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nohelpme
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5. July 2005 @ 15:18 |
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verbs or TY>>>anything else you might as well throw it out lol
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brobear
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5. July 2005 @ 18:31 |
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verbs or TY>>>anything else you might as well throw it out lol
LOL Hope you were laughing at your own little joke. There's a lot of good media other than Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden. In fact, you can find some of the same media (made by the same manufacturers) under other brand names. I recently purchased TY media under the Fuji brand and have used media by the manufacturers of Verbatim in other brands as well. In fact, one of the more disliked manufacturers, CMC Magnetics, has a recordable media sold by Verbatim (which I try to avoid). CMC is the disc that gave Memorex the bad name. On a happier note, much of the media for Verbatim is manufactured by TY and Mitsubishi, both respected manufacturers. Instead of just naming brands, try identifying the discs by manufacturer code as well as brand name, such as Verbatim by TY or Fuji by TY. When I mention my favorite media, I say something along the lines of 8X +R TY and mention the brand (like Fuji). Mitsubishi as well as manufacturing the Verbatim media produces recordable media for several other brands (same media, different brands). Sony, Philips, HP, TDK, and Maxell are some of those brands made by Mitsubishi; though in many cases Mitsubishi isn't the sole supplier.
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neodave
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21. August 2005 @ 11:52 |
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I've had great luck with Verbatims before but not with the new 16x DVD+R's.(MCC-004-00) I even updated all my firmware. They seem to burn fine but fail to play on my standalone Toshiba player. Haven't had any problems with other +R media. They do seem to play OK on my Sony standalone but who wants media that won't play on all your players. So back to Best Buy it goes when the Fujis or Sonys go on sale again.
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brobear
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21. August 2005 @ 14:37 |
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When doing DVD backups, what speed are you burning at? A lot of programs burn at max settings and that's not a good idea with high speed media. You also mentioned something of interest; firmware. Standalone players have firmware also. I recently flashed my Philips standalone to update the firmware. So, with newer media, some standalone players may have firmware issues. That could be the cause with the backup playing on one player and not another.
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neodave
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21. August 2005 @ 14:59 |
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Most of my back-ups are done at 4x or 8x. Never new you could update a standalone players firmware. I paid $200 for the Toshiba back when 'progressive scan' first came out. Now you can get'em for around $50 or $60. How does one go about updating firmware on a Toshiba SD-4800?
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21. August 2005 @ 22:27 |
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@neodave - snippet from http://hdtv.forsandiego.com/messages/460/3408.html?1116637363 -
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Toshiba has issued a firmware update (part #DVD542-4) for the following models:
SD3750, SD4700, SD5700, SDK700, SD3800, SD4800, SDK710.
This DVD firmware is supposed to correct certain operational issue with the listed models.
Contact Toshiba at: ~~~~~~
Look carefully into that link as it links off to this - Quote:
Official Website for the Toshiba DVD Player Class Action Settlement
. Snippet from there - Quote:
ATTENTION: ALL PERSONS IN THE UNITED STATES WHO, PRIOR TO OCTOBER 15, 2004, PURCHASED OR ACQUIRED A TOSHIBA BRAND DVD PLAYER.
THIS NOTICE CONCERNS YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS.
NOTE REGARDING THE SETTLEMENT EFFECTIVE DATE:
Effective as of May 2, 2005, the class action settlement became final.
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phil1974
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22. August 2005 @ 02:10 |
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Can anyone tell me about CMC MAG AE1 DVD-R media because i bought 25 with CD-Rmedia.co.uk with their logo on and started to redo some of my backups, because I recently bought a portable dvd player and was a bit dodgy with a lot of media but everything was fine and worked on all players with these disc's but everyone seems to slate them really bad. I was going to buy loads to redo more stuff but am a bit put off. any comments on this media other than just bad!!!
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22. August 2005 @ 04:42 |
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@phil1974 - i'm trying really hard here, but 'fraid i just can't find anything good to say about them. The only place i see good things written about CMC disks (and bad too, of course) is over at cdfreaks - http://club.cdfreaks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=33
- but i think you'll find that's only 'cus at cdfreaks they test batches of most discs that exist out there, whereas we here at Afterdawn see gazillions of problems caused by that evil media on a daily basis
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brobear
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22. August 2005 @ 08:25 |
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@neodave
On my Philips, I downloaded the firmware update, recorded that to a disc and inserted that into the player. I'd think most players would have to have the firmware upgrade recorded to a disc and then installed. I went to the Philips support site. If your set has an upgrade, you should be able to get it at Toshiba's support. I noticed Creaky gave you info that there was an update and info on getting it.
@phil1974
cdfreaks is just another forum with a lot of members no more suited to testing than many of us here. In fact I got into a discussion with one of their senior members only to find out he was playing with a P2 processor, FAT32 system, and a tiny hard drive. How he could act the expert and tell others anything about DVDs and movie backups I'll never know. I'm sure they have some competent members, it's just my bad luck to run into the inept ones most of the time.
The problem I had with CMC media was a number of coasters, higher percentage than with other media. Also, the physical quality of the product was inferior when I bought it (Memorex). The pressed edge was rough and showed chipping. Since the edge seal is an important aspect of construction, I didn't look favorably on those. The ones that did record are still playing a year later though. However, I wouldn't run out to buy any more.
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neodave
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22. August 2005 @ 15:25 |
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Toshiba says I should have the update in the mail in 7 to 10 days. I'm hoping that solves my problem because I threw my Best Buy receipt away for the Verbatim.
Thanks for the help
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brobear
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22. August 2005 @ 17:19 |
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You're welcome.
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neodave
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4. September 2005 @ 11:59 |
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Well the firmware update on my Toshiba standalone didn't help my Verbatim 16x DVD+R problem. Guess I'll put them in the corner until my Toshiba dies. Thanks anyway.
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4. September 2005 @ 12:02 |
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@neodave - wasn't that other info i pasted further up, any good ?, re the 'Toshiba DVD Player Class Action Settlement' i mean ?
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neodave
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4. September 2005 @ 12:26 |
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Not really. They sent me a firmware update cd and it didn't help. As far as any monetary help I had missed the deadline for the class action lawsuit. Thanks for trying though.
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4. September 2005 @ 12:32 |
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ok no worries
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brobear
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4. September 2005 @ 12:42 |
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Just send the Verbatims on over. My old Pioneer will burn just about anything that's round and shiny. I updated the firmware on it once, but that was a precautionary measure. Same for my standalone player, updated it before I saw any problems. Now I'm feeling left out. No problems to report to the forum. I do try to use decent media, which may contribute to my good luck.
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Mez
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21. September 2005 @ 06:54 |
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A warning! I used unbranded disks early on when branded disks were very expensive $1+. The burn surface was "oiled" instead of dry. It helped the read/write process. I suspect they were rejects and "oiled" to make them usable. These are "going bad". The dye surface that had been consistant when new is not cosistant now. It appears to be degrading below the surface of the disk. I am now recopying all of them but 1 in 4 are too far gone. I do not regret buying them I because they were a good value for the money but I had wished I figured this out maybe 6-12 months ago. I have seen no degrading of branded disk bought at that same time.
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21. September 2005 @ 09:16 |
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Mez- yes we all get burned atleast once or twice in the begining ! It's part of the learning process ! but fortunately there are forums and groups like Afterdawn.com to enlighten those of us who are new to DVD burning and yes even those of us who'm are not so new as well ! What's that saying" Fool me once shame on you , fool me me twice shame on me!" Just Remeber friends don't let friends use crap media! Stick with good brands of media Like Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim , Ritek and prefferably made in japan if you can get it ! Taiyo Yuden is all Made In Japan , as are Some Maxell's SOme FUJI media is also Made in Japan " and is Actually made By Taiyo Yuden for Fuji ! But it has to say Made in japan if Fit's fuji or it's not taiyo yuden, Some taiwanese Media is also excellent _ VERBATIMS & Ritek Come to mind so if you can find theese brands don't run away from them because they are Taiwan Made! Some sony Media is also Japanese Made - (Taiyo Yudens) but you havr to look for the (MIJ = MADE in JAPAN ) ones kinda like looking for the UNION Label when you buy garments ! I know that all of this is a little confusing at times but it gets easier ! BEST BUY puts FUJI's & or Verbatim media on sale oh! like every other week at prices that are comparable to Online retailers like SUPERMEDIASTORE.COM or MERITLINE.COM or NEWEGG.COM all good comapnies ! Now if you are getting the Fuji's at BestBUY you'll have to look for the Made in japan ones because they'll be mixed in with the made in taiwan stuff and the packaging will l0ok the same other than saying made in japan near the barcode label on the spindle! verbatims are easy they'll say made in taiwan and are excellent disc just grab and go !hope this was helpful to you Mez ! Peace & happy Burning!
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brobear
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21. September 2005 @ 10:04 |
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I do not regret buying them I because they were a good value for the money but I had wished I figured this out maybe 6-12 months ago.
Time for a reality check... You don't have to be defensive of your decisions. However, having to replace an item 6 to 12 months later would be a total waste of money for me. I'd be angry about it; especially since time and effort were also expended in recording the media. I might not go after anyone's scalp, but I would have regretted wasting my time, if not my money (to tell the truth, I'd regret both). A good disc should last longer than the current technology that is being used. Anyone remember 8 track tapes? LOL
To make it easier, both Japan and Taiwan make good media. Taiwan also exports some crappy no name media as well. Stick to branded media by name brands and just beware of some brands like Memorex who have developed a bad name of late for selling junk like CMC manufactured media. Get DVD Identifier and learn how to use it. When possible, associate manufacturer with a particualr media, such as the Taiyo Yuden-Sony media or the Taiyo Yuden-Fuji. Taiyo Yuden sells under its own brand as well. By the way, the Sony made in Taiwan is a good product as well. Ricoh is another good manufacturer and they sell some media under their generic brand. So, just check out your purchases. Here would be a good place to ask before you buy or if you buy, a good place to get comments on your purchase.
Use the DVD Identifier any time you talk about media so we know who manufactured it. Manufacturer codes tell a big story. Just out of curiosity, who manufactured the bad media you bought that was oiled? That indicates there may have been a refraction problem with the outer polycarbonate layer of the disc. Get DVD Identifier and post the results here if you will.
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21. September 2005 @ 12:12 |
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brobear- Succinctly & eloquoently said ! Peace & happy Burning!
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brobear
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21. September 2005 @ 18:06 |
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BIGTOXY69
Thank you. I've addressed the issue so often, it's now become something of a practiced dissertation. The point I try to make most is the importance of observing how a particular manufacturer's quality holds up and trying to track which brands handle the media.
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nlm1976
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27. September 2005 @ 06:36 |
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As some of you know, I started out with Memorex media b/c I didn't know any better! Thanks to this forum, I was "converted" before I threw too much money down the drain. But before I figured it out I did alot of backing up on the crappy media. This morning I got my first taste of why Memorex is referred to as Memosux around here! One of the DVDs that my daughter loves and watches alot is not working well. It took me about 5 tries turning the player on and off to get the player to be able to read the DVD and once it started working it breaks up and skips frequently. Looks like I'm going to have to take advantage of some of those sales listed on here and re-backup the ones that are currently on Memorex. Bummer!!! When I used the Identifier program, it showed that the Memorex's were made by Prodisc so I thought they'd be ok but I guess not! If the Prodisc made discs are the better ones and this is how badly it reacts, I'd hate to see how badly the bad ones do! I made this DVD only 2 weeks ago and it's already a coaster!!
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brobear
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27. September 2005 @ 14:39 |
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I put a ? mark beside Prodisc some time ago. I try to avoid them. Been pretty lucky so far, I haven't accidentally purchased any. I've not heard of Memorex selling anything good since they stopped using Ricoh in the +R formats. That's been quite a while. Follow your own advice and avoid "Memosux" until they prove they've started selling better quality merchandise. Too bad the general public hasn't caught on to what's going on. Most people that buy memorex are just buying into a name (which in certain circles is now anathema).
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27. September 2005 @ 14:59 |
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yeah thats the bad thing about memorex u dont ever know what ur getting. i had to quit using them awhile back because of this. one day it was prodisc, ricojn,ritek,and cmc. i cant keep up wit all this sh-t.
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brobear
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27. September 2005 @ 16:49 |
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Well, don't look around too closely then. Many of the brands use multple manufacturing sources. The problem with Memorex is not the practice of using multiple sources, but in the ones they choose to use. Of late that has been mostly CMC and Prodisc. I've not heard of Memorex supplying any of the better quality media in any of their DVD formats lately. Memorex was doing good back when they were using quality media such as the Ricoh media (coded RICOHJPN) and Ritek.
gamename... I'd suggest the use of DVD Identifier, databases such as MediaMatch ( http://www.mediamatch.de/medien.php ), and look around the forums to see what is being said. If a poor old country bumpkin such as myself can see a bit of what is going on, surely more intelligent computer users should be able to get some kind of handle on what is happening. ;)
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