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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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5. December 2011 @ 21:58 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
DXR88,
I would have agreed to a lot of BSODs with the Windows 7 Home Basic I originally had installed, but so far, Win 7 Professional is much more stable than XP ever was, and I've been using XP-Pro for over 8 years. The only BSOD I have seen with Win 7 was when I tried to re-install Win 7 Pro, without wiping the drive first. 99% of my x86 programs work fine in Win 7, and I've had no driver issues at all. I liked 64 Bit XP-Pro, but drivers were always the issue. I'm just hoping that PeerGuardian2 comes out with a Win 7 64 bit version.
BTW I've found a very good viewer that plays .gif files. In fact it plays many file types that Windows Photo Viewer doesn't recognize. It's a lot like Irfanview, but much easier to use.
http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm
Best Regards,
Russ
perhaps its an issue with lower tier W7 editions then, i've got W7 Ultimate x64 and haven't had nary an issue that wasn't my own fault.
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5. December 2011 @ 22:22 |
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And I have with ALL flavors except Starter which I haven't dealt with much. It's not the version you have as much as it is their restructuring!
And it is not something I'm doing or others from my experience. If I go back to XP on the same hardware I won't have issues!!
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6. December 2011 @ 00:09 |
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I had more issues with XP than windows 7 ultimate 64-bit(SP1) :S The only bugs I've seen with 7, were my own doing. Not suggesting a problem doesn't exist. Because I'm sure under the right circumstances, even linux could become unstable. All it takes is the right set of circumstances ;)
The windows 7 beta I would compare to XP. The beta had a few problems, which could be expected. 7 ultimate(SP1) though? I have yet to experience a serious issue.
Russ, that's really weird that reinstalling gives you hell. When I do, I've never used killdisk before the process. I just delete all partitions on the drive, and tell it to install. Not once have I had an issue. Perhaps different hard drives/equipment behave differently.
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6. December 2011 @ 00:37 |
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I got my new Acer 17.3 i5 Notebook about a week ago now and it is nice. The first thing i did was pull the hard drive out before powering it up and did a sector backup of the drive which took 10+ hours using Acronis True Image Home. It actually has a second drive bay in it with a SATA connector the only problem is the cover for the bay would have to be replaced or modified to get a second HDD in there. I will try a second drive in it without the bay cover before pursuing further modifications though, when I add (3) sticks of RAM to load it up with 16GB's. I also built a system restore disc set using Acer's restore tool and now I just need to backup a couple more things and I'll be fully set to wipe all of the Acer nonsense off and install a clean OS.
It doesn't seem much faster than my old Turion 64 X2 TL-60 HP but then I haven't played with it enough to make any serious conclusions. The new 16:9 17" screens sure are wide I think I'd prefer a 16:10 to give me a little more hight and less width, better for surfing too.
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6. December 2011 @ 01:15 |
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LOL! Gotta keep it simple stupid. Apparently, in order for C1E and/or Cool&quiet to work, I can't have the "Power plan" set for high performance. Go figure LOL! I installed "easy saver" today, from the gigabyte driver disk. My guess is it overwrote my power plan. Because it set the plan to balanced. Which told it to sleep after 30 min, and display to shut off after 10. I came home after work, and it was asleep. I was like, what! LOL! Lesson learned ;)
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6. December 2011 @ 01:54 |
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MS did muck up the power plans but once you know what to tweak they work fine. Nice that you had the driver disc that would do it for you.
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6. December 2011 @ 02:13 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I had more issues with XP than windows 7 ultimate 64-bit(SP1) :S The only bugs I've seen with 7, were my own doing. Not suggesting a problem doesn't exist. Because I'm sure under the right circumstances, even linux could become unstable. All it takes is the right set of circumstances ;)
The windows 7 beta I would compare to XP. The beta had a few problems, which could be expected. 7 ultimate(SP1) though? I have yet to experience a serious issue.
Russ, that's really weird that reinstalling gives you hell. When I do, I've never used killdisk before the process. I just delete all partitions on the drive, and tell it to install. Not once have I had an issue. Perhaps different hard drives/equipment behave differently.
Oman7,
I don't know. It wouldn't start from the boot, but go right into windows, even if you used the F12 Boot from menu. It would start to read the disk, and then start windows. I never gave a thought to just erasing the files.
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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6. December 2011 @ 02:30 |
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Agreed, I find Windows 7 a lot more stable and more resilient to false shutdowns etc. than XP ever was.
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7. December 2011 @ 17:06 |
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7. December 2011 @ 18:02 |
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I've run 23 WD Green drives, all in a 24/7 environment, and so far so good with all of them. I don't see why the 3TB models would be any different.
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7. December 2011 @ 18:16 |
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7. December 2011 @ 19:10 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I've run 23 WD Green drives, all in a 24/7 environment, and so far so good with all of them. I don't see why the 3TB models would be any different.
Sam,
I just did a quick check on Newegg, checking the failure rate on 3TB drives. The 3 most popular drives from the 3 manufacturers. It's fair information because all that had one egg, involved at least one DOA. Surprisingly, Seagate had the lowest percentage of failures at 19% (13 of 70). Next came Hitachi at 20% (42 of 213). Last came WD at 37% (25 of 67).
This does not include replacement drives that arrived DOA, or went belly up shortly after installation. I see very good reason for Kevin to be concerned. I know I would be!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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8. December 2011 @ 02:24 |
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67 reviews isn't exactly very many compared to other drives which may have thousands of reviews, and we still have to apply the newegg review bias.
I know for a fact that the 2TB drives I use carried a 35% 2 eggs or less rating at one stage, yet despite owning 11 of them, I've not had any issues with any.
There's always risks with buying any data storage product, but I see no evidence that the 3TB drives carry any higher risk than others.
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8. December 2011 @ 05:59 |
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Originally posted by Thermaltake:
All Standard 2.5? or 3.5? SATA & SSD Hard Drives in ALL Capacities (per slot)
Russ, They seem to contradict their statements. They say it supports up to 2Tb, but then they say the above, under 'specification'.
I already have a Thermaltake single dock. It supports my 2Tb greens. I bought it when 3Tb drives were eeking their way out on to the market. So it's highly unlikely that mine will support the 3Tb drives ;)
Having had two Velociraptors go belly up, I'm a little concerned. Given they're not very old though, I won't worry too much just yet. I do see a curious hiccup with both 3Tb drives, when playing back Blu-ray's from the drives. RIGHT when I begin playing, it stutters. But then it doesn't do it anymore. I suppose it could be the way the player interacts with the drive though. It all amounts to coding I'm sure.
Hmm, apparently it doesn't wanna do it, now that I've said that :S Doesn't that figure LOL!
I worry, because I do a lot of video editing with high definition. Both of my green drives are busy in the process. One reads, the other writes and reads simultaneously. I alternate them for new processes. I plan on making my remaining black drive, the simultaneous read/write drive. Need to get my replacement raptor in the tower. At the very least, be sure I didn't get another lemon. Surely not! 3rd time has to be the charm :D
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8. December 2011 @ 06:56 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Originally posted by Thermaltake:
All Standard 2.5? or 3.5? SATA & SSD Hard Drives in ALL Capacities (per slot)
Russ, They seem to contradict their statements. They say it supports up to 2Tb, but then they say the above, under 'specification'.
I already have a Thermaltake single dock. It supports my 2Tb greens. I bought it when 3Tb drives were eeking their way out on to the market. So it's highly unlikely that mine will support the 3Tb drives ;)
Having had two Velociraptors go belly up, I'm a little concerned. Given they're not very old though, I won't worry too much just yet. I do see a curious hiccup with both 3Tb drives, when playing back Blu-ray's from the drives. RIGHT when I begin playing, it stutters. But then it doesn't do it anymore. I suppose it could be the way the player interacts with the drive though. It all amounts to coding I'm sure.
Hmm, apparently it doesn't wanna do it, now that I've said that :S Doesn't that figure LOL!
I worry, because I do a lot of video editing with high definition. Both of my green drives are busy in the process. One reads, the other writes and reads simultaneously. I alternate them for new processes. I plan on making my remaining black drive, the simultaneous read/write drive. Need to get my replacement raptor in the tower. At the very least, be sure I didn't get another lemon. Surely not! 3rd time has to be the charm :D
If you want my honest opinion, I don't think WD Velociraptors are very good. With the advent of modern SSDs and the hard disk famine, they're also now wholly redundant. I wouldn't judge the rest of WD's product lineup based on the success or failure of that range.
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8. December 2011 @ 07:06 |
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My raptor purchased in 2006 is still going strong. It used to be my OS drive, but is now a data drive, used for Blu-Ray ripping.
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8. December 2011 @ 07:18 |
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Yeah likewise my 37GB drives were excellent, but they're not velociraptors...
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8. December 2011 @ 08:33 |
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Yep, mine neither.
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8. December 2011 @ 08:39 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
67 reviews isn't exactly very many compared to other drives which may have thousands of reviews, and we still have to apply the newegg review bias.
I know for a fact that the 2TB drives I use carried a 35% 2 eggs or less rating at one stage, yet despite owning 11 of them, I've not had any issues with any.
There's always risks with buying any data storage product, but I see no evidence that the 3TB drives carry any higher risk than others.
Sam,
There's no bias to consider. There were a total of 80 DOAs out of 350 sold. I didn't even bother to look at 2 eggs, but probably a few more DOAs there as well. Plus there were a good number that involved multiple RMAs. 3TB is not quite ready for "Prime Time" yet! Hell, I'm just starting to consider a 1TB for myself now. Right now the prices are very high, but they will come down because no one is buying much in the way of drives at the moment. I put a Price Notification on Newegg for a 1TB WD Black for $119, and a $79 one on the second place finisher Seagate. Which ever one get's to their price first, I buy!
BTW! I owe you an apology, about the BSODs. It was one of those posts that had a lot of replies, and you know how that can get. Sorry for the mistaken ID.
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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8. December 2011 @ 08:43 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by sammorris:
67 reviews isn't exactly very many compared to other drives which may have thousands of reviews, and we still have to apply the newegg review bias.
I know for a fact that the 2TB drives I use carried a 35% 2 eggs or less rating at one stage, yet despite owning 11 of them, I've not had any issues with any.
There's always risks with buying any data storage product, but I see no evidence that the 3TB drives carry any higher risk than others.
Sam,
There's no bias to consider. There were a total of 80 DOAs out of 350 sold. I didn't even bother to look at 2 eggs, but probably a few more DOAs there as well. Plus there were a good number that involved multiple RMAs. 3TB is not quite ready for "Prime Time" yet! Hell, I'm just starting to consider a 1TB for myself now. Right now the prices are very high, but they will come down because no one is buying much in the way of drives at the moment. I put a Price Notification on Newegg for a 1TB WD Black for $119, and a $79 one on the second place finisher Seagate. Which ever one get's to their price first, I buy!
BTW! I owe you an apology, about the BSODs. It was one of those posts that had a lot of replies, and you know how that can get. Sorry for the mistaken ID.
Russ
Where are you getting Newegg's official returns data, down to the specifics of DOA / long-term faults? I wouldn't have thought they'd disclose that information. Besides, they will have sold well in excess of 350 of the 3TB drives, more like thousands or tens of thousands. If you're just going by the reviews, again, you will find exactly the same statistics on pretty much every modern hard drive - reviews suggest a 25% DOA rate - the reality is actually much lower, due to the silent majority that do not bother to write a review of a functional product.
If this level of fault rate dictated 'not ready for prime time' then nobody should ever buy a single mechanical disk drive, as none of them would be...
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8. December 2011 @ 08:54 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by sammorris:
67 reviews isn't exactly very many compared to other drives which may have thousands of reviews, and we still have to apply the newegg review bias.
I know for a fact that the 2TB drives I use carried a 35% 2 eggs or less rating at one stage, yet despite owning 11 of them, I've not had any issues with any.
There's always risks with buying any data storage product, but I see no evidence that the 3TB drives carry any higher risk than others.
Sam,
There's no bias to consider. There were a total of 80 DOAs out of 350 sold. I didn't even bother to look at 2 eggs, but probably a few more DOAs there as well. Plus there were a good number that involved multiple RMAs. 3TB is not quite ready for "Prime Time" yet! Hell, I'm just starting to consider a 1TB for myself now. Right now the prices are very high, but they will come down because no one is buying much in the way of drives at the moment. I put a Price Notification on Newegg for a 1TB WD Black for $119, and a $79 one on the second place finisher Seagate. Which ever one get's to their price first, I buy!
Russ
TigerDirect has a Seagate 1.5GB for $69.99, which I just purchased.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications...sku=TSD-1500AS2
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8. December 2011 @ 08:57 |
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Must be an old item number they forgot to change the price of, you don't see drives that cheap any more!
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8. December 2011 @ 13:15 |
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People on NewEgg tend to be boneheads so I NEVER rely on there reviews. If you look at the manufacturer failure rates they are all below 1%. Now those numbers could be skewed but still that is excellent for their warranted period. It can be a problem though after that warranty period.
It is true that WD VR's can be a problem I build plenty of servers for customers that would only use Seagate Enterprise drives after having all sorts of problems with Velociraptors.
I hate to agree with Sam as we don't seem to see things the same but I must here. LOL
Sorry Russ,
Stevo :)
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8. December 2011 @ 13:22 |
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I used an old raptor for transferring of blu-ray files before. I ended up selling it on leachbay.
I imagine the failure rate of a drive surpassing 3 months is fairly low. I just hope I can get more drives for redundancy before they do fail. Failure is inevitable. Just a matter of when. 10yrs? I can certainly hope :D
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8. December 2011 @ 13:35 |
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If you run the higher speed drives 24/7 I would be ready to replace them every 5-6 years which is when they get out of warranty and start to have problems.
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