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federicob
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24. November 2008 @ 07:59 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Yeah, I'm pretty bummed out. I had so much hope after Federico was successful, I might give it another go, I'm hoping that I just didn't get enough solder on the IC. I've tried three times, though. I'm going to try to find a different kind of solder paste, the one I had is primarily for tinning copper pipes and hobby projects....
i give you two tips: 1-after place the reballed chip in position apply a tiny layer of flux on the controller board 2-double check the allignment, this is the most inportant step on the prosses if you not allign it perfect it wont work
i hope this tips coul help you, and also double check the reballed chip, to see if it get enough solder it must looks just exsactly as you see in mi video (you need a magnefying glass to check it right), federico
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24. November 2008 @ 08:41 |
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I've calmed down a bit (I tried it over Saturday and Sunday), I'll probably try it again. I tried it with an iron and thin silver infused solder, and with the solder paste and I wasn't happy with the amount of solder I was able to get onto the contacts. I even tried putting solder on the controller board as well as the chip, still nada. Hopefully I'll get the right stuff and give it another go...we'll see.
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RichDomi
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24. November 2008 @ 09:40 |
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yeah I did the same thing putting solder on the board and chip as well as applying a tiny amount on the solder before putting it on. does anyone know how much heat these chip can take doing it so many time I fear that I burnt it out.
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federicob
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24. November 2008 @ 13:25 |
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Originally posted by RichDomi:
yeah I did the same thing putting solder on the board and chip as well as applying a tiny amount on the solder before putting it on. does anyone know how much heat these chip can take doing it so many time I fear that I burnt it out.
i use mi heat gun regulated for 300 C, and i did the rework 3 times in one controller (the one that makes mi ps3 works again) and 6 times in another contoller (the one i use for practice) and the chip works after all this reworks. But on my experience puting solder in bouth, the conttroller and the chip it doesnt work for mi (yes, i try it), for two reasons: 1-the tiny spots of solder on the chip and the controller have "semicircular form", so its very dificult to allign the chip right (becouse there are two semicircles face to face), and as a say before allign is very inportant 2- you are making some presure to get the chip in position and ones the solder melts (if you put it in bouth the chip and the controller could be to much) and make bridges between points, i hope this helps, federico
PS: the use of flux is VERY inportant too, you must use it for the reball and also apply a tiny leyer on the controller before placing the chip for resolder
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luther2
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24. November 2008 @ 19:43 |
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I have read this entire thread, very useful information.
I am uncertain at the moment where to proceed with my 40 GB.
When a Blue Ray is inserted, the blue light comes on and the disc spins, the bubble appears in the right corner. After a few seconds the disc stops spinning. When a dvd is inserted the laser emits blue light then red light and the disk spins after a few seconds the disc stops.
My question is, since the disc spins and the laser emits light is the laser bad or is it the controller board?
Any help is appreciated.
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Shaddow08
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24. November 2008 @ 20:24 |
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I have to say your laser is dead or is almost dead it is time to replace it the diode is weak!!!!!
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Shaddow08
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24. November 2008 @ 20:36 |
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Oh and as far as the control board goes the video on here is of removing the NAND flash chip. You might be better off replacing the IC.You can find the new IC chip online for about $20, Because if you damage your NAND chip your ps3 is trash!!! Because that has the firmware and the keys on it!!! The IC is not a flash chip it just has very very basic info on it for the spindle motor and worm gear motor... If you mess that up you can just buy a new one they are all the same!!!
here is a pic of the NAND and the IC http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/BFeldhak/zz-ps3-db400.jpg
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Shaddow08
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24. November 2008 @ 20:40 |
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luther2
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24. November 2008 @ 20:41 |
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Since the laser moves, emits light, and the disc spins, do you think it is still the laser?
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Shaddow08
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24. November 2008 @ 20:49 |
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Yes I have had repaired 2 just like the problem you are having, I fixed them with new lasers, When you order your laser get it with deck just to be on the safe side.
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luther2
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24. November 2008 @ 21:15 |
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Shaddow08
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24. November 2008 @ 23:00 |
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This is my suppler http://myworld.ebay.com/fuzionelectronics he has never wronged me in anyway!!! Plus he only sells brown clip lasers and he does test everything he sells!!! I don't trust yallstore they screwed me and sold me junk!!! Just email my suppler he will help you out plus he ships super fast!!!
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rej915
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28. November 2008 @ 23:49 |
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Originally posted by luther2:
Since the laser moves, emits light, and the disc spins, do you think it is still the laser?
My PS3 was having the same symptoms as the ones you described. After reading the entire thread I decided that replacing the laser was my best odds at fixing my PS3. I purchased the laser from PSXBOY. The laser transplant operation went smoothly and my drive was restored. I have only recently changed the laser so let's say "so far, so good". I will conduct a thorough test of drive with all media formats, and I hope that the replacement laser lasts longer than the original laser. That one lasted me only a year and eight months.
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6. December 2008 @ 19:11 |
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Hi guys,
Can anyone advise me further?
My son has a PS3 and when he bought a game recently the Bluray spins but no games can be read.
Does anyone have any ideas what the problem could be?
Cheers
Warby.
Warby
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Shaddow08
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7. December 2008 @ 02:42 |
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Needs new laser!!!!! just email this guy http://myworld.ebay.com/fuzionelectronics he will help you out tell him what version you have he has new tested lasers I buy from him all the time and never had a problem and if you don't want to install it he will do it for you!!!! just send him your drive he will replace your bad parts with new ones your drive will work like new you he will fix same day
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7. December 2008 @ 09:07 |
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Originally posted by warby111:
Hi guys,
Can anyone advise me further?
My son has a PS3 and when he bought a game recently the Bluray spins but no games can be read.
Does anyone have any ideas what the problem could be?
Cheers
Warby.
Warby,
First off, is the PS3 still under warranty? If it is, obviously ring Sony and have them send you a 'coffin'. They'll either repair your unit or replace it with another unit for free.
If your unit is out of warranty, the repair itself isn't too difficult. You have two paths to take regarding a faulty laser, the first is to get just the laser lens assembly, the second is to get the entire tray which includes the metal bracket, laser and worm gear. Obviously the laser lens itself is the less expensive fix, but the tray assembly is, in my opinion, an easier DIY job.
There are many options on where to get the part from, read through this entire thread and you'll see more options that just Shadow's suggestion (not saying to dismiss his advice, just don't lock yourself in to one poster's comments).
Good luck!
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7. December 2008 @ 15:33 |
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Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Originally posted by warby111:
Hi guys,
Can anyone advise me further?
My son has a PS3 and when he bought a game recently the Bluray spins but no games can be read.
Does anyone have any ideas what the problem could be?
Cheers
Warby.
Warby,
First off, is the PS3 still under warranty? If it is, obviously ring Sony and have them send you a 'coffin'. They'll either repair your unit or replace it with another unit for free.
If your unit is out of warranty, the repair itself isn't too difficult. You have two paths to take regarding a faulty laser, the first is to get just the laser lens assembly, the second is to get the entire tray which includes the metal bracket, laser and worm gear. Obviously the laser lens itself is the less expensive fix, but the tray assembly is, in my opinion, an easier DIY job.
There are many options on where to get the part from, read through this entire thread and you'll see more options that just Shadow's suggestion (not saying to dismiss his advice, just don't lock yourself in to one poster's comments).
Good luck!
Thanks for your replies, my son bought it second hand so Sony told him where to go basically. I will look into costing it out and repairing myself as not too bad at repairing consoles and PC's etc so a simple laser should be straight forward (i hope) lol.
Thanks again to you both for the advice.
Warby
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wetmonk
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10. December 2008 @ 13:32 |
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Originally posted by RichDomi:
Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Rich,
I've seen numerous youtube videos with people using a thin tip soldering iron with wire solder, so yes. I really liked Federico's idea of using the paste, though, I have to admit I wasn't looking forward to 64 teeny tiny solders :)
Yeah I hear ya. I found the specs for the chip and was thinking of getting that quick stencil from solder.net. It would have to be custome made but I would need to find at least 5 people who would like to cover the cost. And i guess with this way we get two stencils each and it should work on the first try.
There is another option the ezreball which in the template already has the solder balls and just need to heat it up to flow the solder. that is 105 but you get a pack of 15 which comes out to 7 bucks a piece.
.8mm Pitch
ball size is between .3 to .4mm and .18mm thick
I think I'm going to place an order for the Stencilquick kit. Can you post a link to the chip datasheet/specs? I trust your specs listed here but perhaps sending them a datasheet when placing the order may be helpful.
Thanks,
-Andy
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SoKaStr7
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10. December 2008 @ 16:19 |
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I am not sure if this is the right place to post this but here goes
I bought this PS3 unit that would freeze and then wouldnt read discs, so i replaced the blu ray laser on it thinking that might be the problem. After i replaced it i tested it out and tried playing some MLB The Show 08. I selected the quick game option, First the game took forever to load so i restarted, then as soon as i selected the teams after the restart and tried to start a game the Game shut off itself and went back to the PS3 Menu then it didnt read the disc as being in the system at all. So i shut down the system then started it back up again and tried a different game. I put in Madden and it read that there was a disc in the system but when i went to load it the screen went black. So i again went back and this time the disc didnt show up at all.
It has happened a couple times where the Disc would not mount, It wouldnt eject the disc unless i went in manually and took it out but once i took it out the same problem wouldnt happen for a while, I dont think its the laser because One thing that has been pretty consistent is that after the game doesnt load (it will go to the game screen, It just wont leave the screen with the loading bar) I will eject it and it will go back to the ps3 screen but wont play another disc, but if i shut down the system with no disc in it and restart it then put a disc in, it will read it everytime and go back to the loading screen and freeze.
Right now i am reformatting the hard drive and see what that does, Next i may replace the BD7956FS IC? Maybe the chip isnt spinning the disc as fast as it needs it to or its just burnt out? because the disc is spinning but stops when it realizes the game isnt going to load. Could this also be because the spindle motor died?
Any help would be greatly appreciated
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RichDomi
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10. December 2008 @ 20:02 |
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Originally posted by wetmonk:
Originally posted by RichDomi:
Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Rich,
I've seen numerous youtube videos with people using a thin tip soldering iron with wire solder, so yes. I really liked Federico's idea of using the paste, though, I have to admit I wasn't looking forward to 64 teeny tiny solders :)
Yeah I hear ya. I found the specs for the chip and was thinking of getting that quick stencil from solder.net. It would have to be custome made but I would need to find at least 5 people who would like to cover the cost. And i guess with this way we get two stencils each and it should work on the first try.
There is another option the ezreball which in the template already has the solder balls and just need to heat it up to flow the solder. that is 105 but you get a pack of 15 which comes out to 7 bucks a piece.
.8mm Pitch
ball size is between .3 to .4mm and .18mm thick
I think I'm going to place an order for the Stencilquick kit. Can you post a link to the chip datasheet/specs? I trust your specs listed here but perhaps sending them a datasheet when placing the order may be helpful.
Thanks,
-Andy
Andy I came across the specs from the spansion site by searching the numbers on the chip and I believe this is it http://www.spansion.com/datasheets/S29AL016D_00_a7_e.pdf you can double check to make sure it is correct, I think they updated their series on this chip and changed the name.
Also it mentions in there that if done with prolong heat it will damange it. clearly frederico got his to work so although I failed I was not willing to try anymore. I should of done the IC chip replacement first for my issue where it did not spin the disk before attempting to swap the nand chip. When I had the card before the changes it allowed me to play demo so i think my issue was the ic chip or something else on the ctrl board, after the failed swap i could not play demos or the bd drive would not even take the disk in. With the stencil I think it is the best option to avoid heat damange to the chip.
I took the leap and found a motherboard on ebay with ctrl card and everything works now, I could not pass up the deal with ebay.com and Live.com which netted me a 20% cashback to my paypal.
Good luck
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wetmonk
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11. December 2008 @ 11:38 |
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Originally posted by RichDomi:
Originally posted by wetmonk:
Originally posted by RichDomi:
Originally posted by oxbullsey:
Rich,
I've seen numerous youtube videos with people using a thin tip soldering iron with wire solder, so yes. I really liked Federico's idea of using the paste, though, I have to admit I wasn't looking forward to 64 teeny tiny solders :)
Yeah I hear ya. I found the specs for the chip and was thinking of getting that quick stencil from solder.net. It would have to be custome made but I would need to find at least 5 people who would like to cover the cost. And i guess with this way we get two stencils each and it should work on the first try.
There is another option the ezreball which in the template already has the solder balls and just need to heat it up to flow the solder. that is 105 but you get a pack of 15 which comes out to 7 bucks a piece.
.8mm Pitch
ball size is between .3 to .4mm and .18mm thick
I think I'm going to place an order for the Stencilquick kit. Can you post a link to the chip datasheet/specs? I trust your specs listed here but perhaps sending them a datasheet when placing the order may be helpful.
Thanks,
-Andy
Andy I came across the specs from the spansion site by searching the numbers on the chip and I believe this is it http://www.spansion.com/datasheets/S29AL016D_00_a7_e.pdf you can double check to make sure it is correct, I think they updated their series on this chip and changed the name.
Also it mentions in there that if done with prolong heat it will damange it. clearly frederico got his to work so although I failed I was not willing to try anymore. I should of done the IC chip replacement first for my issue where it did not spin the disk before attempting to swap the nand chip. When I had the card before the changes it allowed me to play demo so i think my issue was the ic chip or something else on the ctrl board, after the failed swap i could not play demos or the bd drive would not even take the disk in. With the stencil I think it is the best option to avoid heat damange to the chip.
I took the leap and found a motherboard on ebay with ctrl card and everything works now, I could not pass up the deal with ebay.com and Live.com which netted me a 20% cashback to my paypal.
Good luck
Thanks for trying, unfortunately this spec sheet lists a 48 pin BGA package, not a 64 pin. I'll keep looking.
20% cashback to paypal? w00t! was that a one-time coupon deal?
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RichDomi
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11. December 2008 @ 15:00 |
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Originally posted by wetmonk:
Thanks for trying, unfortunately this spec sheet lists a 48 pin BGA package, not a 64 pin. I'll keep looking.
20% cashback to paypal? w00t! was that a one-time coupon deal?
Sorry I thought that was the right one but if you search for the numbers on the chip it should take you to the spansion site to get the spec sheets.
I only used it once but it does not seem to be a one time deal only. Go to live.com and create an account and cashback account and then search for products then go from there and search for the board. max I think is $200 on one purchase or for the year I am not sure of the full details.
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14. December 2008 @ 21:13 |
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sounds like you guys have quite the time invested in this thing... but good work! much info to be learned from this thread!
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wetmonk
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15. December 2008 @ 10:23 |
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Just to follow up...
Spansion could not provide me with any further details on the S99-50111-001, other than to say it is physically different from the S99-50111. They did verify that it is 'logically' the same as the S29AL016D. "If you're writing software for the device you can use that as a reference". LOL - not me. But wow their engineer was very courteous and helpful despite not being able to give me what I needed!
I contacted solder.net, and they did say if I sent them a sample they could make the solderquik templates for me. So I'll be sending that out sometime this week (thx for the idea Rich). We haven't discussed price, but I'm expecting I'll need to order the min. quantity of 10 and it should be around $7 a piece.
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justw
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15. December 2008 @ 16:25 |
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can i just say , what a excellent thread this is , it really has helped me no end , to figure out what and where the problem is in general with ps3 drives , with the issues stated , it answered all the questions in my mind which have been nagging at me , thank you all , excellent thread :) :)
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