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Insert Verbatim? For those not paying attention, you could end up with the same nice CMC that Memorex is selling. Verbatim has been selling CMC media as some of their lower cost offerings. As I mentioned earlier, Ricoh (RICOHJPN) makes +R/RW media. They've produced it for Verbatim and Ritek. Until recently, the Ritek-RiData, the +R from Ritek, was a Ricoh product. Recently Ritek started producing +R media with a Ritek code. So, don't worry about the Ricoh. You may have used some and didn't even know it. It was characterized by a deep purple dye. It's good stuff. It's well thought of on the forums and from personal experience I can recommend it. I haven't used any in a few months though, I've found buys elsewhere. As I mentioned it can be bought now under the Ricoh name in the US. Before it was available in the generic elsewhere, but in the US it was only available under other brand names like Verbatim, Maxell, Imation, Fuji, Sony, Philips, RiData, Memorex and some others. The Ricoh (the brand) sales I've seen in the US have been online.
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8. December 2005 @ 14:50 |
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brobear-I hear you I merely mentioned verrbatim as that it is highly regarded here & have had good experience with verbatims that were made by verbatim/Mitsubishi ! I think I bought some TDK'S 4x DVD+R that were Ricohjpn coded though have'nt got to them yet !But you are so right in posting earlier that obe should be more concerned with the Actual Mfr. of the media as opposed to whoever is slapping their name on it this week ! Thank you DVD Decrypter & Dvd Identifier! Is it just me or does it seem that in the DVD media coming out of taiwan excluding CMC ! that the Media that are manufacterd by a Media company that actaully makes their own media Such as Some verbatim, Ritek , & Ricoh are Actaully good media Where as media made for the generic market or OEM'ed for other companies with few exceptions Ritek , & Ricoh ...ect. are Crap like CMC ! I could be wrong But then if I knew everything it would take all of the mystery out of life & where 's the fun in that !brobear In closing My friend thanks for the inforamtion & help Happy Burning & happy Holidays !
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8. December 2005 @ 14:51 |
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pS #1 Happy Holidays & Happy Burning EverybodY!
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8. December 2005 @ 15:58 |
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There for a while, I thought everyone in Taiwan was making recordable discs in the back room. Just kidding. Quote:
Is it just me or does it seem that in the DVD media coming out of taiwan excluding CMC ! that the Media that are manufacterd by a Media company that actaully makes their own media Such as Some verbatim, Ritek , & Ricoh are Actaully good media Where as media made for the generic market or OEM'ed for other companies with few exceptions Ritek , & Ricoh ...ect. are Crap like CMC !
I'd say wrong.
The Tiawanese made media with the generic brand of "name brands" is often good quality. The problem is there are a lot of no name media and companies some of us have never heard of exporting media from Taiwan. If you consider CMC crap, as many do, then the company supplies a lot of crap to many major brands. Check the database link I supplied. Sony, Maxell, Fuji, JVC, and Philips are a few of the other brands that manufacture their own as well as selling media by other manufacturers. Add Ricoh and Ritek and you're looking at a huge share of the market. With a bunch of those though, I've ended up with Ricoh instead of the house brand. LOL Sony is one I will use either the generic or the TYs without worry. Maxell and Philips are a couple of others I've had good experience with in the generic. Funny, the Maxells and Fuji were mostly the Ricoh and with Fuji, the others were TY as well. The Fuji-Fuji has been an elusive critter on the markets I've frequented. LOL
To make sure we're on the same train of thought, when talking about generic media, that's the company manufactured media sold under the company name, such as Ricoh media sold under the Ricoh name, Ritek-Ritek and such. You'll find the same format media with the same speed carrying the same manufacturer codes in various brands they supply. As long as the codes are the same, it's supposed to be the same media. That has been my experience, the quality of media hasn't varied by brand where the same media is concerned.
By the way, looking at the corporate umbrella, Mitsubishi is the house manufacturer for Verbatim, made in Japan. The other suppliers from Taiwan wouldn't be generic. Speaking of Sony, the Japanese Sony, Taiyo Yuden and MCC aren't Sony generic. From Taiwan you have Ritek, Ricoh and Sony (the generic) supplying the Sony brand. The generic Sony goes to brands like BenQ, Sunstar, and Fortis as well as Sony. All the manufactured media wouldn't be graded according to the brand. What you're looking at is different brands with their names slapped on media manufactured on the same assembly lines for their competitors. Which brings up some interesting questions. Why higher prices exacted by one brand over another just for the label? How can a company charge more for a disc than the competitive brand that sells the same disc sold to them. There's blems and overruns, but that doesn't account for a lot of what's happenign in the mass marketing of media. There's a lot of interesting things happening if one stands back and looks at the overall picture. Now I wonder why the brands like to keep the consumer in the dark about the manufacturer of their media? Consumers who ID their media are in the minority. Few know they could go into a store and get the same media in 3 or 4 different brands at different prices? Definitely an interesting market model. LOL
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8. December 2005 @ 16:45 |
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brobear- well then I stand corrected ! thanx Again ! I've never seen fuji made fuji's here either ! To be fair I look for the MIJ's ( taiyo yudens) but bought A 50 pk. spindle of the fuji printables which turned out to be prodisc and upon trying to burn the top disc in the stack encountered errors and switched to another disc foma different maker ! end of problem ! I mainly go fuji Mij's when I can but If I can get a great deal Like the Officedepot Riteks / Maxell Riteks or Ricoh Media then I'll go there too ! The Fuji Inkjet printables only cost me 10.00 so I took a chance on them Maybe just the top disc was bad but I've plenty of other media in the meantime! Thanks again ! Good LucK Happy Burning & Happy Holidays!
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9. December 2005 @ 01:09 |
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LOL, neph, that link is SWEET~! :)
it's been a LONG time since i even heard/read that word...Snuffleupagus LOL
anyways, happy holidays all, boy how things have changed since i was a kid~ :)
docTY!
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
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rick5446
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9. December 2005 @ 07:36 |
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Quick question..in DVDDcrypter..it lists my DVD+RW AS
Book Type:DVD+RW.Does this mean it is burning a book type disc.I'm just not familiar with book type..also does Nero automatically set book type with compatible burner & Disc..or do U have to manually set it,I've never paid particulars to this when burning
TEAC DV-W516GB J4S2 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD+RW
Disc Information:
Status: Complete
Erasable: Yes
Formatted: No (Started)
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 2,295,104
Size: 4,700,372,992 bytes
Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x
Physical Format Information (ADIP):
Disc ID: INFODISC-A01-02
Book Type: DVD+RW
Part Version: 2
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,491,711
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0
Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: INFODISC-A01-02
Book Type: DVD+RW
Part Version: 2
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Pa
rallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,483,023
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0
Current Format Capacity:
Sectors: 2,295,104
Size: 4,700,372,992 bytes
Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF)
Maximum Format Capacity:
Sectors: 2,295,104
Size: 4,700,372,992 bytes
Time: 510:03:29 (MM:SS:FF)
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9. December 2005 @ 11:16 |
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rick,
unfortunately, NO...your disc is STILL being burned normally, the booktype has NOT changed...when it is changed correctly, it will say dvd-rom, not dvd+rw~ :)
also, yes, Nero will change booktype too, but it is NOT automatic, it needs to be changed manually, assuming you have a booktype capable drive...
the discs you are using are not very good in MY OWN opinion, but, that is not the point...your booktype has not been changed properly...
docTY~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
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rick5446
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9. December 2005 @ 12:34 |
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Hello..again kivory666..how do u go about finding out if u have a book type drive..one burner is a plextor PX708A..& The other is a TEAC DV-W516GB J4S2..& I'm a little more impressed with the TEAC
Ya I know they are not the best Discs..but they were a close out at CompUSA about a YR ago spindle of 25 for 10bucks they are OK for weekly TV shows..hell I musta used them 40 or 50 times ea & they still burn..I have found that every so often I have to do a full format after about 10R's
But I've ALSO UPGRADED to RitekW04..WHICH IS A LOT faster burn at 4x
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9. December 2005 @ 15:10 |
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I'm using a NEC ND-3540A Firmware 1.03.
My Dyson 2.4X DL discs are:
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R-DL:RITEK-D01-001]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R DL] - [Not Available]
Manufacturer Name : [Ritek Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [RITEK]
Media Type ID : [D01]
Product Revision : [001]
Blank Disc Capacity : [4,173,824 Sectors = 8.55 GB (7.96 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [2.4x]
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[ DVD Identifier V4.2.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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My other discs are Phillips DVD+R:
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:CMC MAG-E01-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [Not Available]
Manufacturer Name : [CMC Magnetics Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [CMC MAG]
Media Type ID : [E01]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
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I can get the Philips to play with no problem in both my PC and my Panasonic CV-51. The Dysons? I can't get past the MGM logo. The PC and Panny freeze.
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9. December 2005 @ 21:03 |
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First of all, you're describing a problem with 2 different formats of media, a +R that works and a +R DL that doesn't. Normally Ritek is good media. The CMC you say that works isn't a very popular media in these parts, but it did work for you. There's been reports of some players not handling recorded DL media very well. Does your player support playing +R DL? Have you tried playing the recorded DL in a different and preferrably newer player? Have you checked for any firmware updates for your player?
When the DL froze in the PC, were you playing it in a DVD ROM or back through the burner drive? Try playing through the burner drive and see if it hangs. Make sure your burner firmware is up to date (The sites have the 1.03 as the latest, but you can check factory support to make sure). Check your ROM as well. I've had to upgrade both of my drives in the past. Then if it hangs, I might start suspecting the media. If you plan on doing much DL recording, the simple way to check is to pick up a pack of Verbatim DL media to compare. Sort of expensive making coasters with DL media though. Good luck.
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brobear
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9. December 2005 @ 21:35 |
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http://www.videohelp.com/dvdwriters.php? According to that link, both the TEAC and Plextor bitset (or booktype; same function, different name). The process is only handy when dealing with obsolete players that have a problem playing anything other than DVD ROM. (Even my oldest DVD player, a Samsung, plays my +R backups. My newer Philips even plays DVD RWs and CDs.) Bitsetting emulates DVD ROM by placing code on the writable +R media. Note +, it doesn't work with -R media. Some burners have it and some don't. It's no requirement in the industry and I don't use it as a purchasing criteria. In fact the burner I'm using now doesn't have it.
An interesting item in today's economy; it's cheaper to buy a player to play the various formats than to buy a DVD burner that will bitset. Players are cheaper than burners.
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9. December 2005 @ 22:07 |
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Well Thanks..brobear..I was really just a little curious as to something new or old as may be,that i was unaware of
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9. December 2005 @ 22:32 |
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You're welcome. Bitsetting is sort of old news as far as burning goes, but DVD burning is only a few years old. Bitsetting is one of those things that can be handy if you have it, but you don't need to run out and get it. Being as you have the ability with both burners, you've got the bases covered. But as I mentioned, the only time it is handy is if you have an obsolete player that has a problem with anything other than DVD ROM discs and then you're still limited to the +R media. Since your burners can bitset, there's no reason I see not to. Who knows, maybe you or someone will run into that old player. ;)
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10. December 2005 @ 08:35 |
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I have a Lite-On LVW-5045 which is a set top top burner and not real old. I've found that it won't plav DVD+R DL unless it has been bitset to DVD-ROM. The burners I usually use do this automatically with all +R, DL or SL, but I happened to use one that didn't and I found this out. I have heard of players that are sensitive to this sort of thing. I very seldom use DL due to me being too cheap, so this is not a very big problem for me. I've never tried a -R DL so I don't know if this would be a problem with them or not since I don't believe they are bit settable. The SL aren't.
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Thanks for that bit of info Dave. I wasn't sure about bitsetting the +R DL media. Not a lot of people using it and I'd not heard if it was compatible with bitsetting. You're the first on the threads I've visited to mention having done it. I'd suspect the -R DL isn't compatible with bitsetting because, after all, it is -R. There's some players out there that are new, but still touchy on playing media, besides DL. A friend of mine complains about his Onkyo, plays great, but touchy about media. A person just needs to be aware of their equipment and any deficiencies it may have. As for RealGomer, I don't believe his NEC is capable of bitsetting, so trying that option is probably out, unless he has access to a bitsetting burner or wants to buy one. The VideoHelp link I supplied above is a good tool for checking which burners bitset, though it isn't complete. I noticed the Lite-On LVW-5045 isn't listed, though other Lite-On burners are. RealGomer's NEC is listed, but not as a burner with bitsetting capabilities.
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10. December 2005 @ 10:08 |
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HELLO ..brobear..So U need a program called Bitsetting?Is that right!
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10. December 2005 @ 10:22 |
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Actually, many burners automatically bitset +R DL to DVD-ROM. Pioneer, which is famous for not bitsetting, does it automatically with the DVR-109, and I presume with the 110 as well. I put the Buffalo firmware in mine and it does SL automatically also. My Lite-On and LG will bitset, but have to be told to do so. I use primarily -R, but I use +R occaisionally so I have to watch burner I use. I generally use either the Pioneer or the BenQ and save the other two as backups.
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10. December 2005 @ 10:29 |
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If your burner supports bitsetting you can probably download a bitsetting tool from the manufaturer. DVD Info Pro can bit set also and Nero has a bitsetting option. Once you tell the program to bitset just go ahead and burn as normal. DVD Shrink also has a bitset option after you select backup. You only have to check it once and it stays checked.
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Bitsetting (booktyping) is a function of the burner, not software; though software may be used to turn it on.
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10. December 2005 @ 10:38 |
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Don't know about your TEAC drive but your Plextor should booktype if you are using PlexTools, just go in and set it.
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@brobear
just another tip w/ DVD+R DL bitsetting, i've done over 100+ now on both Ritek Ridata and Verbatim branded discs and have found if i DO NOT booktype, they WILL NOT play on my standalones...always get the "unrecognized disc" message~ :)
i have quite a few standalones, from my high end Denon that is VERY picky about media in general to my Panasonic 5 disc changer that will USUALLY play anything you throw at it...but, even the Panny has difficulties with the DVD+R DLs, unless they are booktyped to dvd-rom. :)
so, taking into consideration the vast number of diff. standalone players out there, i would strongly recommend that if you plan on taking a stroll into the DVD+R DL burning world, you DO booktype them, as i have about 2-3 DVD+R DL that wasn't changed to dvd-rom and i can ONLY play them on my pc's burner drive...with those particular few, i'm not quite sure what happened as they just didn't booktype on a few instances that day...maybe a fluke or something, but, i was disappointed in that i will have to make ANOTHER backup copy of those particular discs w/ booktype in order to view them on my tv~
they weren't "coasters", they were flawless, just the small fact that they were NOT booktyped, makes them completely unplayable in MY various standalones...frustrating to say the least.
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Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
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10. December 2005 @ 11:07 |
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I was just curious to know if you have ever tried a -R DL disc. Since they can't be bitset, I presume, I wonder if they will play on a standalone unit? That would make them pretty useless if they won't.
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10. December 2005 @ 11:11 |
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hi dave,
actually, i've NEVER tried a DVD-R DL disc, only because i'm a DVD+R format guy to begin with...also, not ALL my burners support DVD-R DL, so, i'm hesitant to ever use them~ :)
my assumption of them is the same as yours, but, as to compatibility with standalones...since i've never tried them, your guess is as good as mine...
docTy~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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