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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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14. November 2008 @ 17:13 |
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Russ, FF3 works great here, though i don't use it too often as it's now my secondary browser, Opera being my first. Opera is working very nicely indeed now there's been a few updates of late. Anyways, I also have been upgraded to the new-look Hotmail, it's nice and everything...but it doesn't work correctly in Opera, and this is on 3 or 4 machines so i know it's not just a coincidence, i'm guessing Microsoft have deliberately forgotten to update something so as to bugger up use of Opera. I was about to take a 2hour exam the other day and i was most annoyed that Hotmail wouldn't work via Opera. I found FF3 was fine which is a good job as i only have IE6 which i don't ever use.
I have not long finished rebuilding my sexy little Acer Aspire One and have it just how i like it, Opera & FF3 work great on there too.
I'm not sure how far Microsilly have rolled out the new Hotmail yet, maybe i have it as i've had my hotmail account for what seems like a decade; but as i say it seems to work well other than breaking Opera.
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14. November 2008 @ 17:33 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Russ, FF3 works great here, though i don't use it too often as it's now my secondary browser, Opera being my first. Opera is working very nicely indeed now there's been a few updates of late. Anyways, I also have been upgraded to the new-look Hotmail, it's nice and everything...but it doesn't work correctly in Opera, and this is on 3 or 4 machines so i know it's not just a coincidence, i'm guessing Microsoft have deliberately forgotten to update something so as to bugger up use of Opera. I was about to take a 2hour exam the other day and i was most annoyed that Hotmail wouldn't work via Opera. I found FF3 was fine which is a good job as i only have IE6 which i don't ever use.
I have not long finished rebuilding my sexy little Acer Aspire One and have it just how i like it, Opera & FF3 work great on there too.
I'm not sure how far Microsilly have rolled out the new Hotmail yet, maybe i have it as i've had my hotmail account for what seems like a decade; bit as i say it seems to work well other than breaking Opera.
creaky,
That's one of the nice things about having choices. I just didn't like the way things worked in Opera. I had the latest version and all. My biggest reason for disliking it is downloading stuff, as I prefer Download Manager, and you can't use it in Opera. You can't minimize the screen with Opera,s Download setup as you can only see everything that's going on in a full window, and there's no Spell checking that I can find.
I just installed FF 3 and the new Hotmail (with a gun to my head!) and it all works great together, so I guess I'll stick with it unless I have some problems down the road! I didn't know that my buddy installed FF 3 on Oximoron a few months ago, as it blew things up the first time he tried it, but it seems to work all right now so I said "What the Hell"! If you read the recommendations on-line, they all seem to rate IE as the most secure! Now that's what I call a real Joke! Opera is supposed to be the fastest Browser, but I found it to be slower than FF 3 by a wide margin! I have a T1 line too! The matter of all the Cookies and spam was another consideration too! All the extra "free" bookmarks they put in turned me off! Just more junk that I don't want! LOL!! I hate gmail too! Nothing but 25 or more Spam emails every day! It's supposed to delete them permanently if you click on "Delete Forever", but that's BS! I don't get 25 Spam emails in 6 months with Hotmail!
Russ
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15. November 2008 @ 01:31 |
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Is this a decent CPU
AMD Phenom 8450 Toliman 2.1GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 95W Triple-Core Processor $99.99 Free Shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103254
I'm wanting to build a Comp 4 my Grand Daughter, 4 Xmas. I don't want to spend a fortune. But at the same time I want something reliable. Also so she can do some Video Conversions at a decent speed, along with other tasks
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15. November 2008 @ 05:12 |
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I'll be honest, for the price that's not a bad CPU for video encoding. A Core 2 Duo will still best it even at video encoding though, especially if you overclock it a bit. On any old cheapo motherboard with basic RAM you can get one of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072
To 3Ghz and beyond on the stock cooler, and at that clock speed it will best the Phenom, despite having one less core.
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15. November 2008 @ 06:52 |
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sammorris..What motherboard would U suggest with that CPU
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15. November 2008 @ 06:58 |
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15. November 2008 @ 20:15 |
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Wow, dudes, I went away for a week tinkering with my old 2005 technology, greeny celebrated his birthday, and all of you guys moved forward about 10 pages!! Speed Read time! Lol
NEW BUILD: Man, sam, that is a slick rig you just built for bazza! Hey Russ, you have the two ide drives for your system, and you have the 6 sata drives for hot swap, etc. Do you have them in a Raid configuration? For my new build I was thinking of just using two satas in the basic Raid so if one drive dies I am still fine on the other. Do I take it that sata controllers are problematic - or is it just for dvd burning that there are problems? Should I make sure I have at least one ide drive for burning? What about program files? Does Raid not work that well? Should I just go with ide and back the thing up once in a while? As you pointed out, or maybe it was creaky, and as I see on my newegg wish lists, they are starting to discontinue the ide drives. (I have a couple of external usb hdd boxes that require ide which is why I am going to be buying two big ones.)
I like that advice about avoiding the GP - fine tuning - "more stuff to go wrong" - my gut tells me you're right. Run those dudes at constant speed and then just have them power save screensaver shut off after 10 minutes if you leave the computer for a couple hours like I do a lot. Right? Or is my "turn them off after 10 minutes" also a bad idea? Originally posted by the great hdd shootout:
Wait! Sam says you can disable the speed change bullsh**t and you will still save $10 a year (let's see, I game once a week for all f**ing day - so that's a buck savings for me whoopee!) LOL Then Sam brings up noise - boozer and shaff chime in with their nonsense lol - and Sam and Russ duke it out. Russ says screw silentpcreview and does his own test on an old college ashtray, and the seagate wins! Sam is speechless but mutters under his breath .... (can't repeat it here I'll be banned lol) You guys take this sh*t serious - 1.5 terabytes for $149, what is the goddamn world coming to? LOL ... OMG holy chr**st shaff just went liquid! I can't take it, it's too much all at once!!! Hahahaha
Ok, that was loads of fun, but other than hard drives....... On the graphics thread, where I earned my wings, sam helped me to understand (damn him! spoilsport! lol) that the new 5870x6 (coming late next year - maybe) won't do a thing for Crysis unless Crytek unlocks the 2-gpu ATI limit, so I'm not holding back anymore - new build with all the bells and whistles - somewhere up to $2000, plus Dell 30" for around $1000. Then I can slightly dial back on all this extremely fascinating techie stuff (in my next life I'll pursue my engineering) and get back to trying to sell some houses - BORING!!!! LOL (You guys didn't know I was hindi - oh sorry creaky, no religion.) Allah Akhbar!
LOL .... Back on topic, I'm picking up Sam's Dominator 4gig sticks with the "fly" little dual fan cooler, and I think I'll go reasonably good crossfire mobo - around $200, maybe Gigabyte like Rob or maybe Asus Deluxe.
But .... all you savvy dudes: for a crossfire mobo, does everybody like those two motherboards, or are there some other favorites for most versatile overclocking, $175-250? Or is one of you guys, creaky, russ, shaff, rick, sam, boozer, rob (cincy how's the job search going - wait, you already got a raise!!??) , gm, et al, going to try to sell me on spending another $100, and what would that be? (Go ahead, Sell Me! lol) Shaff, what is that maximus you just short circuited and burned up - and, hey, back it up dude, and put down that screwdriver, I'm not kidding!
Also, I think I read about 20 boring pages back, just kidding, Shaff, that you said Nehalem is not going to do that much for gaming, at this time, because the GPUs are the bottleneck. Having said that - it seems pretty clear to me that at least some of you guys are getting really gung ho for quad core - am I right? You and sam both have the Q9550 for $320, and Abuzar recently recommended to me that I save $100 on a 4870 Gpu solution in favor of a 4850 and use the savings to get the Q6600 for $180, and he was looking at my small, prior, under $700 budget, but then looking at sam's build for bazza, I see Sam recommended an 8400 core 2 duo for around that price - and that's the same budget I had before. So who is right, sam or boozer? Let's have it out! Lol But put down the bottle first, boozer, I mean creaky, no .. er.. yeah I meant boozer.
Hey, reading forward, boozer is already winning the fight with his Q6600 recommendation:Originally posted by sam fessin up to booze:
I had a far bigger improvement going from a 3.2Ghz E4300 to a 3.2Ghz Q6600 than I did from a 3.2Ghz Q6600 to a 3.8Ghz Q9550, so I suspect you may be right.
So look, boozer is becoming a quad fanboy, and sam is too, and also shaff. I am ONLY interested in how the new build runs Games - like our buddy bazza - but my budget is now up to maybe 2 grand, U.S. And I want to future proof myself for at least a year or so until GPUs catch up to nehalem.
I HAD been thinking of going core 2 duo, remembering last year's pursuasive anandtech article that said that for gaming get fast core 2 duo instead of slow quad - BUT .... that was last year's advice .... at the new faster speeds of the quads, and with the idea that it seems like the gaming development community is catching on to quads - correct me if I'm wrong - should I invest in a good quad that I can overclock, particularly if the 5870x2 next year turns out to free up the GPU Crysis bottleneck?
If so, what quad does anybody like, for, let's say, around maybe $175-$300. (Or should I bump that up another $100, $200?? Sell me, sell me! :D ) The Q9550 favorite of shaff and sam is $320 - that one? Thanks much mates.
-Rich
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lol Me beginning to be a Quad core fanboy?
I was pretty much the first one on here saying, BUY QUAD CORES! It's the way of the future. Everyone said I was crazy and told me that a faster Dual Core kicked ass. But I stuck to my plans and got myself a Q6600 as soon as I could afford one. Now they see.
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15. November 2008 @ 20:25 |
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yeah, but were you right?
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15. November 2008 @ 20:27 |
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I think I was. I paid way more for my Q6600 than it is available for now. But it does provide way better performance, more than double if you have an optimized program.
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15. November 2008 @ 20:29 |
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Ok, but look, "if you have an optimized program" - what does that mean? Will it help me kick ass with Crysis, just answer me that!! Lol
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15. November 2008 @ 20:35 |
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A program that properly supports a Quad Core CPU. Clock for Clock a Q6600 is faster than a 65nm C2D. When you use a program that makes full use of all four cores than it gives you more than double the performance of a 65nm C2D at the same clock speed.
Crysis does get a boost from Quad Cores, but it's not nearly as dramatic. Although a Quad core is pretty much required if you have a high-end system running crysis because a dual core will bottleneck it.
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15. November 2008 @ 21:07 |
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single card, dual core, more than dingle a quad is needed. SIMPLE.
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15. November 2008 @ 22:20 |
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harvrdguy,
Yeah, I think those college days were fun. Too many Hangovers and not enough sleep though. When I was younger I would put the clock on an aluminum ashtray, place that in a porcelain Dishpan, and put that inside a Porcelain Baby bathtub. It was like trying to wake the dead to get me up! LOL!! Made a hell of a racket when the alarm went off though! ROFL!!
Seriously though If a guy wants to build an AMD and asks for an opinion on an AMD processor, then answer his question! Don't tell him to buy an Intel! It's one thing if the guy is a newbie or says he doesn't know anything, but to suggest to other regulars who have shown interest in AMD in the past is downright disrespectful! I know that it's not an intentional thing on anybody's part, but more over exuberance. We need to be a little more encouraging as if AMD goes, so do those cheap CPU prices! That's another part to it as well. A guy tells us he's only got $100 to spend so of course someone has to post something for $130 because it's better! DUH!!! It costs $130 because it is better. Problem is, the guy still only has $100! We didn't help him one bit except maybe in frustration level because all he has is $100! Give the advice if you know the answer or don't comment on the post at all! Please! Try to stay within whatever the budget the person has. Lots of folks these days don't have the means to get that other $30. I know here in So Cal, the Recession has hit us like a brick! My buddy's paycheck for the first half of this month was $135! My job has slowed down to almost nothing and it's my computer work that's feeding us at the moment! Right now $30 is a lot of carefully selected groceries! Please try to keep that in mind.
Thanks!
That being said, since the advent of the AMD 780G chipset with the HD 3200 graphics, AMD just increased their CPUs performance a minimum of 15% across the board with any compatible AM2 CPU! Just add a low cost 780G motherboard to your present CPU, and presto, you've just gained 15% better performance! And with the HD 3200 on-board Graphics, you've stepped into a whole new world of high Quality video! The difference between it's graphics and the graphics from my 7600GT, both with HD video is breathtaking! Color Rendering, depth, detail and Texture are superb! I can see things I wasn't aware was even there before! 109 Million Transistors, Clock speed of 425MHz and 40 stream processors on a 55nm Graphics Chip (the worlds first), that have their own adjustments so you can OC the motherboard and adjust the video to the CPU speed! and finally, Hyper Transport 3 actually does something. Voltage adjustments for the CPU, memory, NB and Hyper Transport. The NB is also configurable in the setup as well! the MB is also capable of Hybrid CrossFire which means if you stick an HD 4850 in it, set it to hybrid CrossFire in the setup and the on-board is still utilized, so nothings wasted and it's all managed by the chipset! Wonderful stuff!
I've come across a couple Great motherboards in my time. Some became Legends, but I've never seen one that gave such a performance boost to the same CPU! Look at it this way too, the purchase of Ati is paying off! This is their work. Still, it's the best shot in the arm that AMD has had in quite a while. And do you think for one minute that all this technology doesn't have Core i7 in mind either? As fast as I can scrape up the $65 for another Biostar A780G M2+SE, old Oximoron is getting another shot of Steroids! LOL!!
Best Regards,
Russ
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15. November 2008 @ 23:03 |
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Very nice you're keeping AMD afloat single-handedly Russ, but in all honesty, he asked if the CPU was any good, and sure, it's fine, but nowhere does it say his budget is Limited to 100 dollars, and if a job's worth doing, it's worth doing well... :)
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
............Seriously though If a guy wants to build an AMD and asks for an opinion on an AMD processor, then answer his question! Don't tell him to buy an Intel! It's one thing if the guy is a newbie or says he doesn't know anything, but to suggest to other regulars who have shown interest in AMD in the past is downright disrespectful! I know that it's not an intentional thing on anybody's part, but more over exuberance. We need to be a little more encouraging as if AMD goes, so do those cheap CPU prices! That's another part to it as well. A guy tells us he's only got $100 to spend so of course someone has to post something for $130 because it's better! DUH!!! It costs $130 because it is better. Problem is, the guy still only has $100! We didn't help him one bit except maybe in frustration level because all he has is $100!............ Give the advice if you know the answer or don't comment on the post at all! Please! Try to stay within whatever the budget the person has. Lots of folks these days don't have the means to get that other $30. I know here in So Cal, the Recession has hit us like a brick! My buddy's paycheck for the first half of this month was $135! My job has slowed down to almost nothing and it's my computer work that's feeding us at the moment! Right now $30 is a lot of carefully selected groceries! Please try to keep that in mind.
Thanks!
ORIGINAL POST in question:
Originally posted by rick:
Is this a decent CPU
AMD Phenom 8450 Toliman 2.1GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 95W Triple-Core Processor $99.99 Free Shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103254
I'm wanting to build a Comp 4 my Grand Daughter, 4 Xmas. I don't want to spend a fortune. But at the same time I want something reliable. Also so she can do some Video Conversions at a decent speed, along with other tasks
I think that Sammy answered the question and gave his opinion on the AMD processor and then recommended an alternative cheap solution in Intel. His response follows.
Originally posted by Sammy:
I'll be honest, for the price that's not a bad CPU for video encoding. A Core 2 Duo will still best it even at video encoding though, especially if you overclock it a bit. On any old cheapo motherboard with basic RAM you can get one of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072
To 3Ghz and beyond on the stock cooler, and at that clock speed it will best the Phenom, despite having one less core.
I don't think that AMD has caught up with Intel yet and it seems that Intel offers a cheap solution to most of the AMD choices. I like AMD and will always look at them for builds and opportunities but Intel is still the leader. :)
What I've marked in RED everyone should read. OP, me, and all that read this thread!!!
I won't comment on the "recession" as it will just fuel the fire for BS...
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Russ, rick never sad he was ONLY looking to spend $100, and he said he wanted to build a PC for his granddaughter. He never said he wanted to ONLY build AMD, he said a PC.
You know something; I understand now why you used to get fed up of hearing about ASUS motherboards, because thanks to you the 780G board loving is getting tiring as well. For the money Intel can?t be beaten right now. Every few posts you go on about it. Trust me we understand, you?re a fanboy okay.
I cannot believe you said Sam disrespected Rick when Sam has earned on this forum to voice his opinion, and he is an expert on speccing someone something for a price. In fact, with that line I believe you are heavily disrespecting Sam. He is the one with the tens of thousands of posts helping people in the PC threads, looking for new ones every day, helping every newb and noob alike. I know personally I have a short fuse, I wouldn?t be able to do what Sam does, I do my own things on more specialist forums with more learned people, where as Sam, on aD where there are A LOT of first time builders and children, helps to an extent would have push most people over the edge. Each of his builds is much thought out, and he doesn?t let bias hold him when he is helping, even though I and he may argue between us on msn :D! If there is one person who has a right to post any spec he thinks is worth it, is Sam. Yes we have heard about your job and the billions of builds you do for your customers, but Sam lives in the now, not speccing to build things which will just suffice in work, where you are a specialist, but he specs so many different types, with loads of different budgets.
He was just helping rich spend his money the best. If someone was going to buy a $300 nvidia GPU, even if they say they only want nvidia, but ATI for $300 easily out classes it, then they should know about it. it?s not about disrespecting the person, so don?t give them the ATI option, it?s about maximising his choices with the best for the money, and if Sam thinks it is the best for the buck, them IMO I?m right behind him, because he has earned the respect of thousands of aD users giving them the best bang for buck.
Most of the newbs, they do not visit the PC building or OCing stickies, as I?m sure as I asked my brother, who is 13, which is around the age of the newer builders, he said it?s just too much, a person would feel out of place trying to join into the convos, which was exactly how I felt at first 2 years ago, so they make their own threads, and you go see how much Sam, and for the last year boozer as well have been helping. He is a king for the community, so please do not go trying to make him feel bad or putting him down, when he did nothing wrong.
Had I done this and you said it to me I would have ignored it, as I really cannot be bothered, but Sam is very respected, and on the PC forums everyone knows if Sam's in your thread your privileged, but they won?t know who Russ is, as Russ doesn?t help this part of the community. Neither do I, I admit, but I?m not biting the head of the one who does help. Mods can see for themselves that what Sam does really speaks for itself, and didn?t need me, but it had to be said, and if I was out of line I accept any punishments coming my way.
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Originally posted by greensman:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
............Seriously though If a guy wants to build an AMD and asks for an opinion on an AMD processor, then answer his question! Don't tell him to buy an Intel! It's one thing if the guy is a newbie or says he doesn't know anything, but to suggest to other regulars who have shown interest in AMD in the past is downright disrespectful! I know that it's not an intentional thing on anybody's part, but more over exuberance. We need to be a little more encouraging as if AMD goes, so do those cheap CPU prices! That's another part to it as well. A guy tells us he's only got $100 to spend so of course someone has to post something for $130 because it's better! DUH!!! It costs $130 because it is better. Problem is, the guy still only has $100! We didn't help him one bit except maybe in frustration level because all he has is $100!............ Give the advice if you know the answer or don't comment on the post at all! Please! Try to stay within whatever the budget the person has. Lots of folks these days don't have the means to get that other $30. I know here in So Cal, the Recession has hit us like a brick! My buddy's paycheck for the first half of this month was $135! My job has slowed down to almost nothing and it's my computer work that's feeding us at the moment! Right now $30 is a lot of carefully selected groceries! Please try to keep that in mind.
Thanks!
ORIGINAL POST in question:
Originally posted by rick:
Is this a decent CPU
AMD Phenom 8450 Toliman 2.1GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 95W Triple-Core Processor $99.99 Free Shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103254
I'm wanting to build a Comp 4 my Grand Daughter, 4 Xmas. I don't want to spend a fortune. But at the same time I want something reliable. Also so she can do some Video Conversions at a decent speed, along with other tasks
I think that Sammy answered the question and gave his opinion on the AMD processor and then recommended an alternative cheap solution in Intel. His response follows.
Originally posted by Sammy:
I'll be honest, for the price that's not a bad CPU for video encoding. A Core 2 Duo will still best it even at video encoding though, especially if you overclock it a bit. On any old cheapo motherboard with basic RAM you can get one of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072
To 3Ghz and beyond on the stock cooler, and at that clock speed it will best the Phenom, despite having one less core.
I don't think that AMD has caught up with Intel yet and it seems that Intel offers a cheap solution to most of the AMD choices. I like AMD and will always look at them for builds and opportunities but Intel is still the leader. :)
What I've marked in RED everyone should read. OP, me, and all that read this thread!!!
I won't comment on the "recession" as it will just fuel the fire for BS...
....gm
I wasn't pointing out anybody in particular, and I said that. I was just using an example from a while ago! Sam's was not the only answer to Rick's question either!
As far as the AMD thing goes, I would like one a little faster than the one I just built. A low power AMD Athlon X2 5400B 2.8GHz Socket AM2 65W for $84 would do nicely on that BioStar MB. I think I might like that even better than my E6750! And it will certainly be easier to cool! The 4400+ 65w I built had a single case fan, a 120 I took out of one of those failed Coolmax PSUs that I didn't have to send back to newegg. with the stock AMD cooler it only ran 35-36C in a 30C/87F very warm room. It's the same with OxiMoron 36 was it. It takes 6 fans to cool mine that well even at stock speeds. There's a very small difference in temps from stock 2.66, and 3.55GHz. Maybe 2 degrees! Put a Freezer 64 on that puppy and a rear exhaust fan and it should cool very well. Add an Enzotec NB cooler, and it should be great at staying cool, and maybe overclock it a bit. Remember I'm already getting a performance boost of 15% or more, just with the 780G MB! It should perform very well with my 1066 Dominators. The 4400+ only had DDR2 800 memory, so it will be even speedier. Costs me $150 to find out!
Here's a pretty good article on the 780G chipset. Good reading!
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3258
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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16. November 2008 @ 03:13 |
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Shaff, that was very eloquent! At first I was a little concerned, it sounded somewhat strong in tone, but the "tribute" to Sam was well delivered and unquestionably highly deserved. Don't be so humble about your own good deeds, since that brilliant $400 build you did for me on the graphics thread helped me to finally put the nail in the coffin of my p4 foolishness, I now need some help from you to finalize the new build - but don't recommend water - I'm not there yet.
You finished off talking about being willing to accept any punishment due you - please, for heavens sake, creaky, loco, none is merited, but at the same time, shaff, let's be careful not to be too strong in our tone. Agreed?
Like our worldwide friend and Russ' and my new President, Obama, I want to try to always see things from the other side. And like Russ, I'm also down here in SoCal where the economy is a bi**ch - we all go down to the Salvation Army soup kitchen near the train station in San Juan Capistrano every night - that's how we're making it Lol. (Russ make sure you clip the coupons and shop at Stater Brothers the discount supermarket. I found out about them in that big strike we had two years ago and they are cheaper. For example every two months the price of london broil drops to the price of dog food, $1.97 a pound, and so I stock up the freezer a couple of months worth lol)
I digress. So what IS Russ' point of view on this? Is he still getting up every morning with the noisy alarm clock in an aluminum ashtray in a porcelain tub, with a few pieces of dynamite thrown in? LOL. That would make me cranky too - just kidding Russ.
What motivated the little lecture? I have to agree, first and foremost, 100%, with your point, Shaff, that Sam is a wonderful resource. I check with him on most stuff, and the breadth and depth of his knowledge is staggering! For sure he gives greatly to the community. My noobness can attest to that! Not enough words of appreciation can be spoken along those lines.
In fact, along those lines, at this time, as a noob, I honestly would like to express my appreciation to all of you dudes, even you shaff :P No seriously, your willingness, all of you, shaff, sam, rob, creaky, gm, rick, boozer, russ, cincy - oh that's rob - everybody - it's a damn nice thing that you do donating your brains and ideas to move us all along forward on the path toward technical enlightenment.
That gets me back to where, maybe, I think Russ was coming from. Greeny broke down the dialog and analyzed it very well - I think there perhaps was some misunderstanding. I don't believe for a second that Russ was intending in the slightest way to be disrespectful to sam, even though he did trash silentpcreview and ran his own benchmark, goddammit! :)
What I think is that, putting myself in Russ' shoes - correct me if I'm messing this all up Russ - I think that Russ is not simply just a fanboy of AMD but also, from the way he describes it - they really have come up with some kind of wild fantastic little board there - a board that does some things Intel boards just don't do.
Now for me, on a personal level, that little board wouldn't be something I'm interested in shaff, because the only thing that counts for me is that when you come around the Cod4 corner in Downpour with your shottie, I want to know that my p90 will spray you with 50 rounds before you even think about reaching for the trigger, lol, but for a lot of the people that Russ is building for - it sounds to me like THAT particular little motherboard can do backflips - and I haven't exactly heard the same features he described in regard to intel boards.
For example: The last thing he said. The on-board graphic chip is able to pair up with an actual video board! WTF! When did THAT get invented? For intel, correct me I'm wrong ya'll - that's virtual HERESY! I'm wayyy more than impressed! :O
So what I'm saying Shaffaaf, is that, if Russ is seeing genius on a small scale, subtle benefits accruing to AMD's partnership with ATI - ATI being the graphics solution that I have to admit I am a big fanboy of, sam too - if that is what is going on, and so Russ wants to shout it out big time, I can see that there might be a little bit of frustration when it appears that everybody automatically says: "Well if you're thinking AMD, how about this Intel solution over here."
You know, he's got a point. After a while that would begin to p*ss me off too! But on the other hand, of course, everybody should know all the options, as you eloquently stated.
It's funny - I raised sort of the same issue to Sam when I saw the video on spider - all the controls you have that allow you to overclock the phenom. It looked pretty impressive, but sam told me that the price/performance ratio still favors Intel for now. Well, that's okay. AMD surged ahead with 64 bits, when Intel stumbled on overheating P4s, and had to get their Israeli colleagues to rethink the whole bit about having a logical path about an inch wide and a mile long to increase the branch hits and boost the clock rate. So now, AMD has to get the phenom jazzed up a little - their ATI brothers ought to be able to help with that.
I, for one, wouldn't mind picking up a complete AMD/ATI solution if the synergy was really there and the performance was at least close to being as good if not better, like it hopefully WILL be. For a while there, nvidia was dominant - the balance of power ebbs and flows. Now speaking of Obama, the dems are back - oh sorry creaky, no politics. YES SIR!
At the end of the day - company's lives ARE at stake, as Russ pointed out, and we certainly don't want a world without ATI/AMD, totally dominated by our Crytek-bribing shadow-mucking shader-faking green rivals, do we Sam? Oh that was HARSH - just kidding Nvidia! Not really. LOL
So that was a spirited discussion for sure! Let's just all continue to be as respectful as we would want anybody to be with us, and if we think somebody is being slighted unfairly, let's be very careful about our tone, righto? An onboard graphic chip that can pair up with a video card - unf**ing believable!! (I can't get banned for words that have asteriks them - f**k no, right?) LOL Gm doesn't think it's appropriate for me to c**ss like that, asteriks or no asteriks. Well that's okay, you probably didn't save me any damn birthday cake, did you? :D Just having fun mates. Thanks again.
-Rich
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16. November 2008 @ 08:50 |
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The HD3200 onboard is very good, no question. However, when compared to a genuinely fast radeon card (and an HD4670 can be had for 80 dollars), it's nothing, and hybrid crossfire, nice idea as it is, will offer you negligible gains simply because the real card is ten, maybe even up to twenty times as fast.
Additionally, AMD CPUs seem to conflict with HD4000 series cards. Bit of an oversight on AMD's part that, and unfortunate, but if you're really going for a gaming system, you'll want an Intel processor. It's not fanboyism, it's just the truth. Witnessing how much of a difference having a decent processor makes, the not insignificant differences between the X2 and Core 2 really do show up.
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16. November 2008 @ 16:18 |
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Originally posted by sam:
hybrid crossfire, nice idea as it is, will offer you negligible gains simply because the real card is ten, maybe even up to twenty times as fast.
Fanboy!!
Just kidding. Well, maybe at least they're moving in the right direction. I guess the idea is that, if you get the 780 board, for many families you will be set - you can do your video encoding, play a few minor games, boost it up a bit with a 3000 series card, and you're screwed if you want a 4000 card. Hahahaha.
The anandtech article is totally fascinating, and those guys were impressed with the little card - even excited by it which they admitted was the first time they have gotten excited about on-board graphics in a long time. Originally posted by Anandtech - see Russ' link up above:
Overall, the combination of the 780G and SB700 brings AMD to the forefront in features and performance in the IGP market.
Well - let's hope AMD keeps moving in that direction and begins to develop some serious competition.
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sytyguy
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16. November 2008 @ 19:00 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by sytyguy:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
I like the new Seagate 7200.11 360GB drives. For the Folks that like large capacity drives, they have a 1.5TB model at Newegg for $149.99.
I just purchased that drive for $146.98 at TigerDirect delivered.
Just for the record, how noisy is it?
I'm ripping a DVD currently, and all I can hear is the sound of a fan, and a little sound from the DVD reader. When I first installed it XP did some constant access attempting to figure out what kind of HDD it was, which produced some noice, but otherwise very quiet.
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16. November 2008 @ 19:06 |
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first of the year build... not even thinking of I7 im hopeing these prices come down even more..yes i still want the E8600 EO stepping
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16. November 2008 @ 19:17 |
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I didn't realise there was anything but E0 for the E8600...
Rich: It being the best IGP is right, but yet, it's still very slow indeed.
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