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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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20. July 2008 @ 12:57 |
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If the 260 was given to you then it doesn't matter, we only raise the concern because the radeons are significantly bettr value.
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20. July 2008 @ 12:58 |
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i was wondering which CPU would be the best bet to get. the Q6600 or the E8400. ive read difference of opinions on other threads. some point to the Q6600 and some to the E8400.
Which one to get really depends on the types of applications that you will be using them for, and if you're going to overclock. If you are expecting to use a fair number of multithreaded applications that will make use of all 4 cores then a quad core would be best. But if you're mostly going to use dual threaded applications or single threaded applications then a faster clocked dual core will prove faster. The best thing to do is answer those basic questions yourself then consider where best to put your money.
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20. July 2008 @ 13:02 |
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If you do stuff like DVD encoding, folding, video editing etc, a Quad core, hands down. if you're a normal user or maybe a gamer then the dual cores currently make more sense. In this instance though, you have to weigh up how long before you upgrade again. Sooner or later Quad cores will become relevant. The E8400 at stock is up to about 30% faster in single/dual core environments than the Q6600. If you overclock that gap remains at least 20%. As soon as you use one quad core-supported program though, the stock Q6600 will beat a heavily overclocked E8400 hands down. Is that likely to happen before you upgrade your CPU?
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20. July 2008 @ 13:15 |
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If you do stuff like DVD encoding
Not with Cinema Craft Encoder and DVDrebuilder, a fast dual core such as an overclocked E8400 will walk over the Q6600 even overclocked. A dual core will be faster for prepare, encode, and rebuild. Now if intend to run RB with HC encoder using multicore processing a quad core will win.
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20. July 2008 @ 13:22 |
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i'm done with suggestions to rookie's your on your own..they don't seem to pick the right parts anyway then cry about it went don't work right ( and co-worker means work at the same job) not gay..
Done out of Here!
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20. July 2008 @ 13:25 |
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I have never done the overclocking thing. so i dont know if i would do it or not. From what i have found there isnt a lot of Quad related programs out now. is this true? I plan on keeping this new computer for awhile. so unless i have problems i dont see any upgrades in the near future.
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Did you SERIOUSLY call them gay? WOW man, you're smart. You sure spotted it!(sarcasm)
I wasnt trying to be mean or anything. it just seems weird to me thats all.
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Not with Cinema Craft Encoder and DVDrebuilder, a fast dual core such as an overclocked E8400 will walk over the Q6600 even overclocked. A dual core will be faster for prepare, encode, and rebuild. Now if intend to run RB with HC encoder using multicore processing a quad core will win.
i havent tried any of that as of yet. when i said i make my own dvd's i meant i make copies of the dvd's i purchase. I use dvdshrink and dvdfabplatinum.
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20. July 2008 @ 13:28 |
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If you plan on keeping it for a while then get a Q9450.
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20. July 2008 @ 13:32 |
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i havent tried any of that as of yet. when i said i make my own dvd's i meant i make copies of the dvd's i purchase. I use dvdshrink and dvdfabplatinum.
I don't use DVD Fab Platinum but I think that it might be faster with a quad core but DVD Shrink should come out ahead on a dual core. I gave up using transcoders years ago, but I occasionally use DVD Shrink for my wife's backups.:P
It's as simple as this. If you have need of a quad core for any quad threaded application it will do the work the fastest on those applications, but on dual threaded applications the E8400's higher clock speed is going to triumph.
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20. July 2008 @ 13:33 |
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i'm done with suggestions to rookie's your on your own..they don't seem to pick the right parts anyway then cry about it went don't work right ( and co-worker means work at the same job) not gay..
Come on man theres no need to get mad. I didnt mean it in a bad way. All im saying is there is some obsession with you and that guy thats all. Its just my observasion. Everything you 2 do is all most the same things. Just how i see it. I'm sorry. Plus i dont understand the foreign language you speak. It is hard for me to understand alot of what it is your saying....
I'm not here to get into a shouting match with anyone. I know when to bow out
It seems to me,I could live my life A lot better than I think I am,I guess thats why they call me,They call me the workin man
I guess thats what I am
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20. July 2008 @ 13:37 |
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It's as simple as this. If you have need of a quad core for any quad threaded application it will do the work the fastest on those applications, but on dual threaded applications the E8400's higher clock speed is going to triumph.
Thank you very much. The E8400 is the way i will go. Thank you for your help.
It seems to me,I could live my life A lot better than I think I am,I guess thats why they call me,They call me the workin man
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20. July 2008 @ 13:48 |
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NO, get a Quad Core! It's better for the Future!
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20. July 2008 @ 13:56 |
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Abuzar, not all people who use PCs are like you. I certainly have no significant need for a quad core, and I expect that will remain the case for at least another six months, possibly a year or longer. For others it's even less important. We've presented the facts of the matter, and he has elected the E8400. He obviously feels it will be eons before he uses anything that will require a quad core, so if that's the case his decision is justified.
Out of interest Mr. numbers, what do you mean by 'foreign language'?
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20. July 2008 @ 14:07 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
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If you do stuff like DVD encoding
Not with Cinema Craft Encoder and DVDrebuilder, a fast dual core such as an overclocked E8400 will walk over the Q6600 even overclocked. A dual core will be faster for prepare, encode, and rebuild. Now if intend to run RB with HC encoder using multicore processing a quad core will win.
Soph,
I am sure that is true when doing 2 passes but if doing 3 pases (like I do), my stock Q9450 was just a hair faster (only about 1 minute) than my E3110 was at 4.0ghz. the prepare and rebuild phases were faster with the E3110 at 4.0ghz but the encode times were faster with my stock Q9450.
I don't have a completed folder/ini file to compare to using my E3110 at 4.0ghz and 2 passes with CCE. all my completed folders using my E3110 at 4.0ghz were done with CCE at 3 passes.
my Q9450 at 3.4ghz is considerably faster than my E3110 at 4.0ghz with CCE SP and 3 passes.
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20. July 2008 @ 14:16 |
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the way I see it, a person can get into a higher clocked dual core now for less money and upgrade to a quad core down the road. as most of you know, that's exactly what I did.
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20. July 2008 @ 14:17 |
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If I was building a PC right now, unless I had a very high budget I'd probably still go with a dual core and swap it out for a quad later. I don't go lightweight with the games, but there's genuinely no reason to have a quad core. I'd like to see more than maybe one or two games actually use 100% of just two cores before I justify a quad for games.
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20. July 2008 @ 14:23 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
mrk
It's doubtful that all four sensor are gone and you only need one to monitor CPU temps. The sensor has nothing to do with the quality of the processor because if it did I would've returned mine months ago. Also a stuck senors always errs on the cool side not the hot so it is likely that the sensors showing the most heat are working.
In your test core sensor test cores 0,1,2 seemed pretty close to each other which suggest that some of the variances could be an improperly seated heat sink. Are you using thermal paste and if so can you name it?
I am using thermal paste w/ as5. And if intel will send me another cpu cuz the sensor's gone wrong, then I think it's worth it.
As for improperly seated heat sink, I think I'm done with hsf's....I've had bad luck with something that apparently has the quality of a TRUE (and I've re-installed that think like 10 times), and it just doesn't work for me. Does anybody know about this cooler?:
http://www.danamics.com/danamics-lm10.aspx
It's a liquid metal designed heatsink that uses a pump, and no fan. They say it's better than most water coolers. It's not out yet and it's probably gonna be really expensive....
If too much, I'm a go w/ either a swiftech or thermalright water cooler...i would get the cooler master but it's too expensive, and i read it doesn't cool that well anyway....
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20. July 2008 @ 14:24 |
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I am sure that is true when doing 2 passes but if doing 3 pases (like I do), my stock Q9450 was just a hair faster
Then that suggests that your dual core was throttling or there is something different about your settings or something else interfered with CPU processes. If a quad core uses only two cores on a dual threaded application then it is only as fast as the two cores that it's using. If for some reason the dual core attempts to use four cores with a dual threaded application then that means that it is swapping the two threads between four cores which actually takes longer, because it is now oscillating data back and fourth.
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20. July 2008 @ 14:41 |
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sam,
for what I do (a lot of video encoding, not transcoding) a quad core is better because I always do 3 passes with CCE SP and I will now start using HC encoder by Hanks more, which does fully utilize all 4 cores, up to 100% and is faster than CCE SP at 3 passes. CCE at 2 passes is still the fastest but not by much.
now if I lower the quality level for HC from best to normal, I'm sure it would be faster than CCE at 2 passes now that I can utilize all 4 cores wit HC.
I have to compare apples to apples and so I consider CCE at 2 passes to be similiar to HC at normal quality level and I consider CCE at 3 passes to be similiar to HC at best quality level. using my quad core cpu, HC wins out in both situations and therefor I can justify upgrading to the quad core.
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20. July 2008 @ 14:50 |
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Soph,
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If a quad core uses only two cores on a dual threaded application then it is only as fast as the two cores that it's using.
I'm just going by my observations in my task manager but when I'm using CCE all 4 cores are being used to some degree. I'm going to fire up CCE right now just to verify this again to myself. I'll let ya know if I am providing inaccurate information.
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20. July 2008 @ 15:03 |
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Soph,
CCE is using a good part of 3 cores:
nothing like HC tho:
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20. July 2008 @ 15:56 |
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CCE is using a good part of 3 cores:
CCE is only a dual threaded appication, and cannot divide up a single thread into two and process separate parts of it. at the same time What is occurring is that a single thread is oscillating between two cores. I don't know how much that slows things down but it shouldn't speed things up.
Your version of CCE was discovered to have a flaw that causes it to misread the actual speed.
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20. July 2008 @ 16:06 |
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hmm, I've got a later vs but it's more of a pain to install. actually I forgot exactly how to install it. my vs is plenty fast now and I probably won't mess with upgrading it. the quality is still superb.
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20. July 2008 @ 16:20 |
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The speed issue is no big deal since it doesn't affect encode quality, but it does make a bit*h to make comparisons.:D
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20. July 2008 @ 17:02 |
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Originally posted by Mort81:
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If a quad core uses only two cores on a dual threaded application then it is only as fast as the two cores that it's using.
I'm just going by my observations in my task manager but when I'm using CCE all 4 cores are being used to some degree. I'm going to fire up CCE right now just to verify this again to myself. I'll let ya know if I am providing inaccurate information.
here's my reply on this from the O/C thread - http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/83263/4164180
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20. July 2008 @ 17:14 |
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Hmm! Creaky I know the horse quite well, but I'm not quite sure of the point that you were making. Were you comparing the quality of CCE to HD encoder? If so I think HD encoder has progressed quite a bit but jdobbs still uses CCE.
Mort and I were discussing encode speeds on a two threaded application such as CCE which can't use RB's multicore functions so it is left with only two threads to take advantage of a multicore processor. Mort contends that his quad core processes faster than a higher clocked dual core. My point is that is not really possible since a two threaded application can only run just that two threads, If those two threads are divided across 4 cores then there will be a bit of a slow down since two threads can only run linear in one direction. If they are linear than for a single thread to be divided between two cores the two cores must swap back and forth between each other and in effect adds an extra operation to what should be the tasks of two single threads run on two cores. I hope the heck this makes sense because I'm in the middle of ripping a blu-ray movie.
creaky if I misunderstood you could you let me know?
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