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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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22. July 2008 @ 15:15 |
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i dont think one can move Bluetooth, IF it was, then it might be intergrated INTO the mobo
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23. July 2008 @ 11:14 |
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Hi, my son is looking for a new pc because he says he won't be able to play Warhammer on Line on ours when it comes out in September.
I had sort of promised him one anyway this year so I don't really mind.
But I haven't got a clue what to get? Basically I'm looking for something that's good for gaming but doesn't cost an absolute fortune, and that I'll be able to upgrade in the future without having to buy a whole new pc again.
Thanks.
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23. July 2008 @ 11:18 |
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What's your budget?
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23. July 2008 @ 11:21 |
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also, where you u situated in the world (country wise)
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23. July 2008 @ 11:22 |
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Well i'm in ireland, so i suppose about 1500 euro, what's that in dollars, 2000? But i don't want to pay for flash, i want the money to go on good parts.
Having said that, i promised my mum she could have this pc, so i need a new screen and everything.
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23. July 2008 @ 11:41 |
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Evastar
What is the makeup of your current PC such as individual parts.? Just curious!
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23. July 2008 @ 11:47 |
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MGR (Micro Gaming Rig) .|. Intel Q6600 @ 3.45GHz .|. Asus P35 P5K-E/WiFi .|. 4GB 1066MHz Geil Black Dragon RAM .|. Samsung F60 SSD .|. Corsair H50-1 Cooler .|. Sapphire 4870 512MB .|. Lian Li PC-A70B .|. Be Queit P7 Dark Power Pro 850W PSU .|. 24" 1920x1200 DGM (MVA Panel) .|. 24" 1920x1080 Dell (TN Panel) .|.
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23. July 2008 @ 11:49 |
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in others words we need to know the Specs on the parts you have on your corrent system motherboard type,processor,memory,hard drive or drives,graphic card,computer case the whole nine yards..so we can help you from there and try to steer you in the right direction on the stuff you my need..Thanks::)
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23. July 2008 @ 12:07 |
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Has anybody asked this lady if she or her son know anything about putting a pc together.
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23. July 2008 @ 12:08 |
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I've already been told my current computer won't do and i can't upgrade it. It's a dell, got it in 2005, but it's pretty crap really.
So forget about my current computer, i just want a totally new one! Apparently Warhammer on line will require a 3 gig processor and a good graphics card. They haven't released the exact specs yet. So what i'm looking for is something that will run Warhammer on line and any new games coming out in the next year or so, with the capability to upgrade in the future. That's not too expensive. :)
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23. July 2008 @ 12:10 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
Has anybody asked this lady if she or her son know anything about putting a pc together.
Nope, i haven't got a clue, but a friend of my son's does and he said he'll do it for me. Or else can i not just get something built from komplett once i know the specs i want?
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23. July 2008 @ 12:13 |
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OK, let me you ask myself, all these guys here will help you in any way they can in putting a pc together, these people are pro's, but do you or your son have the knowledge to do that, cause if you do you came to the right place.
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23. July 2008 @ 12:15 |
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OK, I replied before I read your last, well great if you have somebody that can help you with it thats great, I guess you supply the cash, your friend will supply the work, and the guys here will supply you with all the knowledge, good luck.
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23. July 2008 @ 12:24 |
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Hi shaffaff,
The processor has to be at least 3ghz, apparently dual or quad core 2.4 won't do, something to do with the way the game runs. So he keeps insisting anyway.
So maybe dual core 6600 3 ghz instead? Or is it possible to go quad core 6600 3 ghz, i suppose that's really expensive?
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23. July 2008 @ 12:31 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
ok, i think komplette would be the best shop for ROI. here we go:
http://www.komplett.ie/k/k.aspx
hows this.
is that located in ireland..?:)
evastar wrote:The processor has to be at least 3ghz, apparently dual or quad core 2.4 won't do, something to do with the way the game runs. So he keeps insisting anyway.
So maybe dual core 6600 3 ghz instead? Or is it possible to go quad core 6600 3 ghz, i suppose that's really expensive?
@Evastar
there's to type's core 2 Duo's cpu are sett at factory specs out the box the E8400 45nm at 3.0Ghz and the E8500 45nm at 3.16Ghz either or ..I believe that can handle it.
price on the E8400
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=344772
price on the E8500
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=344771
on the matter of the E8500 it's your choice but that will be my nexts choice my nexts build to O'c to 4.5Ghz..or more to hold stable but the E8400 will do you fine for the Price..:)
the E8500 Oc'd from a Friend
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=368004
the E8400 Oc'd same Guy..Tested Stable both
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=337268
Both on Asus Boards..there you go Mort..lol
@Mort
I do agree with you on the memory choice goin with the 1066..if her son don't run alot of programs at the same time and want to do games and surf the web 2 cores is all they need..
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23. July 2008 @ 12:31 |
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Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435 |
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23. July 2008 @ 12:39 |
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He really wants a dual core 3.0 ghz 'cos he heard there was some issue with the game not being able to run on both so he needs the 3 ghz on each?
I would prefer more memory, hadn't looked that far yet.
This new radeon graphics card, does anyone know much about it yet? It was only released fairly recently wasn't it?
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23. July 2008 @ 12:47 |
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sorry i specced that before evastar told me.
ok well i assume your sons freinds wotn overclock the Q6600, if not, then it'll be much better to get the E8400, the E8500 isnt worth the extra ?75 for .16 GHz extra.
and if one is not Overclocking then you can get rid of the OCZ Vendetta CPU cooler aswell :) saves you a few bob :)
and yes that sight is for ireland (notice the .ie) :D
4GB memory will be more than enough for a good 3-4 years.
and the ATI Raedon HD 4870 will eat games up, even at the 24" resolution (1920x1200)
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23. July 2008 @ 12:53 |
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That's great thanks guys.
So you're recommending the ati raedon 4870 512mb graphics card, the E8400 45nm at 3 ghz, DDR2 1066 memory? What else do i need to know? Thanks a million for all this. :)
By the way, what size monitor is the best to go for gaming? We have a 17 inch flat screen at the moment, and i was thinking of going a bit bigger, but not too much at the same time.
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23. July 2008 @ 13:05 |
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for no more than what a descent effective aftermarket cpu hsf costs, eg. OCZ Vendetta or Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro 7, I would definately recommend getting one. the oem cpu hsf's are pure junk especially the ones that come with 45nm cpu's and are just barely sufficient enough to get by at normal load ranges.
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By the way, what size monitor is the best to go for gaming? We have a 17 inch flat screen at the moment, and i was thinking of going a bit bigger, but not too much at the same time.
Dell makes very good monitors as does samsung. I personally like viewsonic. probably a 20" or 22" widescreen.
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23. July 2008 @ 13:14 |
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I don't know if you gave any thought to it or not? but you gotta chose and new motherboard also..I'm gonna let the other fellows point you in that direction..but you gonna have to have a case to hold it all in..everybody knows my favor which is Cooler Master but like everybody has there own favors also right now my cpu idle at 27C at Oc'd 3.00ghz from 2.66ghz stock..but.I'm pretty sure the other guys will suggest to you others brands..but.I bring to you the link for Cooler Master types in your area Thanks..
Link..:)
http://www.komplett.ie/k/search.aspx?q=cooler+master
i think this is the Memory Mort is suggesting correct if..I'm wrong Mort and suggest the type your thinking...
Link to Memory: http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=324986
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23. July 2008 @ 13:49 |
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Id say DDR2 800MHz memory is better, as you wont need mroe than 677mhz tbh, but the extra just for future upgrades :)
and if your not OCing, then you might aswell stay with the normal coller from intel, as its very quiet and does what it says.
i put a 24" monitor there for you, but if you feel its too big, then i would recomend, for the 20" a Dell ultrasharp, OR for 22" a sansung.
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23. July 2008 @ 14:02 |
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shaf,
what is it with you and DDR2 800 memory? are you stuck in a rut? for just a little more money a person can get DDR2 1066 which is tested and guaranteed to run at that speed. sure some DDR 800 will run as fast if you loosen up the timings but there is no guarantee.
I wouldn't run an oem cpu hsf on my mom's pc, if I built it for her. just my 2 cents.
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23. July 2008 @ 14:07 |
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On a budget that big, I'd stick in 8500 memory, why not?
The rest of the components are fine, but I wouldn't buy a Benq monitor. I just think something that prominent and something that has to last that long should really come from a quality manufacturer. Shaffaaf is right about Dell and Samsung being decent brands, but none of them are 'numero uno' for a specific size. All sizes I've witnessed put Samsung marginally ahead for image quality, but Dell marginally ahead for build quality (you'll very rarely see dead pixels on a Dell, they're more common with Samsungs). Dell Ultrasharps are, however, pricey, as they are the top dog of both build quality and connection inputs.
Eva: The 'minimum performance' for games is run on an equivalency system. The minimum to run would be say, a P4 3.0Ghz for a single core, or Pentium D 3.0Ghz for a dual. The systems can tell, for example if you run an X2 4200+ (only 2.2Ghz) that it equates to a Pentium D of a clock speed higher than that, and pass it. You need not have a 3Ghz CPU just for that sake alone.
Again since you're on a reasonable budget, you may consider a Core 2 Quad Q9450.
P.S. The Intel stock cooler is also quite noisy and very poor at cooling. I disregard anything but full speed as at anything less than full speed it's only really useful for cooling laptop grade or undervolted chips. The Freezer 7's so ridiculously cheap and so much better, there's no reason not to buy one.
P.P.S. The 4870 seriously kicks behind, it's twice as fast as anything from the last generation, the second fastest solo-core graphics card available, and the fastest of all that are reasonably priced. If, for whatever reason you need to shave cost off this build, however, the 4850 is well worth a look, significantly cheaper, and not far behind with performance, still outpacing any single card from the Geforce 9 generation.
Demanding though Warhammer Online will probably be, a PC like the one outlined will cope fine, at close to, if not maximum detail, on a 22" monitor.
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23. July 2008 @ 14:57 |
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The rest of the components are fine, but I wouldn't buy a Benq monitor. I just think something that prominent and something that has to last that long should really come from a quality manufacturer.
The best way to buy a monitor is not by the manufacturer but by the panel used in its manufacture. Most Benq LDC use TN panels which are easy to identify because they usually have fast Latency response times so faster response times are usually from cheaper panels. If you see a response time measured in GTG then that is also a clue. Monitors with better picture quality are those with S-PVA or S-IPS panels.
If you're into photo editing then the S-IPS panes are better but they are also outrageously expensive and can often be a little slow for gaming. In my view the best middle ground panel are those with S-PVA panes because they have also have true 8 bit color versus the 6 bit color of TN panels, their color is good enough for photo editing but fast enough for gaming and they tend to be lower priced than S-PVA panels (except for samsungs new LED backlit S-PVA's). No matter who has their name on a monitor if it has an S-PVA panel then it is made by Samsung a manufacturer whose quality is second to none.
I can't help you with prices in the UK but if you set your sites on the best priced S-PVA you can get your hands on you will be quite happy.
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