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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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rick5446
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17. November 2008 @ 01:19 |
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I was just pointing out the HORRIFIC Prices
Not interested in anything that expensive. Those are Millionaires Prices
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17. November 2008 @ 01:22 |
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Ah right, sorry, missed the sarcasm ;-)
But yeah, i7 is wayyyy overpriced. A stock Q9550 performs as well as the 940 does in most games, and will overclock better than an i7 to boot.
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17. November 2008 @ 03:17 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Let's face it, AMD aren't once the little shed that could, they're a huge corporation now, and buying 'to save them' makes no sense. You buy what's best, and that's that.
Yes they are! They are a huge corporation teetering on the verge of bankruptcy! Stock that sold for $40 a share in Jan. 06 now fluctuates in the lower $2 range. This past Thursday it hit a high of $2.70 a share. Today it's at $2.40. Huge Corporation, Yes! But one that can go either way, survive or disappear!
BTW, You have that wrong! You don't buy what's best, you buy the best you can afford for the money you have to spend at the time. Sometimes as it happens, that answer for some of us is not always Intel. I have minimal experience with 64x2s on a 780G motherboard, but it's more experience than you have with that combination. My use of the 4400+ machine for three solid days impressed me enough to consider building one, and I do own a fast C2D. The 4400+ well exceeded my expectations! It's quick and runs cool enough without needing enough fans to hover, or a CPU cooler the size of Rhode Island. I plan to put that $65 MB in the 4800+. Just for the extra speed and the video I'll get with it. If I'm happy with it, then I'll eventually build another more powerful AMD, just to be different. I already have a case and PSU, so all I need is the MB, memory, CPU and CPU Cooler. That will run me less than $250 for a 3.0GHz 89w 64x2 2x1MB L2 cache 6000+. a Biostar A780G M2+SE MB, 4GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2 1066 cas 5 memory and a Freezer 64!
$238.97, with tax and shipping right at $266. The $30 MIR from Corsair for the memory drops the final cost to $236! Once i7 comes out for 775, the price will go down even more. I'd like to see how well the 6000+ does with a 15% performance boost! 15% at stock speed and more if OC'd! If I just do an upgrade on Oxi, It will only cost me $176.62 delivered with the 6000+. I have everything else, even a Freezer 64! I like the sound of that! Should be more than fast enough for Russell! The new 3.1GHz 6000+ with the 2MB L2 cache is even less,. not to bad at all! so I can even lower that to $173.39 w/T&S! for a 3.1gHz Stock machine. Should be fun!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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17. November 2008 @ 03:33 |
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GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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rick5446
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17. November 2008 @ 09:04 |
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17. November 2008 @ 09:49 |
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rick the PSU looks good to me. The last few reviews were complaining about rebates and such. It seems the PSU is a good little deal if you ask me. ;)
Looking at both of those cpus I'm not sure what to think. The 6000 has a higher power consumption but it also has 2MB L2 cache while the 5050 has 1MB L2 cache. Just based on that I would go with the 6000 as I don't really care about power consumption on this level. Of course you have to make sure your intended PSU can handle the job and that one should with no issues. ;)
btw is this going into the little rig for your grandchild? If so this will be a fun little rig and have plenty of power.
You gonna get the 780G mobo that Russ was talking about? I think that I was one of the first people to get one. They're dang good for he money and very capable for the use you intend. :D
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17. November 2008 @ 10:38 |
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Well, congrats, your build is cheaper than the one I listed, but it's got half as many parts. I've listed an entire system for less than $300, not just the parts you need for your upgrade. To say that AMD are cheaper just because you don't need to buy all the other stuff doesn't make any sense.
Using the E5200 and 4GB again instead of the cheaper CPU I added, the total cost is still only $339. Adding a hard disk, DVD drive, case and Power supply to your little list the minimum it's going to end up at is around $380,$390. Sixty dollars more for a pretty insignificant processor upgrade, and the stuff I've chosen, even on a $339 budget, from what I've read can still overclock, so it still has the potential to even best the AMD system that costs 60 bucks more.
As you corrected me, you buy the best you can afford within your budget. Looking at these facts, that's still intel, by a considerable margin.
Rick: The Thermal power is the approximate amount of power that a CPU uses, it's very vague, but it gives you a general idea. The 6000+ uses a full double what the energy-efficient ones do. That again is something to consider - the AMD build will cost you up to $40 a year extra in electricity.
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17. November 2008 @ 14:03 |
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spamual
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17. November 2008 @ 14:23 |
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17. November 2008 @ 14:47 |
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navskin you can try a fan controller like the Sunbeam Rheobus and use that to turn fans off, up, down and so on. ;) I have the RHK-BA and it works ok... just remember that baby is BRIGHT!!! ;)
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17. November 2008 @ 15:04 |
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That case has no front door to cover up the LEDs so you might want to remove them, they are absurdly bright, but the Rheobus is a very nice fan controller apart from that.
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17. November 2008 @ 20:24 |
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GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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17. November 2008 @ 20:32 |
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First reviewer mentions something interesting about the 6000+, in that cheaper boards don't actually have the means to power it properly...
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17. November 2008 @ 21:02 |
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sammorris,
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Well, congrats, your build is cheaper than the one I listed, but it's got half as many parts. I've listed an entire system for less than $300, not just the parts you need for your upgrade. To say that AMD are cheaper just because you don't need to buy all the other stuff doesn't make any sense.
I never said or implied that. I said that for me, all I need is the MB for Oxi so my cost to upgrade it is only $65! I would need a MB, CPU and memory for a new build. I have everything else! Pretty much any Intel I go with I would have to buy a new video card for.
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i see $207 inc the rebates:
Yes, but there's sales tax and shipping also. they for some reason print that part. The sales tax is also on the total price before rebates. I keep saying that this is to be a stock machine. I don't plan to overclock it, so why do you and Sam keep giving me parts that have to be overclocked to be faster than the AMD I was considering. That's the whole point, I don't want to overclock it. I'm very happy with the way the 4400+ ran, and I used it constantly for 3 days. I never had a time where I wished I was using my computer instead. Not even encoding! The AMD 5050e 2.5GHz would be plenty fast enough for me in that BioStar MB. I'm not a gamer, so why overclock. I've been saying for a long time that I wanted to build a nice AMD machine, and to me, this is it!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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17. November 2008 @ 21:06 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
First reviewer mentions something interesting about the 6000+, in that cheaper boards don't actually have the means to power it properly...
Not the 780G biostar! The A780G M2+SE is designed for 95w CPUs. Biostar recommends using a 95w CPU for it
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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17. November 2008 @ 21:06 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
I said that for me, all I need is the MB for Oxi so my cost to upgrade it is only $65! I would need a MB, CPU and memory for a new build. I have everything else! Pretty much any Intel I go with I would have to buy a new video card for.
We are being repromanded for solely recommending Intel systems over AMDs due to the cost increase of doing so, apparently. We have both just proven that's nonsense.
Originally posted by theonejrs:
spamual,
I don't plan to overclock it, so why do you and Sam keep giving me parts that have to be overclocked to be faster than the AMD I was considering.
Again, this isn't personal, it's for general builds, why do we offer overclockable parts? Because we can. It is less than a dozen keypresses to overclock an Intel with rock solid stability. In any case, Unless you buy a 6000+, the stock Intels can keep pace with the AMDs anyway, let alone when you can squeeze so much out of them from an OC.
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rick5446
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17. November 2008 @ 21:18 |
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17. November 2008 @ 21:32 |
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i agree with russ, if a person wants to overclock then that person will ask for that info. we are here to help others & give options but it is the 1 that wants the help who has to decide what to do not us. me, i don't go for the overclocking as i think it is a waste of a cpu but that is my opinion. i help customers get new pc's that are mostly intels but the odd amd at about $300Can as it gives them a starter machine to work with. i remember when the commodore 64 computers were the big thing & expensive but six months later were in peoples' closets from lack of use.
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17. November 2008 @ 21:34 |
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Oh agreed, I'm certainly not forcing people to overclock, and it's their choice, but if they consent, the more tech-literate should at least be aware of what extra they can get for their money ;-)
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17. November 2008 @ 21:49 |
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but they have to ask & be aware of the consequences if the oc goes horribly wrong whether now or later on in the future.
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spamual
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17. November 2008 @ 22:01 |
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the thing was russ you never said it was a personal build, you keep changing what your saying everytime we prove you wrong.....
overclocking to 3ghz from an e5200 or an e2180 is so simple. why spend more when there is nothing a 3ghz c2d cant do, and much better than any x2.
and if you leave the cooler and get an e5200 itll be faster than most if not all X2s.
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17. November 2008 @ 22:04 |
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spamual, what thread is this?
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17. November 2008 @ 22:08 |
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Despite that, I do echo ddp's comment. not everybody should overclock. I tend to mention it in passing ("can be overclocked if you're into that sort of thing") and those who sound intelligent and interested then get instructed. Fact is, the Intels aren't really any slower than the AMDs even at stock, so there's nothing lost there. By getting people to buy Intels I'm actually curbing power usage too - over a lot of builds that adds up. Whatever you think of AMD, I care more about the environment than I do then. I've spec'ed a lot of builds over the years, by my estimates I'd reckon perhaps a couple of hundred. Wasted power adds up over that many systems. Granted my system is a Planet-melter in a box, but I actually make use of how much power it uses, the average user who wants a budget basic box doesn't. Heck, every time someone buys a Seagate HDD over a WD GreenPower they waste energy.
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17. November 2008 @ 22:20 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
spamual, what thread is this?
ddp, read the title :D
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17. November 2008 @ 22:24 |
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