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RichDomi
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15. December 2008 @ 18:57 |
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Originally posted by wetmonk:
Just to follow up...
Spansion could not provide me with any further details on the S99-50111-001, other than to say it is physically different from the S99-50111. They did verify that it is 'logically' the same as the S29AL016D. "If you're writing software for the device you can use that as a reference". LOL - not me. But wow their engineer was very courteous and helpful despite not being able to give me what I needed!
I contacted solder.net, and they did say if I sent them a sample they could make the solderquik templates for me. So I'll be sending that out sometime this week (thx for the idea Rich). We haven't discussed price, but I'm expecting I'll need to order the min. quantity of 10 and it should be around $7 a piece.
thats great, let me know how it goes I would be willing to buy 2 from you I would like to see if I can fix my old one I hope I didn't fry the chip
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dravn8004
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16. December 2008 @ 12:08 |
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ok first of all i would like to say thanks to all. i have followed this thread to diagnose my ps3 and start to fixing it. anyways first my ps3 wasnt reading discs and i found out it wasnt spinning discs either. so i ordered a kem-400a from psxboy and it arrived yesterday. i got the laser installed no problem and then it took awhile to realign the drive to accept and eject discs. once i got that working discs were spinning, icons showing up on the screen. but when i put in a game it only plays for about a minute and then acts like it isnt reading the disc but the disc is still spinning. any help would be greatly appreciated.
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andrewsss
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28. December 2008 @ 21:11 |
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Question:
I purchased a second hand ps3, it was approximately a year old working fine for a month. I got the 2.53 update and then i had problems with the ps3 reading discs.
I have read this whole thread on the blue ray drive, my issue is i have replaced the laser and the issue was resolved for around an hour. I got another lens thinking it was just a bad laser. The next one lasted around 20hours then while playing a game it froze up. I powered off the system and started it back up to find i was back at square one with it not recognizing any media discs, blue ray, dvd, or games.
I am afraid if i get a new laser it will only last so long then conk out.
Could there be more of a problem thats causing any new laser to burn out fast? It just seems weird that after the update all these issues came up, and it not co-incidence cause there has been tons of others with the same problems. So once again could something cause the laser to burn out fast? or its just my luck to get 2 faulty lasers...if its the laser i will try again.
Like if it read the discs even for one hour and in my case up to 20 hours, would this not indicate laser related problem? considering replacing it did fix it even though it was just temporarily
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Surfaced
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29. December 2008 @ 00:05 |
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Originally posted by andrewsss:
Question:
I purchased a second hand ps3, it was approximately a year old working fine for a month. I got the 2.53 update and then i had problems with the ps3 reading discs.
I have read this whole thread on the blue ray drive, my issue is i have replaced the laser and the issue was resolved for around an hour. I got another lens thinking it was just a bad laser. The next one lasted around 20hours then while playing a game it froze up. I powered off the system and started it back up to find i was back at square one with it not recognizing any media discs, blue ray, dvd, or games.
I am afraid if i get a new laser it will only last so long then conk out.
Could there be more of a problem thats causing any new laser to burn out fast? It just seems weird that after the update all these issues came up, and it not co-incidence cause there has been tons of others with the same problems. So once again could something cause the laser to burn out fast? or its just my luck to get 2 faulty lasers...if its the laser i will try again.
Like if it read the discs even for one hour and in my case up to 20 hours, would this not indicate laser related problem? considering replacing it did fix it even though it was just temporarily
Hi andrewsss,
This is a particularly difficult choice for someone in your position, who has already replaced his laser twice. It is definitely strange that your laser has died twice, and in such a short period of time following that update. I personally don't know what to do. But it is curious, when you consider that the update started this.
I also bought my PS3 second-hand (and possibly third-hand, haha) and I did this understanding that it would not read discs. For me, I simply replaced the laser. That was back in August, and it is still working.
Others in this thread have speculated on the average lifespan of these replacement lasers we are buying. It is a very worrysome issue. For you though, at this point, I'd recommend trying your best to get some sympathy from Sony. Hopefully your PS3 still has it's serial tag.
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29. December 2008 @ 00:27 |
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Originally posted by Surfaced:
Originally posted by andrewsss:
Question:
I purchased a second hand ps3, it was approximately a year old working fine for a month. I got the 2.53 update and then i had problems with the ps3 reading discs.
I have read this whole thread on the blue ray drive, my issue is i have replaced the laser and the issue was resolved for around an hour. I got another lens thinking it was just a bad laser. The next one lasted around 20hours then while playing a game it froze up. I powered off the system and started it back up to find i was back at square one with it not recognizing any media discs, blue ray, dvd, or games.
I am afraid if i get a new laser it will only last so long then conk out.
Could there be more of a problem thats causing any new laser to burn out fast? It just seems weird that after the update all these issues came up, and it not co-incidence cause there has been tons of others with the same problems. So once again could something cause the laser to burn out fast? or its just my luck to get 2 faulty lasers...if its the laser i will try again.
Like if it read the discs even for one hour and in my case up to 20 hours, would this not indicate laser related problem? considering replacing it did fix it even though it was just temporarily
Hi andrewsss,
This is a particularly difficult choice for someone in your position, who has already replaced his laser twice. It is definitely strange that your laser has died twice, and in such a short period of time following that update. I personally don't know what to do. But it is curious, when you consider that the update started this.
I also bought my PS3 second-hand (and possibly third-hand, haha) and I did this understanding that it would not read discs. For me, I simply replaced the laser. That was back in August, and it is still working.
Others in this thread have speculated on the average lifespan of these replacement lasers we are buying. It is a very worrysome issue. For you though, at this point, I'd recommend trying your best to get some sympathy from Sony. Hopefully your PS3 still has it's serial tag.
I guess there is a place in china making and cheap refurbished lenses that only last a short while on the internet, I'd check where you're getting your lenses from.
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dridella
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29. December 2008 @ 11:47 |
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I had similar problems with replacement lasers. They both also failed after a short period of time.(about 2 hours first and 20 hours second ). I gave up and sent it to a repair shop .It cost me about 150.00 total . They gave me a 90 day warranty . Cleaned out the PS3 Motherboard and replaced and adjusted the laser. Been working fine for about 2 months now. Recieved the same PS3 back ( That was my concern with $ony. I have a launch 60 Gig ).About 8 days with shipping.
Also the company that sold me the bum lasers , gave me a full refund less shipping charges, The said they had 1 in 10 usually bad.I guess I had bad luck. So I gave up and sent it out. I wasn't sure if it was my ps3 eating lasers or if it was just bad lasers. I think it was the lasers. I hate to give any doubt , but not sure if the dust build up could cause a overvoltage or over current to cause the laser to fail ???
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kjb034
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29. December 2008 @ 15:11 |
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Hi guys. First of all, this is a great thread!
My PS3 froze during a Blu-ray and then stopped reading discs. Hopefully you guys can offer some advice.
- I am no longer in warranty (expired in Sep. 08) and the warranty sticker is gone.
- I am comfortable replacing parts myself as long as it doesn't require soldering (I don't have any soldering experience).
- The system accepts/ejects discs properly.
- The blue light on the console works properly.
- I see the loading "bubble" on the screen after a disc is inserted.
- The laser mechanism does move (tested by moving the laser all the way back and watched it move to the front as I loaded a disc).
- The tray does move up to hold the disc.
- The laser moves vertically 3 times and shines a light (it's not very bright though).
- Discs DO NOT spin.
- The motor is not obstructed, as I can freely spin the spindle with my finger.
- I thought it might be the IC chip because I got an error message about invalid copyright information when I tried to play a demo, but apparently I'm not the only one to get that message after the 1.10 update to Echochrome. It plays the Sonic demo just fine.
My main question is whether the disc spins before or after it verifies there is a disc in there (by shining the laser and waiting for the reflection). If it is supposed to spin before, then the motor might be dead. If it spins after, then the laser might be too weak? Like I said, it does emit a light but it's not especially bright (although I don't know how bright it's supposed to be).
Either way, the KEM-400AAA whatever assembly will probably fix it, but I don't want to be replacing it every 20 hours of use as that would probably be about once a week for me. Originally, it wasn't even a question for me. I was going to save about $90 and replace it myself, but with the absolutely terrible quality they seem to have, the 3-month warranty on a refurb and fast turnaround time from Sony is looking pretty good right now.
What do you guys think?
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andrewsss
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29. December 2008 @ 17:28 |
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Thanks a lot guys for the info.
Yea well it has the serial number sticker on it. Just the security seal has been voided. I have read that sony wouldn't even touch the machine if it is voided. And plus paying out more money is just adding up to possibly enough to afford a new system with warrenty. I hate how i alway choose to take a deal and get burned in the end.
Out of this all i have learned a great lesson about electronics particularly these days. I strongly beleive it is sony's mess up with the updates. But hey who am i to argue that.
Anyways thanks guys.
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Qubo
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31. December 2008 @ 14:30 |
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Hi everybody!
Not knowing that the BD-Drive ist "married" to the Motherboard with a key similar to the XBox 360,I bought a bundle of 5 defective 60GB PS3 consoles(I run a small business besides my job,but not specialized in consoles though).Okay,4 consoles are dead(black screen)and some parts are missing.One console works fine but does not read any media.I tried the other 3 BD-Drives and also the one from my own 80GB PS3(allthough it is a different Drive):they all work fine,inserted media(CD/DVD/BD)starts to spin with correct speed,"loading bubble" shows up in the top right corner,but nothing happens.
Okay,this was very strange and so I started to look for Info and found this thread.My problem now is,that the BD-Drive from the only working PS3 is missing!My question now is,is the matching key on the MOBO for the BD-Drive somehow stored in a seperate chip too(like on the BD-Drive),which I can take from one MOBO and solder it on another MOBO?
And for the other consoles,are there any "typical" (small)problems known that result in a powering up but not booting system(besides possibly burnt RSX and/or GPU).I mean the fuses are all okay,but maybe a another small part is burned?Of course I checked the MOBOs but haven´t found anything,everything seems fine but they don´t boot.
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RichDomi
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1. January 2009 @ 13:13 |
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I think you are confused. The controler board is married to the motherboard, its the board under the Bluray drive that has all the information. There are a lot of pages in here but you should start from the beginning as we talk about the Nand chip which contains the information and firmware married to the motherboard which can be removed and added to a working controller board if the problem is that the drive is not playing the media, also keep in mind that you have to make sure its not the bluray drive that is having the problem.
Also you can't compare the 360 to the ps3 as the 360 drive key is flashed into the chip on their drive. The PS3 is more advanced as the blueray controller card is needed even to play demos so there is a highler level security hence why it has not been cracked yet.
Happy New Year
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Qubo
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1. January 2009 @ 15:12 |
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@RichDomi
I´ve read the whole thread and I do understand what the problem is.My thoughts were just,that the MOBO identifys the Drive-Board by comparing the keys and that the key therefore also is stored somewhere on the MOBO just like the key ist stored on the Drive-Board in the NAND.Okay,guess I´m wrong.
Anyway,so if you have a MOBO without the original BD-Drive including the Drive-Board(like in my case)there´s no way to get a another BD-Drive to work in that console?Oh,and the other Drives are okay I guess.I tested each Drive with each of the 4 Drive-Boards and it was allways the same:everything works fine but game does not start.And you´re right,also Demos from HDD do not start(also tested with all 4 Drive-Boards).
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RichDomi
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1. January 2009 @ 17:20 |
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Originally posted by Qubo:
@RichDomi
I´ve read the whole thread and I do understand what the problem is.My thoughts were just,that the MOBO identifys the Drive-Board by comparing the keys and that the key therefore also is stored somewhere on the MOBO just like the key ist stored on the Drive-Board in the NAND.Okay,guess I´m wrong.
Anyway,so if you have a MOBO without the original BD-Drive including the Drive-Board(like in my case)there´s no way to get a another BD-Drive to work in that console?Oh,and the other Drives are okay I guess.I tested each Drive with each of the 4 Drive-Boards and it was allways the same:everything works fine but game does not start.And you´re right,also Demos from HDD do not start(also tested with all 4 Drive-Boards).
there is a matching nand chip on the mobo, only frederico has successfully attached the nand chip to a new controller board but i don't know of anyone who acutally exhange that chip on the mobo
regarding the drive that is not married to anything, so you can swap bd drives in any of the ps3 except where some drives have two lenses and the newer ones have one to do both function. I swapped my 80 gig drive with my 40 gig ps3 to see if it worked and i kept it that way and both of my drives work.
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coxwain
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2. January 2009 @ 01:29 |
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Originally posted by kjb034:
Hi guys. First of all, this is a great thread!
My PS3 froze during a Blu-ray and then stopped reading discs. Hopefully you guys can offer some advice.
- I am no longer in warranty (expired in Sep. 08) and the warranty sticker is gone.
- I am comfortable replacing parts myself as long as it doesn't require soldering (I don't have any soldering experience).
- The system accepts/ejects discs properly.
- The blue light on the console works properly.
- I see the loading "bubble" on the screen after a disc is inserted.
- The laser mechanism does move (tested by moving the laser all the way back and watched it move to the front as I loaded a disc).
- The tray does move up to hold the disc.
- The laser moves vertically 3 times and shines a light (it's not very bright though).
- Discs DO NOT spin.
- The motor is not obstructed, as I can freely spin the spindle with my finger.
- I thought it might be the IC chip because I got an error message about invalid copyright information when I tried to play a demo, but apparently I'm not the only one to get that message after the 1.10 update to Echochrome. It plays the Sonic demo just fine.
My main question is whether the disc spins before or after it verifies there is a disc in there (by shining the laser and waiting for the reflection). If it is supposed to spin before, then the motor might be dead. If it spins after, then the laser might be too weak? Like I said, it does emit a light but it's not especially bright (although I don't know how bright it's supposed to be).
Either way, the KEM-400AAA whatever assembly will probably fix it, but I don't want to be replacing it every 20 hours of use as that would probably be about once a week for me. Originally, it wasn't even a question for me. I was going to save about $90 and replace it myself, but with the absolutely terrible quality they seem to have, the 3-month warranty on a refurb and fast turnaround time from Sony is looking pretty good right now.
What do you guys think?
I have the exact same problem
40gig older CECHG01
Drive takes and ejects disks,
disk buble in upper corner
blue light on
lazer moves up and down to focus with vilote light and up and down spindle but disks dont spin
I can play demos on my system no problem
What model of lazer do you buy for the older 40 gig
could it be the IC chip that I keep reading about?
How do you tell what type of board you would need to replace?
I hope it isnt the chip
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RichDomi
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2. January 2009 @ 01:34 |
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Originally posted by coxwain:
Originally posted by kjb034:
Hi guys. First of all, this is a great thread!
My PS3 froze during a Blu-ray and then stopped reading discs. Hopefully you guys can offer some advice.
- I am no longer in warranty (expired in Sep. 08) and the warranty sticker is gone.
- I am comfortable replacing parts myself as long as it doesn't require soldering (I don't have any soldering experience).
- The system accepts/ejects discs properly.
- The blue light on the console works properly.
- I see the loading "bubble" on the screen after a disc is inserted.
- The laser mechanism does move (tested by moving the laser all the way back and watched it move to the front as I loaded a disc).
- The tray does move up to hold the disc.
- The laser moves vertically 3 times and shines a light (it's not very bright though).
- Discs DO NOT spin.
- The motor is not obstructed, as I can freely spin the spindle with my finger.
- I thought it might be the IC chip because I got an error message about invalid copyright information when I tried to play a demo, but apparently I'm not the only one to get that message after the 1.10 update to Echochrome. It plays the Sonic demo just fine.
My main question is whether the disc spins before or after it verifies there is a disc in there (by shining the laser and waiting for the reflection). If it is supposed to spin before, then the motor might be dead. If it spins after, then the laser might be too weak? Like I said, it does emit a light but it's not especially bright (although I don't know how bright it's supposed to be).
Either way, the KEM-400AAA whatever assembly will probably fix it, but I don't want to be replacing it every 20 hours of use as that would probably be about once a week for me. Originally, it wasn't even a question for me. I was going to save about $90 and replace it myself, but with the absolutely terrible quality they seem to have, the 3-month warranty on a refurb and fast turnaround time from Sony is looking pretty good right now.
What do you guys think?
I have the exact same problem
40gig older CECHG01
Drive takes and ejects disks,
disk buble in upper corner
blue light on
lazer moves up and down to focus with vilote light and up and down spindle but disks dont spin
I can play demos on my system no problem
What model of lazer do you buy for the older 40 gig
could it be the IC chip that I keep reading about?
How do you tell what type of board you would need to replace?
I hope it isnt the chip
if the bubble comes on and you can see light then it might be your IC chip, have you tried cleaning the laser? when you open up the bluray drive the model number is stamp on the aluminum cage that the laser is on. I think the best way to figure out if its the laser is to get a friends ps3 and swap the drives to see if it works with your friends drive
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coxwain
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2. January 2009 @ 01:43 |
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I just had the unit apart and didnt notice the drive model #
I will look again, is it on the metal casing of the drive or the drive frame, what exactly am I looking for and where? colour of sticker or engraved model #
I don't have a friends I can compare it too.
The fact that the drive doesn't spin would indicate to me that its the IC chip but I don't know how realistic that is.
The lazer emmits a light but it doesn't seem that bright and it is violet too.
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coxwain
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2. January 2009 @ 02:30 |
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BTW the Laser is a KES-400A
So what part do I need to order to get the deck with it?
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RichDomi
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2. January 2009 @ 09:54 |
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Originally posted by coxwain:
BTW the Laser is a KES-400A
So what part do I need to order to get the deck with it?
thanks
I sent you a private message
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coxwain
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2. January 2009 @ 10:13 |
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What is the difference between the kes kem and 410 400
Thanks for the pm
I'm in Toronto And if I go for service route I want some e close by
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RichDomi
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2. January 2009 @ 16:28 |
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410 has two lasers one for DVD and one for Bluray, 400 combined both of those in one laser.
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coxwain
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2. January 2009 @ 16:36 |
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Does it matter which one you use?
Also does Kes and kev mean anything
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grazzly75
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2. January 2009 @ 16:58 |
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ok sorry to change the subject but i ordered a KEM-400aaa assembly from psx boy and they gave me some invalid info for trackin my shipment. has anyone else had this problem with psx boy or am i just worrying to much. i am worried that it is a fake website trying to take my money and im mad because i just wanted my ps3 fixed so i didnt have to send it in to sony. any one have some advice
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RichDomi
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3. January 2009 @ 10:10 |
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Originally posted by coxwain:
Does it matter which one you use?
Also does Kes and kev mean anything
yes it does, you must use the correct laser for which you have so if you have the single one get the 400 and if you have the double laser get the 410
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dravn8004
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3. January 2009 @ 11:49 |
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Originally posted by grazzly75:
ok sorry to change the subject but i ordered a KEM-400aaa assembly from psx boy and they gave me some invalid info for trackin my shipment. has anyone else had this problem with psx boy or am i just worrying to much. i am worried that it is a fake website trying to take my money and im mad because i just wanted my ps3 fixed so i didnt have to send it in to sony. any one have some advice
i didnt have any problems getting the laser when i ordered from psx boy. it arrived in about a week even though it was a bad laser.
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3. January 2009 @ 12:05 |
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Hello fellow afterdawners,
Does anyone know of someone that will actually fix a bad laser itself?
i have about five bad lasers that i have swapped out with working ones and was just wondering about this before i tossed them...
By the way there are several different reliable sellers on ebay for lasers, but DO NOT BUY FROM SJSHARKS903, i REPEAT DO NOT BUY FROM SJSHARKS903, on ebay.... i bought my first from him and it didn't work from day 1,i had to pay shipping to return to get my money back. i bought another and didn't realize it was the same seller , i didn't want to get a strike on my ebay account , so i went thru with the purchase and the laser worked for 2 days only playing games for a total of 1 hour or so and it went out, now he is saying that it was not dead on arrival so S.O.L......sorry for venting....and the caps
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coxwain
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5. January 2009 @ 13:31 |
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One more questions on the drive compatibility list
My PS3 was a refurbished from EBgames and it worked for about 6 months without a problem then the drive just failed completely
the Drive is not spinning.
My question is what BR drive are companible with what models?
[url=http://playstation.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/playstation.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=232][/url]
Could there be a chance that the KES-400a lens was put into a KEM-410 box? since it seems the drive motor is broken?
Can the KES-410/400 be interchanged? or the KEM-410/400 be interchanged?
The KEM-410 would seem to me to be more reliable as you wouldn't loose all access to the drive maybe br or dvd
Could it just be the HUB motor?
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