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Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE? If So, Then Ask Your Questions Here.
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ozzy666
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23. February 2005 @ 11:24 |
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BroBear,
Yes it is way of topic.
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23. February 2005 @ 14:25 |
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It's not only off topic but it could also threaten the longevity of this thread, so please take it elsewhere.
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brobear
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23. February 2005 @ 18:13 |
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Sophocles,
If you noticed, I got it back on track with RB and the 2.7 trial. As far as this thread, I thought they killed them off when they got this long anyway. ;)
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drmadcow
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23. February 2005 @ 19:26 |
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I'm going to have to disagree with BroBear that a good Trancoder can be as good as an encoder (err CCE, some encoders are junk). Although in the case of DVD Rebuilder this maybe the case because of how DVD-RB processes VTS files based on their Cell Ids. When you get a DVD with 40 - 50+ CellIds for just the main picture DVD-RB will brutalize your encode. A good example of this is Barry Lyndon, which has a ridiculous amount of Cell Ids. Close to the beginning theres a scene where Barrys father dies in a duel. The entire VOB Id is maybe 400 frames long, and DVD-RB gave it an average bitrate of around 1700 (~ 2700 ave for movie). Generally this scene is very low action, but in the last few frames both men in the duel fire their guns. The smoke that comes out of the guns looks VERY grain / pixelated because of the low bitrate.
However if you encode this movie as one long part in CCE and you let it have a broader bitrate distribution, things look completely different. Something I would love to see DVD -RB do is to encode each VTS as a section, then if it's required to have them in the smaller files that RB generatally creates, to have RB split the MPEG2 file up. For some movies you'de probly only notice 1 - 5% increase in quality, but I could easily see some being around 10% higher quality (ie 3 hour movies with action). But don't get me wrong as DVD-RB stands I think it's a great newbie tool for people wanting to start getting into encoding.
And one last curiousity question, I saw Jdobbs doesn't support piracy, why then does DVD-RB support EccEcl, I didn't think it had a legitimite use.
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brobear
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23. February 2005 @ 22:22 |
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drmadcow
jdobbs can answer the technical aspects pertaining to RB. After all, he wrote the app. As far as a legitimate use for eclCCE, that one is easy. Anyone wanting to check out the RB/CCE setup before buying CCE would need to use the SP trial. To run the SP trials prior to the 2.7, one had to use eclCCE. The watermark was still on the trial, so that was not an illegal use. The curious user checking out the setup gets to see the setup work and see the quality of the output. However the output is marked with the CCE logo.
I've heard some unscrupulous people have used eclCCE with hacked versions of the SP trial without the watermark. That is just using a program to run an illegal one. That would be like saying RB is illegal because it can be used with hacked programs as well as the legally purchased ones.
On the matter of disagreeing with me. Try the programs I use before making judgements. Use the DVDCopy3 from InterVideo to transcode a movie. As I mentioned, not for a big blockbuster. Go with a DVD about 6.5 to 7GB or do the movie only selection. You'll see the visual quality is very good. You can get the trial at http://www.intervideo.com . You don't have to purchase anything to do this little test. DVDCopy3 uses files ripped with the freeware DVD Decrypter, DVD43 (the latest version), or one can use the trial of AnyDVD from Slysoft http://www.slysoft.com .
If you only pick a particular scene from Barry Lyndon to show RB has a minor flaw, that's really getting picky. I've done a lot of recordings with RB/CCE and haven't noticed any pixelation. I'm viewing on a 60 inch screen, so I usually spot flaws easily.
So, I stand behind what I said, and most anyone testing the software can see I'm telling the truth. They don't have to take my word for it and they should question yours.
About the only thing we tend to agree on is there is bad software out there. There is junk in both encoders and transcoders. However, the ones I mentioned using aren't junk.
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brobear
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23. February 2005 @ 23:08 |
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Looks like we're wondering off again. drmadcow... the thread title is Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE? If So, Then Ask Your Questions Here. As a visiting expert, you may wish to address your questions to the author of RB. Are you having a problem or just here to inform us the software is bad?
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drmadcow
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24. February 2005 @ 05:54 |
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On the contrary I like the software, but like most software with time it just needs some evolutions to reach a pinacle of perfection. And it's all about defining technical difficulties, some would call unoptimal quality as a difficulty :) I really appreciate jdobbs work. Although my only real difficult is that it doesn't work with my CCE 2.70 works :)
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brobear
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24. February 2005 @ 13:02 |
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Must be a problem with the "Works". I ran a test with the 2.70 trial and it worked the way it was supposed to. Great picture and that big blue CCE logo was very crisp. ;) The only thing I had to do was adjust the Quality Prec to 24 before jdobbs incorporated the settings for the trial. Now it doesn't require that, it sets automatically now when the SP trial is selected. Before, one just loaded the 2.70 into the regular SP and set the QP. Without the need for the eclCCE, the 2.70 will work under either selection, SP or the SP trial.
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brobear
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24. February 2005 @ 13:05 |
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drmadcow
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... but like most software with time it just needs some evolutions to reach a pinacle of perfection.
Rebuilder is an evolving beta program. Suggestions for improvement should be directed to the author, jdobbs.
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ozzy666
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25. February 2005 @ 13:16 |
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Removed as stated.
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25. February 2005 @ 14:34 |
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drmadcow
I have almost 600 movies in my collection and I've backed up over 200 using Rebuilder/CCE and I've never seen bit rates even close to being that low anywhere on any of them. Check your settings and then try again.
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brobear
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25. February 2005 @ 14:46 |
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BroBear,
I have no idea why you feel the need to insult, or offend, but please to not question my honestly, particularly when much of your statemnts can be shown to be ill informed or simply incorrect.
If you are not intending to be offencive then please understand the words you use.
English is my second Language, and I do not feign anything.
PS I have removed my post, as I see no real reason for it to remain for others to read. I will do the same of this post tomorow. And will not respond to silly remarks in the future.
Regards
Ozzy
Feign was used in a jocular manner following your rather verbose diatribe to correct me on matters of law. That was in reference to an earlier remark about English being a second language and your not having complete command of the nuances of the language. Guess you don't have a sense of humor or you missed the connotations.
Strange, where did I question your honesty? I may on occasion bandy words, but I don't remember doing so here. Where were the insults? What was ill informed and what was incorrect? Not realizing you're using hacked programs may be a bit naive, definitely ill informed.
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I was not insulted, maybe my translation to english some times may seem abrupt, I dont mean it to appear so, Not many pleases and thank yous in Spanish conversations.
My point about the other trial I downloaded originaly (2.50) was just to ilustrate that it seems much of the software on Emule is already hacked. as none had the water mark, and simply said Trial.
Strange you mention Spanish being an abrupt language, yet you look for innuendo in English. Though I don't have any command of the Spanish language I do remember de nada and por favor being in the Spanish lanuage for the more polite.
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I will try to write a little less abrupt, and maybe I can improve my english as well as learn more about these programes at the same time.
Ozzy
I fear you may just be feeling paranoid about your actions and feel the need to defend something you've done. I've neither questioned your motives nor your actions. The discussion was about hacked CCE SP programs which affect support and working with Rebuilder. Besides being a bane to developers, the hacked apps don't always function properly as pointed out by you and drmadcow. He said he couldn't get the "Works" to work. Here is your post on the topic. Quote:
I cant do a full back up with it because of the error, but the AVI files have not got a watermark. In anycase I have deleted the copy and got the original from one of the working links at CCE site.
As I said the original 2.50 SP I got from Emule did not have a watermark either, and was not inclusive of a patch etc. I would asume it was a hack too.
It maters not, I was simply interested in any quality difference, which question has been answered.
Tks
Ozzy
I copied your direct quotes so I couldn't be accused of twisting your words. You admitted to using hacked programs. Whether ignorant of the fact or not, I didn't try to judge.
As a Junior Member, you should know by now not to be running off track on a thread. Also, the PM function is there for personal communications. (Any harassing PMs I receive are reported to the staff. PMs are not necessarily private.)
Frankly, I feel your attitude and actions to be a bit offensive. If you have personal issues, you should take them elsewhere.
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26. February 2005 @ 13:36 |
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That's it, if you people can't provide useful information that will be helpful to new users then you're in the wrong thread. I appreciate the removal of off topic posts. This may be a large thread but it's not obsolete, it continues to provide service because of a continued growth of DVDrebuilder.
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Gnomex
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26. February 2005 @ 16:28 |
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Sophocle,
Well said on a more thread focused note.
I ran into a "subscript Error 9 - out of range error" when backing up a BBC television series. The series was unmodified (nothing edited). The rippers used were Decryptor and AnyDVD.
Could this error be caused by the encoding of the source in question?
Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors.
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brobear
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26. February 2005 @ 19:14 |
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I guess "you people" includes me. I was trying to get back on the topic when Ozzy felt the need to go off on a personal tangent. The point I was making was very relevant to this or any other thread dealing with Rebuilder. And here is the point (it has been made by Sophocles and others on different occasions), "works" or hacked apps don't always work the way they're intended to. These hacked apps are not just a problem for the developers, but also for the people who try to aid in the support of these programs. The problems we've encountered with hacked CCE trials messing up Rebuilder is a prime example.
Interesting when the pot calls the kettle black...
It would be nice to get back to helping people with legitimate problems with legit software.
I believe it is a positive endeavor to inform people trying to use Rebuilder to stay away from hacked CCE software for the reasons stated.
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27. February 2005 @ 09:04 |
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@Gnomex
Have you tried "DVD43Free"... if you didn't give it a try... you have a simple explanation how to us it on the home page of my site: www.dvdrebuilder.com
keep it UP
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ozzy666
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27. February 2005 @ 09:45 |
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Brobear,
Please take resonsibility for your own words and posts.
The behaviour is some what disapointing. You have no problem offering unselicited information but are unbelivabley sencitive to the correction of those statements. I doubt the corrections I made to your statements can be proven incorrect. And they were simply that, "correction" to your statemnts, not a "personal tangent"
I feel on more than one occation, I have made an effort to walk away from this subject, but it seems you are not capable. Maybe it would be better for your state of mind, and the future of this thread (As you seem unable to let go) that I remove myself to another forum. which I do now.
Thank you for those who have contributed to my questions, and help resolving my problems.
Gracias y adios.
Ozzy
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27. February 2005 @ 11:14 |
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rockas
I've used DVD43free and while it's a good app, AnyDVD is superior. In fact it was my use of DVD43free that lead me to AnyDVD.
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27. February 2005 @ 12:17 |
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Never tested :(
But AnyDVD isn't free, is it?
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Gnomex
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27. February 2005 @ 12:20 |
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@rockas,
I have used DVD43 in the past. While it is a working CSS decryptor, AnyDVD and DvD Decryptor are both more up to date.
DVD-RB failed and gave me a run-time error 9 "Out of Range".
The run-time error 9 is caused when a person ededits a movie a little too much or a problem happened at the ripping stage. Well to cut to the chase, neither situation happened.
@Everyone
However, this DVD was a british (BBC) television series. Could this be a possible problem?
Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors.
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27. February 2005 @ 13:29 |
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rockas
It's true that you have to pay for AnyDVD but it does a lot more than just decrypt and it's updated often, even more than DVD Decrypter is.
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27. February 2005 @ 22:29 |
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I agree with Sophocles, AnyDVD is the better choice. Also, it is updated more quickly than other decrypters, if not more often. The DVD43 was only just recently updated to address the newer structural encryption systems. Also, I had a bad experience with DVD43 on my system. It started folders opening on startup, which was annoying. My feeling is that AnyDVD is one of the essential apps if one is going to backup DVDs. The other 2 programs I consider essential are DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink, both free. Using Shrink (No Compression) with AnyDVD to rip files to the hard drive corrects some of the bogus IFO info left in DVDs by structural encryption. Once a person has a good set of files, it's no problem to go ahead and encode with RB/CCE.
Ozzy... de nada y adiós.
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28. February 2005 @ 12:05 |
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Hi am backing up my copies of, Lord of the rings extended versions, I was wondering if anyone had done thiers, and if they had any advice.
I have already done the extras DVDs X 6 at 41% and it looks good. The movie disks x 6 range from 7.3 to 7.8gig. Any suggestions on tweeking for the best result would be appreciated.
Thank you
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brobear
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28. February 2005 @ 17:12 |
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Not a lot to tweaking RB/CCE unless you do some editing. Leaving out unwanted audio and subtitle tracks is always a good idea. Under mode you can use Steal Space From Extras for a decrease in compression of the main movie. The beauty or RB/CCE is that it works so well under compression that you don't have to delete the extras to get a good backup.
At 7.3 to 7.8GB, you shouldn't even have to use the Steal option.
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28. February 2005 @ 18:20 |
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Does anyone have some links to newer guides on DVD Rebuilder with CCE.I have read the guide here and would like to find some more info with the newer versions.
I have been using Derypter with Shrink or Nero Recode2 and would like to move to the next level.
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