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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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29. October 2008 @ 17:57 |
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No, its the fault of vista for being triple as demanding as XP. To get the same PC to give the same performance in Vista as one would in XP, at least at release it needed triple the cost, now less so, but still increased.
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29. October 2008 @ 18:01 |
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Newer software needs newer components? REALLY?!
lol Although to be fair you can do everything you can in Vista, in XP.
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29. October 2008 @ 18:07 |
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Precisely my point. New = more demanding is fine, as long as it isn't new for new's sake, which most of Vista is.
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29. October 2008 @ 18:13 |
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True, although Windows 7 is what Vista should have been. They take the new changes and make them run much better.
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29. October 2008 @ 18:49 |
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Which is what they should have done in the first place, but now that's being addressed they can count me (back) in. They were probably stuffing the OS full of loads of unnecessary 'features' "just because some newer pc's are more powerful" - as i say, that was a ridiculous justification. Well as long as they don't expect me to want their Automatic Updates anyway. Two years into Vista's life Microsoft announce that we're going to get a faster leaner OS - it just goes to show that half the known world actually wants an OS that doesn't require them to own a pc such as this -
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29. October 2008 @ 19:02 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Which is what they should have done in the first place, but now that's being addressed they can count me in. Well as long as they don't expect me to want their Automatic Updates anyway.
I've had few issues with Automatic Updates, although I choose when to download them and pick only what I want to add. M$ has gotten less friendly though! The first time I had a problem after an update, M$ used Remote computer to fix the problem. The last time I got India! They wanted $74 to even talk to me, even though I explained that it was their upgrade that caused the problem. They told me that I had no software warranty, that it had expired. I argued that it was their brand new update, which was new software that caused the problem, but got nowhere! I wound up fixing it myself!
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29. October 2008 @ 20:19 |
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windows 7 is not being rushed out.
IICR, MOST windows releases were every 3 years or so, then vista took about 6, and came out in jan 2007. windows 7 is now going to be release IICR jan 10, and if my math is right, thats about 3 years....
the only rushed OS was XP, a year after ME, becuase ME was so bad.
by the way the core of windows 7 is vista, its just more optomised to run on crapper hardware, and shiney new UI.
also russ your still gonna have to learn the 20 things to get to one place where 3 woudl do in XP :D
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29. October 2008 @ 21:05 |
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Actually I find it's the other way around. Vista is more intuitive, and once you learn it it gets things done faster than XP.
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29. October 2008 @ 21:24 |
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id agree, im just saying what russ did a while back.
IMO vista has been MSs best OS
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29. October 2008 @ 21:33 |
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Well it has it's problems too.
I liked 98 the best. I upgraded from DOS lol.
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29. October 2008 @ 22:24 |
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dos to win 3.1 to win95 to win98se to xp pro.
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29. October 2008 @ 22:35 |
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Originally posted by spamual:
windows 7 is not being rushed out.
IICR, MOST windows releases were every 3 years or so, then vista took about 6, and came out in jan 2007. windows 7 is now going to be release IICR jan 10, and if my math is right, thats about 3 years....
the only rushed OS was XP, a year after ME, becuase ME was so bad.
by the way the core of windows 7 is vista, its just more optomised to run on crapper hardware, and shiney new UI.
also russ your still gonna have to learn the 20 things to get to one place where 3 woudl do in XP :D
The Stockholders and Board members are not going to stand for Jan 10! that's why I said June 09, as it's what they want! Since their money is paying the bills I suspect!
It's not a matter of having to learn a new OS, It's questioning why we need all the extra moves to do the simplest things! It's sort of like "Phone Book" referencing. You know! Like under "Johnson:see Johnston;Jonsen;etc" and totally unnecessary. The saving grace with Win 7 is you get to make a lot of those choices for yourself on most of the elements included. It seems that they went back to the basic windows icons with 7 as well, from the example pictures I've seen.
The core of Win 7 is not Vista! It has some design elements of Vista in it, but in many ways it should prove to be a superior OS to Vista. Win 7 is designed more around the MB hardware, components and chipsets than ever before. One of the first benefits noted, was all the Startup items and drivers will load simultaneously instead of individually, so boot up times will be much shorter, perhaps as short as 15 seconds! I think we could all go for that!
Why do you say crappier hardware? The hardware is controlled by the drivers. An X48 MB would still be the same MB whether it had Vista or not! If you buy crappy hardware, you pay the price in lost performance, same as always.
Actually that should read "Crappier Software" as if Windows was written in Machine Language, you would have the computer of your dreams right now! Fast beyond your wildest imagination! None of that C++ crap we have to endure now with either OS! That's where all the Bloat is, and C++ is slow! many many times slower than Machine language in execution! We can only dream! The hardware is more than up the task, unfortunately it has to wait for the slower software!
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29. October 2008 @ 22:54 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
It's not a matter of having to learn a new OS, It's questioning why we need all the extra moves to do the simplest things!
i agree. there are two many clicks to do very simple things. like in xp when you right click on the desktop and select properties you get al the desktop options in a box with tabs. in vista it takes me longer to change the settings because of the way the menus are set up.
Originally posted by theonejrs:
The core of Win 7 is not Vista! It has some design elements of Vista in it, but in many ways it should prove to be a superior OS to Vista. Win 7 is designed more around the MB hardware, components and chipsets than ever before. One of the first benefits noted, was all the Startup items and drivers will load simultaneously instead of individually, so boot up times will be much shorter, perhaps as short as 15 seconds! I think we could all go for that!
Russ
from what i have read windows seven is based off of the windows server 2008 kernel. i am using server 2008 as my main os right now and i love it. it is so much faster and more responsive than vista. this gives me hope that windows 7 will be really good.
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29. October 2008 @ 22:55 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
dos to win 3.1 to win95 to win98se to xp pro.
Same as me except I went from 98se to 2000-Pro to XP-Pro. I liked 2000-Pro, but drivers for it were a bit of a nightmare! I always wondered why, as drivers aren't that difficult to write? In the DOS days, we had to write our own anyway! We also had to write our own config.sys and autoexec.bat files, or none of the hardware would work at all! There was no Plug & Play! LOL!!
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29. October 2008 @ 22:57 |
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well im throwing my hat in the ring for Win98 also.. loved it.was sceptical when 2000 came out then loved it.. hated when XP came out then got my HP system(that im on now) and it had XP home on it.. love it...lol....
and if i found out tomorrow that vista and its driver issues has caused my problems i am haven now. that vista disc is gettin shatterd ino 1000 peices....
im gonna take out the 250 ide hdd put it in my HP rig reformat it wipe it clean and then tr a fresh install on it and see if that fixes the problem. i cant get into bios to change which hdd to boot up to so i figure a fresh install on that drive might fix the problem...if not that then im truely thinking its the GPU
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29. October 2008 @ 22:58 |
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Originally posted by krj15489:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
It's not a matter of having to learn a new OS, It's questioning why we need all the extra moves to do the simplest things!
i agree. there are two many clicks to do very simple things. like in xp when you right click on the desktop and select properties you get al the desktop options in a box with tabs. in vista it takes me longer to change the settings because of the way the menus are set up.
Originally posted by theonejrs:
The core of Win 7 is not Vista! It has some design elements of Vista in it, but in many ways it should prove to be a superior OS to Vista. Win 7 is designed more around the MB hardware, components and chipsets than ever before. One of the first benefits noted, was all the Startup items and drivers will load simultaneously instead of individually, so boot up times will be much shorter, perhaps as short as 15 seconds! I think we could all go for that!
Russ
from what i have read windows seven is based off of the windows server 2008 kernel. i am using server 2008 as my main os right now and i love it. it is so much faster and more responsive than vista. this gives my hope that windows 7 will be really good.
The Server 2008 kernel was my understanding too! At least, that's what I was told!
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29. October 2008 @ 23:00 |
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No, actually Windows 7 has the same core as vista.
Here is a quote from Steve Ballmer.
Originally posted by Steve Ballmer:
?Windows 7 will be Vista, but a lot better,?
I have Windows 7 Build 6801 downloading right now. I'll let you know how that runs on my 5 year old computer with an AMD Athlon XP. Unfortunately this is an older build without the taskbar.
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29. October 2008 @ 23:05 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
well im throwing my hat in the ring for Win98 also.. loved it.was sceptical when 2000 came out then loved it.. hated when XP came out then got my HP system(that im on now) and it had XP home on it.. love it...lol....
and if i found out tomorrow that vista and its driver issues has caused my problems i am haven now. that vista disc is gettin shatterd ino 1000 peices....
im gonna take out the 250 ide hdd put it in my HP rig reformat it wipe it clean and then tr a fresh install on it and see if that fixes the problem. i cant get into bios to change which hdd to boot up to so i figure a fresh install on that drive might fix the problem...if not that then im truely thinking its the GPU
Just for grins keep hitting the F12 key during the post. That should bring up the Boot Menu! Most computers work that way!
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29. October 2008 @ 23:07 |
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3. Interview of Steven Sinofsky by Cnet?s Ina Fried: Steven Sinofsky revealed that Windows 7 will be closely related to Windows Vista. Quotes: ?Windows Vista was about improving those things. We are going to build on the success and the strength of the Windows Server 2008 kernel, and that has all of this work that you've been talking about. The key there is that the kernel in Windows Server 08 is an evolution of the kernel in Windows Vista, and then Windows 7 will be a further evolution of that kernel as well.
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39910/128/
server 2008 is based on vista kernel. windows seven is based on server 2008 kernel.
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29. October 2008 @ 23:10 |
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i was just on Mirc talking with some friends about my problem and got this pm about vista.
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Think we should warn people using vista not to install the two updates released today, because it will mess up their system! I am installing all of microsoft updates on this fresh install to make sure that is what happens so will let you know when the updates are done whether or not micro$oft found a way to disable boot loader or not, so that we can warn others about it.
sounds like my problem
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29. October 2008 @ 23:13 |
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Alright, so that's exactly what I have been saying. They are all based around Windows NT6. All they are doing is improvements to the OS but the core is still NT6(or 6.1 in Windows 7's case).
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29. October 2008 @ 23:13 |
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its like how XP was based on the 2000 kernal.
im sure we will see windows 7 bashing soon, though not from me, but i can here it now, oh windows 7 wont run with XXX 100 year old sound card....lool
well we shall see, i think ill partition 20GBs for it and see who i like it.
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29. October 2008 @ 23:41 |
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Originally posted by spamual:
its like how XP was based on the 2000 kernal.
im sure we will see windows 7 bashing soon, though not from me, but i can here it now, oh windows 7 wont run with XXX 100 year old sound card....lool
well we shall see, i think ill partition 20GBs for it and see who i like it.
No offense, but that's impossible! 2000 was DOS based! XP was it's own operating system totally unrelated to DOS!
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30. October 2008 @ 00:10 |
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Windows 2000= NT 5.0
Windows XP= NT 5.1
Definitely based on the same core. Just Like Windows Vista and Windows 7.
Russ, what you are thinking of is Windows ME. That was based on DOS.
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30. October 2008 @ 00:27 |
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boozer = right.
russ i dont just spout out crap :)
if im not sure i will say so, but when i know its fact, then ill say it up straight
but your right, XP was its own OS not based on DOS :D, but based on NT5, aka windows 2000.
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