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7. January 2006 @ 13:26 |
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for +R i'd recommend Verbatim Datalifeplus but i don't use too many +R myself lately though i still have loads around here somewhere. i use shedloads of the 'Verbatim TY' -R now -
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{DV 3309} Verbatim (Taiyo Yuden) 8x DVD-R in Spindle Tubs of 25
Verbatim have entrusted the manufacture of the disc to the world renowned Taiyo Yuden factory.
mid code : TYG02
SVP Price: £6.49 / Euro 9.55 inc VAT.
Equivalent Retail Price Per Disc: 26.0p
- the price is still fairly similar.
For +R i recommend these, i've used a lot of these, they come in tubs of 10, very good price too - Quote:
Verbatim (8x) DVD+R
ADVDInfo: MCC 003
OUT OF STOCK
from £2.49 inc. VAT
And provided your burners' firmware can use these 16x discs, i've used them fine at 4x on my previous burner, a Sony DRU-700A
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Verbatim 'Silver Top' (16x) DVD+R
ADVDInfo: MCC 004!
Spindle tub of 25
Product Code: 3229
IN STOCK
£7.39 inc. VAT
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brobear
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7. January 2006 @ 14:30 |
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Until recently the Ritek-Ridata was the +R offering. It was manufactured by Ricoh. Ricoh manufactured media has delivered nearly 100% reliability for me across the various brands. The coasters could well have been my fault. Recently I've noticed some Ritek coded +R media, that I'm not familiar with.
I've been using mostly Sony lately with good results. Most of that has been the Taiyo Yuden manufactured product. I have gotten some of the Taiwanese Sony and there has been no problems with those. Most of the major brands with "Made in Japan" are a safe bet. Those Verbatim mentioned by Creaky (both MCC and TY) are "Made in Japan". Whether the TY is made with the Verbatim label, Sony, or sold as a generic Taiyo Yuden, it is the product of a trusted manufacturer. Both the Taiyo Yuden and Mitsubishi are regarded as top quality media and is sold under different brands. Also, the generic Ricoh is good as well as brands you know that are selling the media under their brand.
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7. January 2006 @ 17:52 |
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Hey brobear..I'm thinkin that when we find a different brand or generic
We should pass on the Name,Cost & where to buy when we post.What do u think ? It sure can't hurt
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brobear
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7. January 2006 @ 18:44 |
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rick5446
It wouldn't hurt, but we need some kind of analysis of the product. That has been gradually going on, though the original premise is to "Post Your Bad Media Experiences Here". There are so many "no names" that it wouldn't be very useful to just post them here. I've supplied a database link that lists a lot of media, name brands as well as more obscure ones. I'll post it here once again. http://www.mediamatch.de/medien.php People are better served by the databases than just listing media in a thread. Googling and using sites like Bizrate gives price comparisons.
I think we've already gotten away from what Vurbal originally intended for the thread. Things grow and change. Look at the first post on page one of this thread and you'll see what I mean. ;)
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7. January 2006 @ 19:14 |
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@ brobear..Iguess your right,did check out pg 1,they did list good & bad
thanks for the link though..But I've been real leary of buying no names..I'VE kinda stuck with Ty's & Ridata 4 & 8x..I did use Prodisc a good while back..but they changed,went to crap..to bad,they were a good burning Disc at a very low price.
But now I just watch the sales & try to stay about 200 discs in front.Don't always work out though,thats why i app the link,maybe something not listed under a dif label but Ty's or Ridata..Thanks again.U don't have to respond to this,it is a lot off topic
Went to that site..they are a little out dated..they still list ProdiscS03..they have'nt been this for a long time.now,forget exactly what they are now,but they are crap since they changed.Last batch i bought was just when they made the change over,to whatever.I must've had 30 bad discs out of a 100.THAT TURNED ME OFF
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8. January 2006 @ 02:51 |
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You're not off topic when discussing media here, especially when warning us about the bad "stuff". That link was part for illustration, not all the media info is kept up to date. But it gives a picture of how the brands use various manufacturers. Plus there is some updating being done. The database I listed is getting less efficient but I've not found any much better. But for listing a wide variety of brands, it does do that well. That leaves this thread and others like it to pick up the slack on warning about the bad media and where it came from. We don't mind the occasional good report and where to get the "good stuff" at reasonable prices either.
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8. January 2006 @ 06:39 |
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'Brobear' "good stuff" at reasonable prices.Thats what I like to hear
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8. January 2006 @ 06:41 |
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'Brobear' "good stuff" at reasonable prices.Thats what I like to hear
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8. January 2006 @ 14:36 |
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just a few words, teon sucks, got a 20 pack from tiger direct and anotherpack from walmart out of 40 dvds i rip 5 movies
mmfcl
Justin
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8. January 2006 @ 16:07 |
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Tevion or Teon? I believe the Tevion is (or was) manufactured by Princo. We've already seen complaints on that manufacturer. Run a check on it with the free DVD Identifier and let us know who made the media. It always helps to know the code and who made it as well as who is selling the media.
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11. January 2006 @ 11:40 |
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LinkYo is the WORST media ever. In the 6 years I've been burning I've had less than 30 coasters. LinkYo broke a three year record of ZERO coasters :(
Media: LinkYo spindle of 50 8x DVD-R (2)
Merchant: SuperMediaStore.com
Media Code: CMC MAG. AE1
Burner: Plextor 716A
Burner: BenQ 1640
Complete Media Code
00000000 00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 55 0D 0E .l...@....R..U..
00000010 88 9A 80 00 03 43 4D 43 20 4D 41 00 04 47 2E 20 .....CMC MA..G.
00000020 41 45 31 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00 06 09 0D 11 AE1.............
Can only reliably burn at 4x. RIPOFF. If they had been marked as 4x fine ONLY if they had a 4x pricetag to match.
@6x: PIE in the billions
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11. January 2006 @ 12:15 |
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That CMC has been pegged as questionable to bad around the forums. Not many have a good word for it. So it boils down to the manufacturer as well as the selling brand. A rule of thumb for questionable media is to burn lower than the rated speed. So 4X or less is about right for 8X CMC.
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11. January 2006 @ 19:05 |
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Who actually manufactures these Disc
I've got a friend & he swear by the Staples brand they have a media code CMC MAG E01.He just bought another 100discs for 40bucks
I tried to tell him he could get better on the web for the same & sometimes even better price..But he's one bullheaded SOB
I think this is what ProDisc changed to luckly I only bought a 100,when I found out they changed..& lucky again at least I could salvage most by just burning movies just at or under 4gig..Just had to watch for the right Vid
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11. January 2006 @ 19:37 |
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I've got a friend & he swear by the Staples brand they have a media code CMC MAG E01
well, with that coding, the manufacturer is obviously CMC Magnetics Corp...as brobear mentioned, NOT highly regarded round these parts of the forum~ :)
if your friend "swears" by them, and is not open-minded to "better quality media", then let him suffer in a few months/years when those CMC MAGs deteriorate and then he will be crying to you about "u were right, i was wrong...etc"...
that kind of admittance to error is like GRAVY...lol...
some people will never change...can only help but watch on the sidelines as they later become belligerent about their media and then open up their eyes to "see the light"
give it some time, he'll/she'll come around~ :)
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
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11. January 2006 @ 21:40 |
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The jury is still out on the longevity of CMC. I have just a few recorded and the rest of the brand I was using at the time was Ricoh. I got caught in one of those deals where the brand changed manufacturers. During that period I was having some software problems, but even with that, the coaster rate was excessive. I've never seen the like with any other media. I did get some recorded DVDs out of the bunch and to date, they haven't shown up. My video library is rather extensive, so I'm not going to check all my backups. My problem was compatibility. I make sure my firmware and equipment is "up to snuff" and try to buy good media. Still the brands can sneak a bad one in on occasion.
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6. February 2006 @ 16:09 |
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Anyone have any experiences with the new Ritek, good or bad?
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64026402
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6. February 2006 @ 17:15 |
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I have recently had some less than perfect burns and finally a bad batch of Ritek 8x -r printables. I thought I had burner problems at first. I switched to TY 8x -r printables. Night and day difference. Perfect burns at 12x with DVDdecrypter verify to be sure.
Donald
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6. February 2006 @ 17:54 |
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I have read that fast burns don't hold up as well,that the burn to Disc is not as intense on the dyes.I truely don't have experience in this area of expertise,just what I've read on diff sites..I personaly will not burn any faster then 6X & hope that this is not to fast.THERE IS ALWAYS Something U can be doing for that xtra 2 or 3 mins
If I have a good movie to watch then I'll burn at 4X,this I do have confidence in for sure,2X is just to ungodly slow..But the 2X burns I do have,have held up well over the past years,even those on supposedly poor quality Disc's [Princo 12/14/2003]These were bought on sale at COMPUSA 25 for 10 bucks.NOW u can buy better for less,& a lot faster
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64026402
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6. February 2006 @ 18:06 |
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Nothing wrong with a slow burn. I did 4x on all burns until I switched media.
I run verify on all media no matter the speed so I just burn fast now. A good fast burn doesn't degrade anymore than a good slow burn. That much I have figured out over the last few years.
Who has the good media today is harder to figure.
Donald
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6. February 2006 @ 18:09 |
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Fast burn has not been around a few Yrs.I think its pretty much a yearling.8X was supposedly fast a yr ago,[I THINK]
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6. February 2006 @ 18:34 |
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Fast burn is what ever is fast for the time. 4x was fast when everyone said 2x was the only way to burn.
16x is fast now. 12x is fast for an 8x DVD. But it works.
Donald
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6. February 2006 @ 19:30 |
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Donald
Thanks for the info on the Ritek. Seems they're having some problems again. I've been seeing complaints and wondered if I could get some comments on them here.
rick5446
I'm not in so big a hurry as to push my 8X DVDs to 12X, even if my system says it can. I don't think 4X is the safe limit anymore either. Better, faster media and better hardware makes faster burn speeds safer now. Though the incidence of write errors do increase with speed. I'm easily burning at 6X and have no doubts the 8X would be trouble free. I was indoctrinated into the school of slow good and haven't started pushing any limits yet. Assuming the user has good media and good hardware, start at 4X and work your way up. That business about fast burns deteriorating is a myth. If the burn is on there good enough to read, it's going to stay. Study the construction of a DVD and what a laser does to it and you'll see what I mean. More depends on the quality of the media than the other burn variables. However, I'm not going to start burning video at 16X anytime soon. But as I mentioned earlier, my slow burns are a comfort factor more than hardware and media limitations.
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64026402
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7. February 2006 @ 03:06 |
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Keeping the speeds down to reduce the chance of errors has always been good advice. I lost so many ritek burning at slow speed that now I have good media again I feel I am catching up by burning faster.
DVDdecrypter is anal on verify so any defects are caught.
I have found that Nero misses some errors when doing the Riteks.
Anyway, when I stop being mad at Ritek I'll probably slow the burns again. 6x is a safer bet.
Donald
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7. February 2006 @ 05:26 |
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DVDdecrypter is anal on verify so any defects are caught.Problem with this statement is that their are defects
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7. February 2006 @ 07:32 |
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Wasn't that what Donald said? ;)
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