2, which Decrypter, identifies in file mode as being more than 8 gigs (I removed nothing) and it?s almost perfect. Again no pixelation of any kind and so far my wife and son can't tell which is the original is or which is the b back-up. It was played on 36" Sony Wega. I would still be interested in a test done by others.
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So far I've had success in 2 of 2 DVD back ups and 1 DiVx back up and still no Pixelation of any kind. I even took a large magnifying glass during an action scene and it looks as good as the original. I've played both disks in all three of my stand alone players without incident. Frisk, what media were you using , I'm using Verbatim 4X DVD+R (bought them for my new Plextor to burn at 8X).
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2. June 2004 @ 10:11 |
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If the DVD is around or over 6.5 gigs I use DVD Decrypter to rip,
Sophocles,
Using DVD Decrypter all the time can cause problems, Not eliminate them -
DVD Decrypter Vs. DVD Shrink
Think of DVD Shrink as a specialist who picks the encryption apart piece by piece, laying everything out so that the program can always be re-assembled perfectly.
Now think of DVD Decrypter as a strong-arm guy with a sledgehammer that will smash the encryption apart with brute force until it all lies flat upon the ground.
Sometimes ripping (smashing ) with DVD Decrypter will screw up a DVD so that it cannot be re-assembled correctly. We need it on rare concessions when DVD Shrink won't work. BUT recently, we have been able to use DVD Decrypter to burn DVD Shrink's files to our DVD. Very good thing, that :P)
Here's the problem, if your DVD is multi-angled, you will lose the angle. The switching, from one chapter to the next, is controlled by the IFO files. When you use DVD Decrypter you kind of "Mash" those IFO files and so the player cannot read them therefore has no idea where to go. In one case the DVD ran 2/3rds of the way through OK then switched to French for the rest of the movie. Bloody annoying, that.
It also plays havoc with complex IFO's like Disney stuff, which has sections out of order. IFO files tell the player where to go from one chapter to the next therefore you begin watching the movie out-of-order missing some chapters entirely. The DVD's I speak of are also the one's where the DVD's size was 4.9GB but when you attempt to edit them using re-author, the size grows to 8.2GB. The reason is that if you play the main VOB not all the chapters are there. The IFO's switch the player back and forth between the main VOB and others combining them all together to produce the complete DVD.
Therefore, we want to use DVD Shrink all the time and only falling back to use DVD Decrypter when come across one of the rare DVD's that DVD Shrink cannot handle. Of course we do have another option - we can use DVD43 (FREE), running in the background to aid DVD Shrink.
DVD43 runs in the background making it appear that your disc doesn't have any encryption or region. THEN use DVD Shrink which has a decryptor all it's own (it's really more of a decoder), then use DVD Decrypter to burn the ISO image that DVD Shrink puts out OR use Nero to burn your VIDEO_TS folder to disc. Either way is fine.
Now the ONLY time you want to use DVD Decrypter is if DVD43 and DVD Shrink cannot rip a particular DVD.
OR, if you are dealing with a DVD-5 then use "ISO read" mode to rip it to your HD and then change the mode to "ISO write" to burn to disc, very fast, that :-)
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I took nothing out and yet it was a perfect (as far as one can see) 1:1 copy.
Ya might have gone a tad too far there - a backup is either a 1:1 copy or it isn't. There is no way a 7.8+ Gig is a 1:1 copy. It may LOOK like the original, but looking like it's good and calling it a 1:1 is like saying I just installed new shocks on my VW and when I take it for a ride and it IS a Lincoln Continental -
cheers,
"P"
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Looney Tunes back in Action (stopped after 25min. of playing)
Trust me, the stopping of your DVD after 25 minutes has nothing to do with processing or compression, I would be looking toward a media problem or a source problem -
You might want to try some of the recommended media to see if that works with the same original and processing programs -
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2. June 2004 @ 18:36 |
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If the DVD is around or over 6.5 gigs I use DVD Decrypter to rip, DVD2one to compress, and CopyToDvD to burn.I like the editing capabilities of DVD Shrink and its interface to nero. But I think that DVD2one is better on large type 9 files! above is a copy and paste from the original post
Pete, I never use DVD Decrypter all the time, only with large files that are used in conjunction with an alternate compressing and burning software. In my view Dvd2one is a better type 9 file compressor than is Shrink, and not by conjecture, but by trial, experience, and comparison. I fully understand and know how to use Shrink, I use its re-authoring mode quite freqeuntly for movie only back-ups.
Now think of DVD Decrypter as a strong-arm guy with a sledgehammer that will smash the encryption apart with brute force until it all lies flat upon the ground.
Pete I love your use of adjectives but are we still talking about DVD Decrypter and shrink?
Sometimes ripping (smashing )with DVD Decrypter will screw up a DVD so that it cannot be re-assembled correctly. HUH! We need it on rare concessions (you mean occasions?) when DVD Shrink won't work. BUT recently, we have been able to use DVD Decrypter to burn DVD Shrink's files to our DVD. Very good thing, that.
Pete! DVD Decrypter is largely, because SmartRipper was abandoned, the remaining premier DVD ripping application, period. Shrink does a pretty good job too but its strengths are in editing and compression, it's free, but it easily takes a second place to Decrypter for ripping.
It also plays havoc with complex IFO's like Disney stuff Half of my 400 plus collection was ripped in IFO mode using DVD Decrypter, compressed with DVD2one, and burned with CopyToDvd, and I'd like to report, no havoc. In fact if you want to rip in IFO mode, Decrypter is the best of the free, and the commercial.
My statement:"I took nothing out and yet it was a perfect this is clearly meant to be an expression[/bold(as far as one can see is describing human visual limitations and not to be taken literally 1:1 copy.
One could use shrink all the time and why not? It's a very good free application, but it's only the best choice, sometimes.
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2. June 2004 @ 23:17 |
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@pete
it stopped on the pc (power DVD) after 25min.
as well, not a media problem but a logical failure
in the VOB files generated by Intervideo DVD copy2
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2. June 2004 @ 23:30 |
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@sophocles
You don't need magnifyng glass when you have your
first disc with this macroblock/pixelation artefacts
they are big and white (has nothing to do with the
"normal" macroblocks from other transcoders).
It looks like parts of the screen are missing,
and there are big white blocks maybe 8x8 pixels
randomly over the screen). By the way, it's a well
known problem as many users have this problem,
in some movies it's only in particular scenes,
the worst copy IVDVDcopy2 created was Down with love,
big white blocks during the whole movie.
And of course it's not a media problem, I have all
the mentionned bugs on the PC (Power DVD) as well.
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3. June 2004 @ 04:41 |
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Frisk, I believe you and there is at least one other person on the forum that's also looking for the defect, but so far I've been able to find it. It may be that Intervideo has fiixed the bug or that it's not so common. So far I've backed three large type 9 movies without a hitch. The back up I made of the X-Men gave me an opportunity to compare it with DVD2one and DVDcopy 2 was easily better.
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