The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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mfx2009
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23. December 2011 @ 13:19 |
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Originally posted by Ketola: Originally posted by mfx2009: Can someone help me. I want to build a new pc as an upgrade to my current set up. I'm using an intel D945 dual core @ 3.4ghz. I haven't built a pc for a few years now and want to know what cpu's are faster. I believe xeon is a better choice but is getting dated. I don't want to spend a huge amount either. Thanks
Xeon is not a good choice for a desktop computer unless you have specific needs for multi-CPU, multi-core setup. With Xeon you need ECC memory.
You might want to take a look at THG's CPU charts. You can pick which performance you want to emphasize and see which CPUs perform the best for that specific task.
In any case you pretty much need to build a new computer from scratch, since you can't really upgrade an LGA775 motherboard anymore.
The key points IMO for getting a snappy computer are (assuming you run Windows):
* SSD drive for booting and OS
* at least 4GB memory, preferably 8GB
* Windows 7 64bit
After that the CPU and GPU specs depend on what you want to do. For general desktop use, you'll do just fine with an Intel Core i3-2100 or AMD Athlon II X2 255. Do some Photoshopping, rendering, video encoding? Bigger is better. =)
Thanks for the detailed reply. I think i will use a gigabyte board and go for an i5 or i7. Thanks everyone. ill let you know how it goes.
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mfx2009
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23. December 2011 @ 13:24 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs: Originally posted by mfx2009: Can someone help me. I want to build a new pc as an upgrade to my current set up. I'm using an intel D945 dual core @ 3.4ghz. I haven't built a pc for a few years now and want to know what cpu's are faster. I believe xeon is a better choice but is getting dated. I don't want to spend a huge amount either. Thanks
mfx2009
I think the most important thing to know is what do you want to do with your computer, and then price out the best quality you can afford, from what will work best for you. If you are thinking about a particular component, google it and see what others have to say about it. There are also places you don't go cheap on, like Power Supplies. $15 PSUs are not going to do it. Avoid them like the Plague!
You could also take a look at "Bare Bones" kits, and check out the components offered. You can do surprisingly well with the right combination of parts. A good place to start would be www.newegg.com there's a lot of information available there.
Best Regards,
Russ
Thanks for the tip on the power supply. I always have a stock sitting about but i'm selling 3 old PC's and 2 Old Laptops and starting afresh with the latest gear. Im already running Windows 7 64 Bit Ultimate and Photoshop CS5 so i have the latest software but just need the hardware to back it up.
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23. December 2011 @ 14:26 |
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Ive had nothing but trouble from the latest Asus products, oddly enough there budget sister company ASrock out performs them on many levels including durability.
if your on a budget grab an ASrock board you wont regret it, if you can lay down 130+ bucks get a Gigabyte board.
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24. December 2011 @ 12:29 |
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Merry Christmas to the whole gang.
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27. December 2011 @ 20:49 |
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28. December 2011 @ 01:56 |
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It's a 2 disc CD set on USB for $111, not a good deal even if you like Lady Gaga, if you ask me.
You can buy it much cheaper here on CD's or MP3's if you are into it (her);
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28. December 2011 @ 04:51 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies: It's a 2 disc CD set on USB for $111, not a good deal even if you like Lady Gaga, if you ask me.
You can buy it much cheaper here on CD's or MP3's if you are into it (her);
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Mr-Movies,
I meant the Media itself. I already know what it contains1 LOL!! The discussion we are having on Amazon is someone posted that the CD will be replaced with an electronic USB device that replicates a CD, DVD or BluRay disc, using flash memory, in 2012. That's not going to happen. I know you can play a DVD on a Flash Drive, but Flash Drives are not designed for continuous use, and would wear out fairly fast if continuously used that way. What it will require is SSD Nand memory, and a controller to manage garbage control, bad sectors,RAISE, etc! There's no way that Sales for SSDs are suddenly going to take off, for at least another year, until after the 2012 National Election, so development will be slow until there's more money in the economy. I think it will be 5 years before CDs are replaced with a Media Stick, and longer for DVD and BluRay. That's my opinion, anyway. What do you think?
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Russ
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28. December 2011 @ 12:01 |
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Russ,
I would agree with that fully USB sticks are far from reliable, slow, and really should only be used for temporary use. A SSD is too expensive and also comes with it's issues, I don't see that changing for at least 5 years as well. My other concerns would be, are they going to use these new platforms to use newer nasty protections from use much like iTunes does where you can only use your music on a total of 5 devices (computers).
Another point to consider is how do you keep track of the very small flash drives that they make now. There really isn't much real-estate to label them unless they purposely make them larger. This will be a real negative for the marketing chaps who would like to have advertising room.
It's funny I got two new 8GB USB sticks from Micro Center here in town and I've only used one of them a half dozen times before having to throw the thing out as it has gone bad already. This is more a fault of Micro Center as the sell some really poor crap and I typically won't buy memory they have branded theirs. I do have other flash sticks that have lasted years with minimal problems.
They could use an EPROM style flash that was write once and than only read, I would think that could hold up for many years but again will it perform well enough for music. If it was read only it could avoid the problems a normal flash drive experiences.
Well that's my two centavo's,
Stevo
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28. December 2011 @ 13:25 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies: Russ,
I would agree with that fully USB sticks are far from reliable, slow, and really should only be used for temporary use. A SSD is too expensive and also comes with it's issues, I don't see that changing for at least 5 years as well. My other concerns would be, are they going to use these new platforms to use newer nasty protections from use much like iTunes does where you can only use your music on a total of 5 devices (computers).
Another point to consider is how do you keep track of the very small flash drives that they make now. There really isn't much real-estate to label them unless they purposely make them larger. This will be a real negative for the marketing chaps who would like to have advertising room.
It's funny I got two new 8GB USB sticks from Micro Center here in town and I've only used one of them a half dozen times before having to throw the thing out as it has gone bad already. This is more a fault of Micro Center as the sell some really poor crap and I typically won't buy memory they have branded theirs. I do have other flash sticks that have lasted years with minimal problems.
They could use an EPROM style flash that was write once and than only read, I would think that could hold up for many years but again will it perform well enough for music. If it was read only it could avoid the problems a normal flash drive experiences.
Well that's my two centavo's,
Stevo
Stevo,
I Don't think that it will be like a memory stick at all. Not enough space inside to put all the electronics needed in addition to what I mentioned was needed before. You would need all this stuff for reliability of the device. It will probably be square and come in a mini jewel case. This way you can read the album name on the end cap, and stack them pretty easily. Just a guess there on my part though! Here's a list of what would be needed in addition to some already mentioned.
TRIM support (O/S dependent)
DuraWrite extends the endurance of SSDs
Intelligent Block Management and Wear Leveling
Intelligent Read Disturb Management
Intelligent "Recycling" for advance free space management (Garbage Collection)
RAISE (Redundant Array of Independent Silicon Elements)
Intelligent Data Retention optimization
Thermal Threshold Management
Native Command Queuing (NCQ) - Up to 32 commands
ECC Recovery: Up to 55 bits correctable per 512-byte sector (BCH)
BTW! You can't copy it to the HDD because of the unique individual Digital identifier in each album. You can play it on any usb media player, but you can't download it. The chances of beating the copy protection are slim to none! Like I said, the Movie and Record companies want them for the almost foolproof copy protection, meaning no more torrents from DVD, or BluRay, only CAMs from a monitor and indirect sound for CDs. I see at least 5 years before this can happen, probably even longer, given all the hardware needed, and the current economy. For DVD and BluRay, at least an additional 2 years, probably more. They could even build the controller into the device or computer that plays them.
Best Regards,
Russ
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28. December 2011 @ 14:34 |
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Russ,
You wouldn't need the wear leveling or any of the write management as it would be read only so you would avoid all of those issues. Also read only would provide a much longer longevity as well. So I would disagree with all of the over head.
I think you are right that they would create a new form factor though and that is fine or good with exception to all of the security nonsense. But even if they use some form of new security hopefully someone will leak the keys and/or come up with a way to provide us with free usage and protection for the end user.
I won't buy music that I can't make my own play lists and compilations for, and I think most people feel that way that are really into music. Sure those iTune people will sign up for it but I think the music industry will shoot themselves in the foot, which they have prided themselves in doing as of late and then blame the pirates out there for their lack of reasonable pricing and product usage.
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Stevo
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28. December 2011 @ 14:37 |
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Quote: unique individual Digital identifier
this was done ages ago, it was also defeated ages ago.
they've had minor success with Hardware based DRM, if anything thats the direction DRM is headed. its already on your processors, in your LCD panels and its only a matter of time before its on every memory card.
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30. December 2011 @ 15:42 |
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Yeah! I'm gonna have 8Gb of memory again :D Just bought these badboys.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226201
That would sure be unfortunate if they were incompatible though. I really haven't ever had any issues regarding RAM compatibility though. This will likely help with both gaming and my multitasking habits ;) Apparently they overclock nicely too. Though I probably won't do too much of that. And since ebay's seller fees are turning me off, I probably won't sell my current Ram through them :p I'll probably need them in the future anyway. Next weekend is gonna be fun! This weekend I plan on finally installing my replacement V-raptor. Bring on the games!
Probably get ~$5 back too, since I use a cashback service.
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30. December 2011 @ 17:09 |
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30. December 2011 @ 17:19 |
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Actually, I've had pretty decent luck with the optical quantums. Provided the Dyes are the PHILIPR04 type ;) They don't scan pretty like the Taiyo Yudens or Verbatims, but they do seem to have good compatibility. Provided they don't get too scratched, they should play well enough. Longevity however, remains to be seen.
The SSD looks good Steve. I might just consider it in february. Sandisk has had my respect for quite some time. Certainly with their flash department ;)
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30. December 2011 @ 17:46 |
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I believe they are the 04 Philips which is why I bought them and also have had very good luck with that media. Like I said before I have BD-R Philips that are still good after 3+ years so unless like you pointed out it is a bad batch of dyes my friend should be fine.
I just couldn't pass up the deals so hopefully all will be fine now I'm waiting for Russ to drill me on the CAS cycles being so slow, you just can't win sometimes.... LOL
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31. December 2011 @ 18:09 |
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Happy New Year Everyone
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ddp
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31. December 2011 @ 18:20 |
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same to you.
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31. December 2011 @ 18:20 |
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Not yet fred, not yet... :p
Suppose it is somewhere though...
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31. December 2011 @ 19:12 |
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most definitly somewhere.
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31. December 2011 @ 22:51 |
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Just over an hour before Time Square celebrates.
Happy New Years all...
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1. January 2012 @ 09:53 |
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got my son a laptop for christmas. can i use the hdmi plugin on his lappy and connect it to his tv and be able to watch video from his lappy or is there something else i need to do to do this?
happy new years everyone.!!!!!
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1. January 2012 @ 15:17 |
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Plug it in, and you'll see just how easy it is. They're generally plug and play ;) I worked on someones laptop recently. Their LCD is dead, but it has an S-video port, and a VGA that are still working. So at least they can use it, til they can get a replacement.
Happy new year everyone :)
On another note, I finally got my replacement V-raptor drive installed. A fresh install, and some programs later, and it's doing WAYYY better than the last one ever did. I might even bench the drive today, to see if it's somehow better all around. I think my last one may have had problems from the get go. This one is also notably quieter :) I wonder if WD pulled it off their VIP shelf LOL! Must have been saving it for me! *touch wood*
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2. January 2012 @ 06:18 |
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The only time I RMA'ed a drive to WD the replacement I sent was a different grade to the retail ones, it was certainly quieter, not sure about the speed.
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2. January 2012 @ 20:33 |
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The only time I ever RMA'd a drive, I sent in my Seagate 500GB 7200.10 620AS and got a far superior 630AS. Better noise, better reliability, even slightly better performance.
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2. January 2012 @ 20:34 |
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At least now I have some idea of how loud the drives should be. Not very loud at all :) Still getting an SSD in about 6 weeks :D
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