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3. May 2010 @ 19:42 |
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actually it was ALSO liquid nitrogen, but id assume that that is known when dealing with benchmarks this extreme. eahc GTX 480 was LN2s.
what it means is that they have the best hardware int he world and the best overclockers, that can push it is all. its got nothing to do with real world test. i dont remember anyone complain for years before hand about extreme results.
it really is an ATI thread here isnt it?
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3. May 2010 @ 19:59 |
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No, but given that the current nvidia high-end is so bad nobody should ever be buying them, it will certainly seem that way. I'm not among the big haters wishing nvidia will go bankrupt, but you can't ignore all the hideous badness of the 400 series.
It's a little extreme just to say the entire experiment is completely pointless, but its result is inevitable. GTX480s are marginally faster than HD5870s so the damn well should be setting records with 4 of them. The fact that you can only do it with a skulltrail-esque board, two kilowatt PSUs and liquid nitrogen though [I have severe doubts about how well four 480s would do even at stock clocks] makes it a bit of a farse though, especially when you could conceivably do the same [shortly] with ATI hardware on two 650W PSUs and any board with two 16x slots, minus a few percent, and the overclock [and given the Toxic 5970s have got over a gigahertz, I daresay they'd compete quite well. How far were said 480s overclocked? Much higher than 18% from reference?] This is air performance, it's 2500rpm, so not astonishingly loud, it's air-cooled, it's cool, and above all it's how it comes in the box. £1500 on cards and £120 on a board versus £1800 on cards, £500 on the board and goodness knows how much for the LN2 kit, for maybe ooh, 5-10% extra performance, scaling/bias excluded?
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3. May 2010 @ 20:12 |
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it really is an ATI thread here isnt it?
At this time probably it is. But I might add my 8800GTS is still in use every day and it still does a fair bit of gaming from time to time. It's a very well designed card, it uses reasonable power, it runs fairly cool, it's pretty quiet, and best of all, it won't die prematurely like the GTX480.
Yes the 480 is a very fast card, but they are also very poorly designed. The 8800GTS was a paramount high-end card of its time. The GTX480 is an overpriced, power sucking space heater. So was the 8800GTX for that matter but it was was actually so much faster it was justified. That's the black and white of it.
If Nvidia would play fair for once instead of bribing every single developer and publisher, I would at least see the GTX480 with pity. Right now I'm laughing at it because Nvidia talks so big all the time, overprice their stuff for no reason and fix all the games and benchmarks so they're crippled on ATi. Now they couldn't come out with a product anywhere near in time to compete, and couldn't even get their manufacturing process right. It's a taste of their own medicine when all the big talk comes back to haunt them.
Again, I'm not anti-Nvidia. I loved all the Nvidia cards I've owned. But there current gen is a poor effort. Even the GTX200 series cards are far better.
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In other news I've had dual 5850s since last week... not done much benching but all here should know BC2 runs amazingly. I'll show up with some performance numbers eventually. And change my sig too lol.
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3. May 2010 @ 20:17 |
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Your 8800GTS may not have died yet, but there is still a fundamental reliability issue with all nvidia products. For the hardened enthusiast, they typically last long enough to be obsolete before they break, but for the average user, not so much. I think of the dozen or so people I know with 8800s of various kinds, around half have already kicked the bucket, G80s and G92s inclusive.
The main reason I take shots at nvidia though is not dodgy products, it's the semi-legal business practices. They get good press not for making good performers, but by bribing developers to code against the opposition to make them look bad. Such incidents bring about unnecessary negative publicity, for example nvidia were accused of drowning Lucid. Turns out Lucid was just crap anyway :P
Sadly, the nvidia PR machine is so strong, and people so stupid, that such practices assure their place in the graphics card market for all time. It would have taken the GTX480 to not exist for people to not buy it.
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3. May 2010 @ 20:23 |
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Splinter Cell: Conviction (AA excluded)
Assumes 1.8/2.52/3.24x multi scaling
Minimal: Radeon X1800XT/HD2900 series/HD3690/HD4650/HD5570 or above, Geforce 7900GT/8600GTS/9500GT/GT220 or above
Reduced: Radeon HD3850/HD4700 series/HD5670 or above, Geforce 8800 series/9600GSO G92/GT240 or above
Moderate: Radeon HD3870X2/HD4770/HD4850/HD5750 or above, Geforce 8800GTS G92/9800GTX/GTS250 or above
Good: Radeon HD4850X2/HD4890/HD5750CF/HD5830 or above, Geforce 9800GX2/GTX260-216 or above
Optimal: Radeon HD4870X2/HD5830CF/HD5870 or above, Geforce 8800GTX Tri-SLI/GTX260 SLI/GTX470 or above
Extreme: Radeon HD5850Tri-CF or above, Geforce GTX285 Tri-SLI/GTX480 SLI or above
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3. May 2010 @ 23:34 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
That system is virtually impossible to build with retail parts. The Evga Classified SR-2? Show me where that's actually for sale. It's been out almost a month and so far the only working one I've seen is in that test. Also the price would be over $600 in retail stores. Oh yeah not to mention there are only a handful of cases in the world that can fit that board and every single one of them either needs mods or a custom-order motherboard tray...
That's the third SR-2 I've heard of XD I didn't know they were for sale yet, last I heard EVGA was keeping quiet about why they haven't been released yet.
Originally posted by shaffaaf:
it really is an ATI thread here isnt it?
I'll gladly buy another Nvidia gpu when they make one worth my money; all I care about (for the most part) is the price/performance ratio.
Didn't know that the G80/G92 cards died prematurely, my G80 has been going strong in a hot environment for 3 years now.
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4. May 2010 @ 03:19 |
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I just rented a couple BD discs to see if their video quality warranted purchase ;)
Star Trek 3, the search for spock. The video quality is WAYY better than I expected. Given it's a 1984 movie, and I've seen even older with GOOD quality, I have no doubt now, that Star Trek TNG will be re-released on BD discs. And I'll be first in line :D
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4. May 2010 @ 05:46 |
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Did I not explain that to you before? With TNG-> the action is recorded on film, but the effectd are overlayed digitally, so in order to make those series HD, they have to re-render all the effects from scratch in HD. I doubt they'll be coming out on BluRay, sadly.
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4. May 2010 @ 06:41 |
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Didn't know that the G80/G92 cards died prematurely, my G80 has been going strong in a hot environment for 3 years now.
Well the G80s are the main culprits. The G92s surely have a failure rate as well but AFAIK they're nowhere near as bad.
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Your 8800GTS may not have died yet, but there is still a fundamental reliability issue with all nvidia products. For the hardened enthusiast, they typically last long enough to be obsolete before they break, but for the average user, not so much. I think of the dozen or so people I know with 8800s of various kinds, around half have already kicked the bucket, G80s and G92s inclusive.
I gotta believe the large majority were G80s...
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4. May 2010 @ 12:34 |
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You do realize that the original star trek (1966), was released on HD discs. I bet my right arm, that they WILL do it. Even if they have to find a new way to render it. They'll do it :p The fan base is WAYY to big to NOT do it...
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4. May 2010 @ 13:28 |
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Yes, because I downloaded the 720p rips of all three series. My point is, they bothered, for three series of TOS. There are 21 seasons of TNG/DS9/VOY to do, and Paramount are cheapskates :P
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4. May 2010 @ 15:02 |
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I doubt they'll be cheap with TNG. I'll begin murdering off their staff if they attempt to be cheap LOL! I'm sure there are or will be eventually, programs that will handle a GOOD percentage of the work, which will decrease the cost of producing them ;)
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4. May 2010 @ 22:02 |
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5. May 2010 @ 15:59 |
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I don't see how those gpu's were able to stay cool long enough to run the tests.
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5. May 2010 @ 21:10 |
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At 100% fan speed they'd probably run around 95-98ºC. They probably wouldn't run real world games tests without underclocking, but 3dmark is light on the GPUs other than 2 short minutes, so it's not much of an issue.
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10. May 2010 @ 01:23 |
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Originally posted by sam:
I wouldn't leap at suggesting two HD5850s over an HD5970 for someone with a full 32x bandwidth. They'd get slightly more performance but I'd want to make sure that's all they wanted to do before suggesting it. An HD5970 is a fair bit more expensive, but occupies a lot less space, and more importantly, allows for extra GPUs to be added, or alternatively, something else to use the slots otherwise unusable with two cards installed. For many, it's a no-brainer, the two 5850s win every time because they're a lot cheaper, but the 5970 price is falling in the UK, so it's not necessarily an easy choice, depending on the user.
Yeah, I see what you mean - let me ask you this: Over on Tom's hardware some guys were talking about 2 5850s versus 2 5870s, and vs a 5970 4 gig when it comes out - and then one guy said "Yeah, you can pick up a 5970, and then add a 5870 later in crossfire."
So that would be tri-cf 5870 essentially - assuming 4 gigs on the 5970 and 2 gigs on the 5870. I know that crysis only supports 3 gpus, and the gtx 480 in tri-sli was able to bring in 2560x1600 highest quality, at around 50fps. I know the game is optimized for nvidia, but what would you think one could get, with tri-cf on that game, same resolution, same highest settings? Just a guess is all I'm wondering about.
On the other hand, Warhead will take advantage of 4 gpus - is that right?
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Haha new disxcovery. Enabling Vsync in the Metro 2033 cfg file improves framerates significantly. This can be duplicated and seems to work on EVERY system.
Nice info! I just saved that in my Metro paperport folder for when I get that game - I still remember your killer review!
"evga rape the 3dmark vantage record for all 4 catagories with aa QUAD GTX480 setup. (and 12 cores (24 threads)"
"Interesting but not really applicable to anything at all as 3DMark = Nvidia's Private Sex Slave"
Jeff and Shaff are duking it out - but those Kingpin and Shimono guys - pretty impressive stuff!
Jeff isn't done:
"But it was wholly unnecessary and took like half of Nvidia's stock of working 480s... " haha
"Nvidia, The Way It's Meant To Be Played" What, you mean on fire? Or do you mean not at all because the card is dead?
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
"Likewise, if you attached large rockets to a car it'd be the fastest road car ever, but er, you get the point."
Sam can't let Jeff have all the fun!
But Shaff comes back with .............. "FANBOYS!"
"It really is an ATI thread here isn't it?"
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This is air performance, it's 2500rpm, so not astonishingly loud, it's air-cooled, it's cool, and above all it's how it comes in the box. £1500 on cards and £120 on a board versus £1800 on cards, £500 on the board and goodness knows how much for the LN2 kit, for maybe ooh, 5-10% extra performance, scaling/bias excluded?
And let's not forget about the two 6-core cpus!!! - aren't those little suckers running around a grand each??
SPEAKING OF HD!
On other news - my brother and I picked up a toshiba 47" floor model for $100 off - (we liked it then missed getting over there the next weekend, then the weekend after that they were sold out in all of So Cal and discontinuing the special - so I stood there guarding the floor model until my brother could bring the truck :P) at costco for $800 with a usb port. It will play a lot of stuff directly from a thumb drive - all standard avis - I squeezed av...t..ar on a 4 gig thumb as a 1080p avi, but that is too advanced for the builtin media player - so I'm trying to find some 720p avis as a test.
I think the eventual plan is to pick up one of the new "DivX Plus" blueray sets that were just announced which are coming out first in Europe, which will handle all types of dvds, etc., as well as thumb drives into the usb port with the high end avis and 1080 mkv files.
We get 11 high def channels off the cable, as it is, without paying the extra $20/mo for the HD box - and the high-res just blows regular tv out of the water!!
HD ROCKS!
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10. May 2010 @ 16:58 |
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Originally posted by harvrdguy:
Originally posted by sam:
And let's not forget about the two 6-core cpus!!! - aren't those little suckers running around a grand each??
Rich
Depends on where you are from what I've heard, but last time I looked (obviously not very often lol) the 980 was just under 1k and the higher end xeons where ~1.2k in the US.
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10. May 2010 @ 17:18 |
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Haha just did a reformat last night. First time in about 6 months. Ahh, feels like a big dump XD
Also... might have a small chance at a Phenom II X6 1090T. Not counting my chickens here but there is that possibility...
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10. May 2010 @ 17:46 |
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What do you mean you have a chance? Like you may get it for free! Not fair :p
I'm not too concerned with having one at this point in time. My 965 is wonderful. And most of my softwares can't utilize 6 cores. Only a handful can utilize 4 ;) I think Apophysis may be the only one with the potential of going beyond 4 cores. Though CCE encoder may have the potential. Gonna have to look into that :D
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11. May 2010 @ 13:15 |
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Tri-CF with a 5870 and a 5850 is a waste, as when mismatching cards all GPUs only perform to the abilities of the slowest GPU. Since the HD5970 effectively performs like two 5850s, you're better off getting a 5850 with it. Of course, the extra processors on the 5870 will help performance marginally, but very little for the reasonably considerable extra cost. Using the 5970 4GB with a 5870 2GB is, of course, a totally viable option, though it will require adapters for a large number of high-end PSUs, as lots of high-end units (Corsair excluded) only ship with two 8-pin units, regardless of the number of 6-pins they have. A 5970 4GB with a 2GB 5870 would require three 8-pins and one 6, as opposed to the two 8s and two 6s that running a pair of standard 5970s requires.
Given how CF/SLI scales in Crysis, an HD5870 Tri-CF setup will be roughly 20% behind the GTX480s at worst, maybe only 5-10% at best.
I haven't seen an article specifically examining 4 GPU performance in Warhead, from what I gather they do work, but scaling for ATI is far lower than for nvidia as it is of course coded out of the game.
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11. May 2010 @ 13:18 |
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11. May 2010 @ 15:05 |
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well f me! Good to see asus where it belongs :D
what speed were both processors running at. And that gpu clock is insame, over 1.3GHz! That's some serious overclocking.
btw has anyone played blur? Or pre ordered it? Is it worth the £35? Does it have offline splitscreen?
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11. May 2010 @ 16:24 |
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It works out around a 60% overclock on the GPUs, damn ludicrous. The article also states the CPU was running at 6.08Ghz at 1.85V.
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11. May 2010 @ 18:25 |
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It's been a while but I finally got around to getting that audigy sound blaster SE. It fixed my bad company problems and I have even better sound when playing with war tapes. What exactly do those hacked drivers add? I'm not too worried if it just adds speaker fill.
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11. May 2010 @ 18:48 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
It works out around a 60% overclock on the GPUs, damn ludicrous. The article also states the CPU was running at 6.08Ghz at 1.85V.
yeah but who cares, its LN2, never will use it in real life.. yadda yadda yadda :P
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