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10. November 2011 @ 12:25 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by creaky:
I'll have to find out how this affects our parent company, it probably doesn't though; let's just say they're large enough that they can get manufacturers to put aside ludicrous amounts of laptops and desktops, and be supplied long after those models are superceded, to allow them to image machines en masse; this allows them to only have to maintain a tiny amount of images. Our company however are still buying machines adhoc for now, so i guess prices will creep up a little while we still buy that way.
Steve - don't you get tired of telling people they're wrong ?, it's getting a little old already :). Plus you're underestimating how organised i am, and how long. But i'm not the one arguing!, i'm quite happy that others do things differently to me.
It's not an argument it is a fact and you are a part of this discussion too so don't forget your part. I pointed out that Estuansis point has fault and it does, I stated that you and Sam would disagree and then you started the argument. You both take personal preference as your argument against fact. I personally don't care what you prefer to do as that is your choice but when you argue against fact it becomes miss leading, this is my point.
So you would be starting the argument when it comes right down to it. I like Sam's counter that you can find bad media well that works both ways but more so for mechanical devices.
It's up to you if you want to rehash this all over again.
Stevo :)
So in other words, if it's fact, and we disagree, then you're saying we are wrong?
This has always been a situational affair, it really does depend on the usage. I stated the conditionals earlier, also as fact. Someone who prefers to do something incorrectly still has their own opinion, it is just to make life harder for themselves because they prefer to do it. The human mind is not a wholly rational thing sometimes.
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10. November 2011 @ 12:42 |
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That reminds me, for TV series, i just use whatever 175MB/358MB/500ish MB are available 'out there' for the majority of my TV shows. After all it's the story ie the content of the shows i am interested in, not how crisp the images are/clarity of sound quality.
The only exception to this are two shows - Six Feet Under and Battlestar Galactica. The complete Six Feet series are in mkv's of 45GB or so in size (this was the the only easily accessible full set i could find of this show), Battlestar is all in 720p, 60ish GB, i wanted all of that show in nice quality for all the space/dark scenes.
LOL I think I have the same rip of Galactica Creaky. Excellent show BTW, one of my favorites in a long time. Commander/Admiral Adama is a stone-cold operator with no time for your BS :P
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Then you are doing something wrong as I too have tons of DVD's and BD's and it is not a pain, but then I keep organized. Hands done it is the safest way to go but like I said I use HDD's too but just not too safe to rely on ONLY even if you put a HDD away as backup one problem inserting it into your system and woo-la everything is gone.
Stevo :)
Optical media is basically the slowest, most awkward, most inconvenient way possible of storing your data, period. Sure, it's reliable, but so is writing all the 1s and 0s out on paper. That doesn't make it better. Also, to store my data, even on 50GB BDs, Would take 60 discs you can only write once, can't edit, read super slowly, etc etc. Making movie backups is one thing but what about all my other data that you can't just pop into the nearest disk player and watch? I stopped using disks for more reasons than just the increase in capacity... Also afaik re-writable disks have a questionable lifespan if you intend to actually re-write them. Not to mention it's a SLOWWWWWW process. A 2TB file transfer is bad enough at the top speed my disks can manage. I can't imagine doing that with multiple disks that take 10x the time.
I mean, I'll certainly admit they've got reliability and longevity, but disks simply are not suitable for my uses.
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even the 5/6gb 1080p rips?
tbh I onky have 320kbs mp3, not heard a 512kbs one, but 256 to me is the bare minimum I want to listen to
What a sad life you live :P Most of my music collection is lossless CD rips between about 1000 and 1400kbps. I mean sure I have a large chunk in 128/320 internet standard rips, but the average is say 800-900 on the middling quality stuff.
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10. November 2011 @ 12:49 |
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I have some FLACs in my collection, but honestly I can't really tell the difference in most cases between them and 320k MP3s, and FLACs are much more of a pain to play, they don't work with anywhere near as many programs, and this is infuriating. Nowadays the bulk of my music is in V0 or 320k.
I think you may be exaggerating slightly about the slowness of recorable bluray drives, but still, the sentiment is correct - for 3TB, using BD-Rs or BD-REs is an absolute farse.
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10. November 2011 @ 12:51 |
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well i listen mainly to independant artists, who release msuic via digital download, and so i am stuck with what i have been given.
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10. November 2011 @ 12:57 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by creaky:
I'll have to find out how this affects our parent company, it probably doesn't though; let's just say they're large enough that they can get manufacturers to put aside ludicrous amounts of laptops and desktops, and be supplied long after those models are superceded, to allow them to image machines en masse; this allows them to only have to maintain a tiny amount of images. Our company however are still buying machines adhoc for now, so i guess prices will creep up a little while we still buy that way.
Steve - don't you get tired of telling people they're wrong ?, it's getting a little old already :). Plus you're underestimating how organised i am, and how long. But i'm not the one arguing!, i'm quite happy that others do things differently to me.
It's not an argument it is a fact and you are a part of this discussion too so don't forget your part. I pointed out that Estuansis point has fault and it does, I stated that you and Sam would disagree and then you started the argument. You both take personal preference as your argument against fact. I personally don't care what you prefer to do as that is your choice but when you argue against fact it becomes miss leading, this is my point.
So you would be starting the argument when it comes right down to it. I like Sam's counter that you can find bad media well that works both ways but more so for mechanical devices.
It's up to you if you want to rehash this all over again.
Stevo :)
So in other words, if it's fact, and we disagree, then you're saying we are wrong?
This has always been a situational affair, it really does depend on the usage. I stated the conditionals earlier, also as fact. Someone who prefers to do something incorrectly still has their own opinion, it is just to make life harder for themselves because they prefer to do it. The human mind is not a wholly rational thing sometimes.
You are bending your facts and taking one situation to support you preference. The fact is that optical media is more secure if handled properly over hard drives handled properly. It is much easier to use hard drives and if done write it can be reliable so I totally understand why people choose that route and I do as well.
When it comes to choice and what you want to accept as a gamble it doesn't come down to right or wrong, you are taking it this too literally and then on the other hand using liberties to support your stance. But if you want to be wrong so be it.
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10. November 2011 @ 13:04 |
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I think it's a safe bet, that blu-ray media is gonna be selling more, due to hard drive costs increasing.
A good blu-ray disc costs 1 - 3USD. A terabyte drive can hold ~41 discs @ 22.5Gb. Given the price of 1Tb drives, people will consider BLU backups now. On the other hand, some people will grind their teeth and pay the serious premium.
The thing about hard drives, you really should be raid 1, or redundant in one form or another. I'm sorry, but I haven't had many coasters with optical media in my life. VERY Low failure rate actually :p Don't get me wrong. I'm not some kind of optical fanboy. I LOVE hard drives, but I do see optical media for what it is too. Pay attention to your burner, and media, and there really shouldn't be problems.
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10. November 2011 @ 13:32 |
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I can find non-printable good quality Philips media #04 for around $0.70 USD on a 25qty spindle and hub printable for $1.00 USD. That's not too bad and the Phillips jap#04 media is very good, not premium though of course. If I want glossy water shield media then the price jumps to around $3.00 USD.
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10. November 2011 @ 13:42 |
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I wouldn't call philips good media! I use it, and only had 1 bad due to burner. But scans reveal very bad burn quality(Not the burner). Longevity is very questionable for that media. As is typical with there media. I've tried their dvds in the past. Bad. Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden prove to be very good. I don't care too much about print quality. The burn quality is the most important.
The only good thing I see with the philips BD's is their compatibility is better than ritek. Only thing going for them. If you have good luck with them, more power to you :p
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10. November 2011 @ 13:56 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by creaky:
I'll have to find out how this affects our parent company, it probably doesn't though; let's just say they're large enough that they can get manufacturers to put aside ludicrous amounts of laptops and desktops, and be supplied long after those models are superceded, to allow them to image machines en masse; this allows them to only have to maintain a tiny amount of images. Our company however are still buying machines adhoc for now, so i guess prices will creep up a little while we still buy that way.
Steve - don't you get tired of telling people they're wrong ?, it's getting a little old already :). Plus you're underestimating how organised i am, and how long. But i'm not the one arguing!, i'm quite happy that others do things differently to me.
It's not an argument it is a fact and you are a part of this discussion too so don't forget your part. I pointed out that Estuansis point has fault and it does, I stated that you and Sam would disagree and then you started the argument. You both take personal preference as your argument against fact. I personally don't care what you prefer to do as that is your choice but when you argue against fact it becomes miss leading, this is my point.
So you would be starting the argument when it comes right down to it. I like Sam's counter that you can find bad media well that works both ways but more so for mechanical devices.
It's up to you if you want to rehash this all over again.
Stevo :)
You're definitely a character, that's for sure. I'm not even going to bother trying to figure out where or why you think i'm 'arguing against fact' and being 'misleading'. I know i'm a conspiracy theorist and everything but i didn't know i was stuck that deep inside George Orwell's 1984 yet, i have to say that i am completely (and genuinely) bemused by whatever it is that you're smoking! :)
Methinks i'll go back to lurking as you seem to like labelling someone describing what they do, and why they do it, as making/starting an argument (and being 'wrong').
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10. November 2011 @ 13:57 |
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The Velociraptor is definitely dying. Raw Read Error rate is very bad. And a long format "Did not complete Successfully". Opening a ticket with WD today. Yet another...(that makes two). I just hope a second RMA isn't frowned upon :S
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10. November 2011 @ 13:58 |
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Verbatim can be Phillips media as well as JVC, Memorex, Maxell, and so on..... What I'm speaking to is Media ID and the Phillips I'm speaking of is exactly the same results as the TY I use in the same price bracket. As a matter of fact some Verbatim in DVD+R's are horrible while other Verbatim's are very good. You should know this Kev as you post on Slysoft all the time. And it is thought that the Japanese produced media is better than other regions for manufacturing too, I've found this to bear true as well.
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10. November 2011 @ 14:03 |
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I've never seen a Verbatim with philips dye? Only CMC magnetics dyes. I realize it could be just about anything though. When I speak highly of Verbatim, I'm referring to their MCC 003/004 dyes. And taiyo yuden well, i've never seen them use other companies dyes. That would be just plain dumb.
PhilipR04 media is dire... VERY bad scans compared to "VERBAT-IMw", and Taiyo Yudens. I may be bashed for siting scans, as being notable. Believe what you will. But scans do tell a story. I doubt very much that the programmers made their software "for fun" LOL!
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10. November 2011 @ 14:04 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by creaky:
I'll have to find out how this affects our parent company, it probably doesn't though; let's just say they're large enough that they can get manufacturers to put aside ludicrous amounts of laptops and desktops, and be supplied long after those models are superceded, to allow them to image machines en masse; this allows them to only have to maintain a tiny amount of images. Our company however are still buying machines adhoc for now, so i guess prices will creep up a little while we still buy that way.
Steve - don't you get tired of telling people they're wrong ?, it's getting a little old already :). Plus you're underestimating how organised i am, and how long. But i'm not the one arguing!, i'm quite happy that others do things differently to me.
It's not an argument it is a fact and you are a part of this discussion too so don't forget your part. I pointed out that Estuansis point has fault and it does, I stated that you and Sam would disagree and then you started the argument. You both take personal preference as your argument against fact. I personally don't care what you prefer to do as that is your choice but when you argue against fact it becomes miss leading, this is my point.
So you would be starting the argument when it comes right down to it. I like Sam's counter that you can find bad media well that works both ways but more so for mechanical devices.
It's up to you if you want to rehash this all over again.
Stevo :)
You're definitely a character, that's for sure. I'm not even going to bother trying to figure out where or why you think i'm 'arguing against fact' and being 'misleading'. I know i'm a conspiracy theorist and everything but i didn't know i was stuck that deep inside George Orwell's 1984 yet, i have to say that i am completely (and genuinely) bemused by whatever it is that you're smoking! :)
Methinks i'll go back to lurking as you seem to like labelling someone describing what they do, and why they do it, as making/starting an argument (and being 'wrong').
/shakes head in confusion
You just don't get it, too bad or O'well. Don't shake too hard you might lose something of value... :)
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I've never seen a Verbatim with philips dye? Only CMC magnetics dyes. I realize it could be just about anything though. When I speak highly of Verbatim, I'm referring to their MCC 003/004 dyes. And taiyo yuden well, i've never seen them use other companies dyes. That would be just plain dumb.
PhilipR04 media is dire... VERY bad scans compared to "VERBAT-IMw", and Taiyo Yudens. I may be bashed for siting scans, as being notable. Believe what you will. But scans do tell a story. I doubt very much that the programmers made their software "for fun" LOL!
I do, like you, prefer TY but they are not the only good disc mfg out there. I can take my TY's and the dropouts will be roughly the same and they hold up over time the same so I don't know what to tell you. Just like ping rates people can get overly carried away by some of these stats, as long as you don't exceed or approach the acceptable rate derived by the standard you'll never notice the difference while watching the movie.
A premium media will perform better stat wise and hold up better over time no doubt there. Remember I aced the color test and have a very good ear so I know quality when I see it unlike some who scored 12 or higher. :) LOL
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10. November 2011 @ 14:29 |
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Double post sorry.... :(
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10. November 2011 @ 14:30 |
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Use what works for you man. I won't touch philips dvds with a ten foot pole. They blew it. And their BD's will likely be replaced shortly. I have a feeling that they won't last much longer than a year :(
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10. November 2011 @ 14:35 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Use what works for you man. I won't touch philips dvds with a ten foot pole. They blew it. And their BD's will likely be replaced shortly. I have a feeling that they won't last much longer than a year :(
Mine are lasting over two years now and work just as well as the first day I burned them, again what can I say... But if you have had a bad experience with them I fully understand and support not using them, they work great for me. :) I've had more problems with real Ridata media then the Phillip's.
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10. November 2011 @ 14:44 |
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Indeed. Ritek is really bad. I've had better scans with them, but the player prefers the worse scanning Philips to the bad scanning Ritek discs. The dyes are substantially different enough, to muck up the blu player. Though the riteks seem fine in BD-Rom drives. Glad to here they're lasting. Perhaps they'll outlive my expectations :)
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10. November 2011 @ 14:56 |
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My measures are as follows;
1) Do they burn without making coasters?
2) Do they play in all sorts of players?
3) Do the have problems with skipping and/or freezing?
3) Do they hold up over time and not degrade severely?
4) And since I typically use inkjet printable do they have a decent print surface that doesn't wash out and fade.
You're totally right though the media is not premium and there is much better media out there. I'm actually using them as a temporary storage and will replace them in a year or so. I would never suggest these be used for long term backup.
The Riteks I had wouldn't play well in all S/A ROM's plus they would CRC towards the end of burning. Now that could be due to a bad run at the plant or poor packaging and mishandling before they got to me.
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10. November 2011 @ 15:32 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by creaky:
I'll have to find out how this affects our parent company, it probably doesn't though; let's just say they're large enough that they can get manufacturers to put aside ludicrous amounts of laptops and desktops, and be supplied long after those models are superceded, to allow them to image machines en masse; this allows them to only have to maintain a tiny amount of images. Our company however are still buying machines adhoc for now, so i guess prices will creep up a little while we still buy that way.
Steve - don't you get tired of telling people they're wrong ?, it's getting a little old already :). Plus you're underestimating how organised i am, and how long. But i'm not the one arguing!, i'm quite happy that others do things differently to me.
It's not an argument it is a fact and you are a part of this discussion too so don't forget your part. I pointed out that Estuansis point has fault and it does, I stated that you and Sam would disagree and then you started the argument. You both take personal preference as your argument against fact. I personally don't care what you prefer to do as that is your choice but when you argue against fact it becomes miss leading, this is my point.
So you would be starting the argument when it comes right down to it. I like Sam's counter that you can find bad media well that works both ways but more so for mechanical devices.
It's up to you if you want to rehash this all over again.
Stevo :)
You're definitely a character, that's for sure. I'm not even going to bother trying to figure out where or why you think i'm 'arguing against fact' and being 'misleading'. I know i'm a conspiracy theorist and everything but i didn't know i was stuck that deep inside George Orwell's 1984 yet, i have to say that i am completely (and genuinely) bemused by whatever it is that you're smoking! :)
Methinks i'll go back to lurking as you seem to like labelling someone describing what they do, and why they do it, as making/starting an argument (and being 'wrong').
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It's happened several times before, when large amounts of mechanical storage get brought up, occasionally MrMovies will pop up asserting that it's 'fact' that optical media is better in all cases. There's no real point arguing with it, because all logic and sense goes out the window to protect this 'fact'.
As for the media brands, Verbatim may make decent DVDs, but stay well away from their CD-Rs, about 60% of all the Verbatim CD-Rs I've bought over the last 5 years in various types have all been coasters, whereas the no-name basic brand discs work absolutely fine. You can tell if you have a bad batch as you can see straight through the green recording material right through to the other side.
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10. November 2011 @ 15:36 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Most of my 1080p rips are some 6-9GB and look fine on my TV. Ofc the 15GB rip is going to have better quality but considering it's already HD I'm just nitpicking. I usually go for middling quality rips vs high quality ones due entirely to storage space. The vast majority of my collection is 720p rips at 5GB and under and they honestly look fine.
What do you use to play the video you have on your HDD? I use Western Digital Live Plus, and I love it. I currently have two 2TB HDD's now going on a to a third.
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10. November 2011 @ 16:05 |
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Sam, using semi-transparent recordable media is a bad idea. Some of my first Rips were semi-transparent. They tend to not read very well. Or atleast in the early DVD burning era.
Were you burning them at max/default speed? That's also a bad idea. Never used verbatim CD-R's. The CD-rs I have used, all read fine today. Other than a ritek batch I got one time. They had green splotches on many of the discs recording surfaces. Now that's bad. Ritek should be ashamed!
We should probably continue any more comments pertaining to recordable media, in the scan thread. I apologize. I feel somewhat responsible for the path this thread has taken.
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On a different note, I think I'm going to get that 60GB Patriot SATA-III SSD I've been looking at for several months now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a...#scrollFullInfo
My 160GB Seagate is slowly dying, and with the current cost of HDDs having gone to the moon, I figure it is time. I have 6 SATA-III ports on my motherboard, so I might as well start using them. My current boot drive partition is only 48.8GB, and I usually have about 18GB available, so I figure a 60GB SSD should do just fine. Is there anything special I need to know when installing it? I haven't had to set up AHCI in over 4 years, so I'm a bit rusty at it. My only concern is the motherboard manual says I need a USB Floppy drive to install the required software. I'm hoping that a USB Flash drive will do the trick, because there is no floppy port on the motherboard, and I don't have a USB Floppy drive! Any suggestions?
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10. November 2011 @ 16:27 |
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That's only ever necessary for AHCI RAID, so the array can be visible before windows boots. With a solo drive, none of it is necessary, plug and play, basically.
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10. November 2011 @ 16:30 |
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I bet you can use a CD to install it. It appears you will need to purchase a bracket to fit in a 3.5 slot. Also, make sure you turn off Windows defrag for that drive, since you will have Trim.
I could be wrong, but I thought Win7 installed mine with no problems.
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10. November 2011 @ 16:33 |
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Yeah, not many cases come with native 2.5" bays or the appropriate adapters. Fortunately, a lot of cases let you remove the tool-less bay brackets and find screw holes underneath, so that's often one way of attaching them (though only on one side of course).
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