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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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14. November 2011 @ 22:09 |
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14. November 2011 @ 22:22 |
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That's the same file I posted but from a different place, thanks though. I don't think you're blind or deaf if you have a player you like and it still works good for all of the new media types, there is no reason to change unless you want to try something new.
Russ spoke of GOM and than this player as an alternative that is lite on your system, not a resource hog, and that is why we were discussing it, plus it is free which is a real plus! TMT is a resource hog and so is PowerDVD and so many others as well. I use to use PowerDVD but it got bad in my opinion. I switched to TMT and like it but still don't totally like it so I'm always looking for alternatives. Russ hit a good one here for a free player just like VLC this player works very well.
Well that's my slant...
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14. November 2011 @ 23:26 |
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
Haven't tried it yet but his should be a direct download for the latest x64 english version http://www.dvbsupport.net/download/index.php?act=view&id=236
Maybe I'm half blind and deaf but I've been using the same media player (I update codecs) for around 10 years now and still can't think of any reason to update.
Red_Maw,
You sound like you are old enough to be a Jackie Evancho Fan! LOL!!
Just Kidding,
Russ
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15. November 2011 @ 20:04 |
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Well, I just bought my new SSD.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220602
It's promptly stuck me in a spot. I have what says Win7 Ultimate on the package, and it turns out to be an upgrade for Win7 Ultimate. You can't upgrade XP-Pro or Win7 Home Basic with it! What I actually need is Win7 Pro, because that's the only version listed that offers an XP Compatibility mode. Of course the damn thing is $250! LOL!!
Looks like I'll be using XP-Pro for a while yet. Bummer, I was looking forward to having the same software (Win7 Ultimate 64 bit) as the new laptop, for compatibility.
Is there anything I need to know about a SATA III SSD and XP-Pro, because I don't know a thing about them, except this one is fast! TIA
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15. November 2011 @ 20:22 |
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That's too bad what a bummer.... The SandForce SF-2281 is a very good chip so you'll have a very fast SSD wish I could afford one right now but unfortunately my piece of crap HP notebook just went down and now my next purchase will be a new piece of crap notebook that is cheap.
Way to go Russ,
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15. November 2011 @ 22:13 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Well, I just bought my new SSD.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220602
It's promptly stuck me in a spot. I have what says Win7 Ultimate on the package, and it turns out to be an upgrade for Win7 Ultimate. You can't upgrade XP-Pro or Win7 Home Basic with it! What I actually need is Win7 Pro, because that's the only version listed that offers an XP Compatibility mode. Of course the damn thing is $250! LOL!!
Looks like I'll be using XP-Pro for a while yet. Bummer, I was looking forward to having the same software (Win7 Ultimate 64 bit) as the new laptop, for compatibility.
Is there anything I need to know about a SATA III SSD and XP-Pro, because I don't know a thing about them, except this one is fast! TIA
Russ
go download a copy of W7 Ultimate then Bitch slap MS for being such crooked bastards by using W7 Loader to activate the installation.
i did 3 years ago and I'm glad i did. i got burnt on a 267 dollar Vista Pro, i said to hell with them like i was giving em another $267 Bucks. been running the questionably acquired OS 3 years and have yet to be hit with a non genuine message.
the way i see it, you've done paid the highwaymen russ. if the greedy fools want to double dip burn there bridge to the ground.
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15. November 2011 @ 22:34 |
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That's true Russ and if you want to run Windows 7 Professional you can use the miniKMS to keep it activated, it works seamlessly. You've paid for Windows so if you change from Ultimate to Professional or better yet Enterprise, or a loader with Ultimate you should still be good.
DXR88 has a great point!
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16. November 2011 @ 00:54 |
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Not sure which SSD i'll be getting yet. Perhaps the Corsair Vertex 3. I like what I'm seeing. The 120Gb is what I need. The price is agreeable. But I'm really nervous about how cutting edge the technology still is. I would have thought most of the bugs would be worked out by now. But perhaps they have, and there are fools out there ;) I figured I'd get more ambitious about reading SSD forums, when I actually buy one. Jump right in, Right? LOL!
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16. November 2011 @ 03:26 |
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Weeee got my Christmas seasonal job. Now comes the hard part, Sandy Bridge, or an SSD... choices... XD
Omega, I'm still not sure about SSDs. Obviously the majority have some big drawbacks, but some series seem to escape most of it. Particularly, Sam is using an Intel X25-V Series drive which isn't very high end, but proves that good drives can be made. IIRC it also had some higher performance cousins.
I think we need some more enlightenment.
Sam, what are the currently known good SSD models? Not from review ratings on vendor sites but from your own research.
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16. November 2011 @ 03:51 |
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I rate the Intel SSDs over the vast majority of the alternatives. They don't have the highest sequential speeds or GB/$ but they're solidly the most reliable, and their random data performance (which is the reason SSDs are fast in the first place) is excellent. The newest SSDs based on up to date Sandforce controllers also score well here, but it's a bit of a product quality minefield of who you go with. OCZ are not the best brand in this regard, even though they're probably the most popular.
I have the old entry level Intel SSD in my gaming PC, a 40GB X25-V, it's only rated for 35MB/s sequential write and something like 150MB/s sequential read, yet it will manage that 35MB/s almost no matter how small the files are, because the IOPS performance is good. The bigger and newer Intels score far better as they have full-size controllers. Ftr, I still load the small number of games on this SSD about as fast as anyone - other than for extra space, I honestly don't see why people would buy anything else. For £70 this was better value than any Raptor I bought. Back in the day, 37GB Raptors were considerably faster than the run of the mill 7200rpm drives with 8MB cache, but even if you have a high-end Caviar Black, proper SSDs just leave them standing.
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16. November 2011 @ 03:52 |
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I believe sam recommended me an intel before. Fact of the matter is, I bought one. But they sent me the wrong drive. Or rather Intel had packaged the wrong drive in the wrong box. It was a total cluster F#$K up LOL! I received a 1.8" drive, where I ordered a 2.5. Newegg reimbursed me, and I just put off SSD once again. I always seem to run into financial situations :S
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16. November 2011 @ 03:53 |
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That's bad luck, but you can't really blame the SSDs for retailer incompetence :P
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16. November 2011 @ 03:58 |
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No no. I understand that stuff happens from time to time. I'm finally in a situation where I can get one though. Honestly I don't believe the read/write performance is the most important factor. Much like you said, IOPS is very good, as is most SSD's. I suppose I could settle for a smaller drive. But I know I'm gonna regret it down the road. I'm currently using over 63Gb, and I know I could easily put another 40Gb on there. I suppose Games really don't benefit from being on the SSD's that much. Perhaps GTA IV might get a performance boost in load times.
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16. November 2011 @ 04:07 |
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AFAIK my WD1001FALS is still a fairly high-end drive in its class. It's just my OS/programs on one partition at the outer edge of the disk, then some 700GB of low disk usage storage. Gives me very reasonable response :)
Games are actually one of the 500GB Barracudas. Very adequate drives for most stuff.
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16. November 2011 @ 04:07 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I rate the Intel SSDs over the vast majority of the alternatives. They don't have the highest sequential speeds or GB/$ but they're solidly the most reliable, and their random data performance (which is the reason SSDs are fast in the first place) is excellent. The newest SSDs based on up to date Sandforce controllers also score well here, but it's a bit of a product quality minefield of who you go with. OCZ are not the best brand in this regard, even though they're probably the most popular.
I have the old entry level Intel SSD in my gaming PC, a 40GB X25-V, it's only rated for 35MB/s sequential write and something like 150MB/s sequential read, yet it will manage that 35MB/s almost no matter how small the files are, because the IOPS performance is good. The bigger and newer Intels score far better as they have full-size controllers. Ftr, I still load the small number of games on this SSD about as fast as anyone - other than for extra space, I honestly don't see why people would buy anything else. For £70 this was better value than any Raptor I bought. Back in the day, 37GB Raptors were considerably faster than the run of the mill 7200rpm drives with 8MB cache, but even if you have a high-end Caviar Black, proper SSDs just leave them standing.
Sam,
Judging by the specs on the one I bought, I should run away and hide from them! LOL!!
Max Sequential Read
Up to 520MB/s
Max Sequential Write
Up to 490MB/s
4KB Random Write
Up to 80,000 IOPS
I'm guessing that I'm the first one here who is buying the Patriot Pyros, so we'll all get to know if it's any good after I install it. From what I've read about the drive, most get those kind of numbers out of them. Sounds Blurry fast to me.
Question: Will trim work with 64 bit XP-Pro?
Best Regards,
Russ
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16. November 2011 @ 04:15 |
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Very interesting, but I'm imagining they're monster expensive yes? I'm looking more mid-end maybe $200 max for a really exceptional drive with decent space. Reliability and lifespan are also a concern for me. I use my drives 24/7 because my machines Fold@Home. I've had something like 99% uptime for the last 4 years lol.
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16. November 2011 @ 04:29 |
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Generally speaking you should get shot of XP as soon as you can, that's nothing to do with functionality and like/dislike of XP, the older OS doesn't have the proper automatic safeguards to prevent excessive cycle usage, enable TRIM and so on. There are ways of doing this, but compared to Vista/7, it's a bit of a tedious process.
By specification that drive seems good, but you'd have to check some real world transfer benchmarks to see if that many IOPS hold up at the 4K level in the real world. A high IOPS count and a high continuous transfer rate don't always meet in the middle for a high random speed. Typically speaking most good modern SSDs manage between 10K and 20K IOPS at 4K Random write, so the 80K figure is very suspicious.
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16. November 2011 @ 07:35 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Generally speaking you should get shot of XP as soon as you can, that's nothing to do with functionality and like/dislike of XP, the older OS doesn't have the proper automatic safeguards to prevent excessive cycle usage, enable TRIM and so on. There are ways of doing this, but compared to Vista/7, it's a bit of a tedious process.
By specification that drive seems good, but you'd have to check some real world transfer benchmarks to see if that many IOPS hold up at the 4K level in the real world. A high IOPS count and a high continuous transfer rate don't always meet in the middle for a high random speed. Typically speaking most good modern SSDs manage between 10K and 20K IOPS at 4K Random write, so the 80K figure is very suspicious.
Sam,
You are right it is suspicious. I went and looked on their website, and it's 60,000 IOPS, not the 80,000 listed on Newegg. They do make one that is rated 85,000, that costs $24 more. Both use the SandForce SF-2281 controller, so I'll let you know how it all works after I install it.
Russ
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16. November 2011 @ 07:38 |
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Well XP is getting a bit long in the tooth but that doesn't prevent me from using it. Is still the main OS for my Intel drive box.
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16. November 2011 @ 08:06 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Weeee got my Christmas seasonal job. Now comes the hard part, Sandy Bridge, or an SSD... choices... XD
Omega, I'm still not sure about SSDs. Obviously the majority have some big drawbacks, but some series seem to escape most of it. Particularly, Sam is using an Intel X25-V Series drive which isn't very high end, but proves that good drives can be made. IIRC it also had some higher performance cousins.
I think we need some more enlightenment.
Sam, what are the currently known good SSD models? Not from review ratings on vendor sites but from your own research.
I'd go with the SandyBridge and then add an SSD down the road. They will drop in price and hopefully be even better.
I think Russ went the right path and OCZ scares me the most of the SSD's but I would buy an OCZ if the price was right. The Intel's are what I was looking at first and I would still consider them, I think they are the most solid as it seem Sam has stated.
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16. November 2011 @ 09:04 |
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Yep AFAIK the Intel units are the only ones with a fairly clean track record. Everything else is plagued with issues be they widespread or hardware-specific. Specifically the OCZ Sandforce controllers are supposed to have the best performance by far, but the drives are so wrought with issues it's hardly even worth trying.
Of course there's the off chance that it really is all in the set-up and a lot of poorly rated drives are actually exquisite.
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my first gen sandforce corsair f60 is treating me well, and had been for quite a while now
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16. November 2011 @ 22:02 |
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That's one I've been eye balling too. I've seen it as low as $249 so I'm sure it will drop some soon, maybe around Christmas? The Corsair and Russ's were also on my pallet of things to consider. But now I have to consider a new notebook, I'll probably go cheap this time as my Special Edition HP was just a Special Piece of Crap. No More HP!!
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
That's one I've been eye balling too. I've seen it as low as $249 so I'm sure it will drop some soon, maybe around Christmas? The Corsair and Russ's were also on my pallet of things to consider. But now I have to consider a new notebook, I'll probably go cheap this time as my Special Edition HP was just a Special Piece of Crap. No More HP!!
Stevo,
The new drive works fine except there is no way to install the AHCI drivers. The only way to do it with XP is with a floppy drive. Even then, all I can find is an external floppy, and I'm not so sure you can make an "A" drive out of it. No "A" drive, no AHCI. I'm going to have to hunt and see if I can find or borrow a PCI controller card, and just install it temporary.
Even without AHCI it still reads at 400MB/s and writes about 260MB/s. I may just say the hell with it and leave it as it is.
Russ
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