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29. October 2008 @ 08:57 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Skipping all this stuff about Vista, Windows 7 looks AMAZING.

I can't wait to try out the beta!!! Very nice interface, and it runs fine on a 1Ghz netbook with 1GB of RAM!
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29. October 2008 @ 09:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well, KDE is very vista-esque and modern, and runs fine on an old Sempron with 512MB of RAM. On Vista, that system would barely boot up under the quarter-hour mark, and would be of no use to anyone.
Vista is useful as an OS, but defending how much it whores hardware is no different do defending how Crysis whores hardware. It's needless, and is why it has earned the reputation it's got.



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i dont think vista brings a 3870 and 3.6GHz Q6600 to its knees at 2560 though.....
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ok. ive gone back to the sata hdd that has XP on it. i havent done anything to this hdd. been useing it fora hour or so now..went to use my samsung s203b drive. wont do anything. i look in the control panel it has it as yyyyyyyyyyy:ATA or some sort... i try to use dvdidentifier and it wont display and info on the disc in it.. so i went and uninstalled it rebooted and now windows wont load?????ti comes to the windows screen with the little blue icon spinning around and that s it wont go any farther that that.... but i login to vista and it boots up fine but it say it cant find the driver for the samsung drive???
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29. October 2008 @ 11:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
on the HP system now.
it wont even post now??? turn it on and the fans and lights come on then they shut off.. over and over again??? any ideas?


i have had it unplugged and cleared cmos. unplugged the hdd that had vista on it. still the same thing.turns on, the fans spin lights flasj then shuts down and restarts. guess im gonna have to tear it down and redo it..

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Unplug the Samsung drive from the system, what happens then?

Originally posted by spamual:
i dont think vista brings a 3870 and 3.6GHz Q6600 to its knees at 2560 though.....
What does?



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gonna try that now. i will unplug everything but my main hdd and try it.

nope same problem
wonder if i need to unplug the sata drive and leave the ide one on and try it

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The reason I suggest that as seeing something like "yyyyyyyyyy:ATA" is not a good sign, it suggests there are big issues with that drive, and a faulty drive could easily stop a system from POSTing.



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Originally posted by cincyrob:
on the HP system now.
it wont even post now??? turn it on adn hte fans and lights come on then they shut off.. over and over again??? any ideas?
Is that the new HP Christmas tree?? Sounds like it.... :)

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On my computer I had to unplug my IDE Drives in order for the SATA to B reconized, even externals
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well i got the mobo out now. seeing i got it out im gonna swap coolers.check and see if the one on it now isnt loose. check the mem and make sure its in place good and snug. takeing the ide card controller out as well as the ide hdd. be back in a few with the results
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29. October 2008 @ 12:56 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by greensman:
Originally posted by cincyrob:
on the HP system now.
it wont even post now??? turn it on adn hte fans and lights come on then they shut off.. over and over again??? any ideas?
Is that the new HP Christmas tree?? Sounds like it.... :)

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no the HP system is working fine. its my build that is in the junk box now..lol
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29. October 2008 @ 13:15 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by sammorris:
Unplug the Samsung drive from the system, what happens then?

Originally posted by spamual:
i dont think vista brings a 3870 and 3.6GHz Q6600 to its knees at 2560 though.....
What does?
u said its no differnt to how crysis whores hardware......
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29. October 2008 @ 13:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Yes but the difference is people who buy a PC get vista whether they game or not, and more often than otherwise, the system isn't up to the task of running the OS.



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could the gpu cause it to not fire up like that? ive gotten it all back together now. it fires up and runs longer but it dont show anything on the monitor then it shuts back down. i also only have 1 stick of mem in it right now as well.
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29. October 2008 @ 13:42 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Pretty much anything can cause it except heat - if it was a heat-related problem it wouldn't reboot, it would shut down and remain off.



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29. October 2008 @ 13:55 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
im thinking it might be the gpu...

the last time it was running i changed the order of the hdd's to boot. the ide first then the sata. ide being the one with vista on it.
with it out it just fires up for a few seconds then shuts down. with it in and the sata unplugged it fires up runs for a good minute long enough for windows to start loading. but while this is going one nothing shows on the monitor not even the gigabyte logo.
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Yeah could well be a faulty GPU then.



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the only thing that makes me wonder if it is the gpu, why would it be fine until i turned the puter off then when i go and start it back up this happens?

now while it was down i did take some air and shot it around getting the dust off everything? would that affect it any?
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It shouldn't do, but components are sensitive to heat cycles, warming up and cooling down. The cooldown period after you last turned it off may have pushed something over the edge.



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On the subject of Windows 7, have just received some info from a site i've been subscribed to for many years and reading thru these, and seeing the pictures i can safely say i'm looking forward to Windows 7. And i haven't felt like that since 24th August 1995 ie when Windows 95 was released.

http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/win7_preview.asp
http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/win7_preview_02.asp
http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/win7_m3_screens.asp

Watch out Windows XP, your time is almost finally up in the creaky household :)
Trouble is, it seems that Win 7 will be able to run on slower machines ie the 1GHz Atom machines and i'd always planned on buying one of those to put Linux on; it looks like Linux might have to get the boxing gloves on for that machine.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
Yes but the difference is people who buy a PC get vista whether they game or not, and more often than otherwise, the system isn't up to the task of running the OS.

I think some of the computer manufacturers deliberately crippled Vista. HP had one model that had 128MB of ram and another with 256MB, and even bragged about it on a label on the front of the machine. 128 and 256MB are well below the minimum needed for Vista! It runs, but can you say "Wading in Fudge"! LOL!! Terribly slow, and a BSOD nightmare! 1 or 2 MB of ram makes it an entirely different machine, both faster and better!

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Originally posted by creaky:
On the subject of Windows 7, have just received some info from a site i've been subscribed to for many years and reading thru these, and seeing the pictures i can safely say i'm looking forward to Windows 7. And i haven't felt like that since 24th August 1995 ie when Windows 95 was released.

http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/win7_preview.asp
http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/win7_preview_02.asp
http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/win7_m3_screens.asp

Watch out Windows XP, your time is almost finally up in the creaky household :)
Trouble is, it seems that Win 7 will be able to run on slower machines ie the 1GHz Atom machines and i'd always planned on buying one of those to put Linux on; it looks like Linux might have to get the boxing gloves on for that machine.

I remember that day very well. I so looked forward to 95! It was a major disappointment when it turned out to be completely different than the Beta 95 I had used for months, and no where near as good!

I think the biggest thing I liked about XP was that you could install it in virtually any computer. I have XP-Pro running on my next door neighbors Pentium 100. Works very well on AMD K6 chips, even ones as slow as 350MHZ.

Russ


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yeah but sam, thats nto the fault of vista, more of the manufacturers who sell vista with BS hardware.
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