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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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Any Flaming Results in a Temp Ban or Worse. Your Choice!!!
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7. May 2010 @ 17:09 |
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Red_Maw,
Nice Spreadsheet, but very flawed! There's no information as the Ambient temperatures, and no indication if those temps were altered for more real world numbers. I'm not saying that he is right or wrong in his conclusions, but that the manor in which the tests were conducted doesn't contain near enough information to draw a proper conclusion.
You mentioned no loss of performance?? What performance would that be? If the room is 55F, like Anandtech and others set their temps to review CPU coolers, you wind up with very close performance from Brand to Brand, Kick the room temp up to a more normal 78-80F, and it will better show you which models cool the best! Separate the Men from the Boys, so to speak!
I also don't see the possibility of a larger heat dump from the motor. The pump motor only draws 1w, and spins on ceramic Bearings, so there's no lubricant required, and almost no friction.
After seeing that 6 core AMD overclocked to 4GHz, and the temps they recorded with the CoolIt, I'm about 95% convinced to buy one!
Russ
I agree there is a lack of information in the article and I personally would love to see ambient temps in reviews as it seems everyone forgets that X cooler in 55F ambient does a crap job at 85F. By performance loss I meant that having an absurdly high flow rate doesn't have a negative impact on cooling, it just has little to no effect (again ignoring the heat dump from the pump).
I have not seen or heard of any 1w pumps, but if it's good I'd love to get one :P Most pumps only have a small heat dump but some of the higher performance ones are in the 20-30w range iirc.
Red_Maw,
Looks like I get to be the Guinea Pig! LOL!! I just ordered the CoolIt EOC for my computer. Considering the results I get at 3.8GHz with the Freezer 64, and knowing that the case airflow is excellent, I'll be disappointed if it doesn't work far better than the Freezer 64, especially when the heat of summer get's here. July and August temps are 110-115F, and I've seen 117F, so it get's very hot for a couple of months out of the year. I may even be able to use the 16x PCIE slot again! LOL!!
Stay Tuned,
Russ
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7. May 2010 @ 22:00 |
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russ that looks like a nice cooler.let me know how it works out. i might have to get me one.
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7. May 2010 @ 22:15 |
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Originally posted by redice:
russ that looks like a nice cooler.let me know how it works out. i might have to get me one.
redice,
I'll be posting the results, for sure! :)
Russ
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7. May 2010 @ 22:39 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Red_Maw,
Looks like I get to be the Guinea Pig! LOL!! I just ordered the CoolIt EOC for my computer. Considering the results I get at 3.8GHz with the Freezer 64, and knowing that the case airflow is excellent, I'll be disappointed if it doesn't work far better than the Freezer 64, especially when the heat of summer get's here. July and August temps are 110-115F, and I've seen 117F, so it get's very hot for a couple of months out of the year. I may even be able to use the 16x PCIE slot again! LOL!!
Stay Tuned,
Russ
Good luck, hope it works for you.
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7. May 2010 @ 23:53 |
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Red_Maw,
Looks like I get to be the Guinea Pig! LOL!! I just ordered the CoolIt EOC for my computer. Considering the results I get at 3.8GHz with the Freezer 64, and knowing that the case airflow is excellent, I'll be disappointed if it doesn't work far better than the Freezer 64, especially when the heat of summer get's here. July and August temps are 110-115F, and I've seen 117F, so it get's very hot for a couple of months out of the year. I may even be able to use the 16x PCIE slot again! LOL!!
Stay Tuned,
Russ
Good luck, hope it works for you.
Red_Maw,
Thanks! The only bad review I read was from some place called Clunk, in the UK. Judging by their review, I would say they either didn't have the pump mounted correctly to the CPU, left the plastic cover on, or it had a defective base plate. The vast majority were positive reviews.
There was also another place where their forum said it wasn't a fair test between the EOC and the H-50, saying that both should have had the air blowing out! LOL!! The H-50 was designed to exhaust into the case, so how could it be unfair when both units were installed correctly, according to the installation instructions? I'll have better answers, next week.
Thanks again for the GL,
Russ
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8. May 2010 @ 03:44 |
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Haha believe it or not my old OCZ StealthXStream finally kicked the bucket. Dude tells me it just shut off in middle of a game and wouldn't turn back on. Go over there and sure enough the machine is dead as a door nail. Pulled the StealthXStream out to check it out and the fan was seized up with some burn marks inside! Haha what a way to go. Not internal issues but a failed cooling fan! LOL
Didn't take a single piece of hardware with it though bless it.
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8. May 2010 @ 04:14 |
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Ha ha! Not laughing here...
I had that exact mishap happen to me. The damn PSU's cooling fan went. Though I caught it in time thankfully. Windows would freeze up. My guess is the transformer within the PSU was getting so hot it either became erratic, or something was communicating with it to shut down. Because if I were to leave it off a few minutes, then start it back up, it would freeze up at almost precisely 2 minutes every time. Or the CPU was simply not getting stable power, and caused a windows error ;)
I got several months of reliable service after that. I probably would have had more if it weren't for that damned fan! :) Definitely pays to watch those buggers ;)
I believe that was in 2005. My first machine might I add. I've had it since 2003. a very decent machine in its day. A pavilion 7905 :D
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8. May 2010 @ 04:31 |
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HA now got the guy hooked up with a second hand Antec NeoPower Blue 650W. Not an ideal unit but it's never had problems and voltages are in-check...
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8. May 2010 @ 12:08 |
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why not replace fan?
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8. May 2010 @ 13:53 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
why not replace fan?
Me? I did :) Radioshack at a suitable replacement :D
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8. May 2010 @ 17:03 |
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Shaff: Read the post, he said the PSU was dead. Not much good replacing the fan! :P
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8. May 2010 @ 18:23 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Shaff: Read the post, he said the PSU was dead. Not much good replacing the fan! :P
Thanks Sammy.. I needed the LOL's. :)
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8. May 2010 @ 22:00 |
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Yeah as far as I can tell the fan had been locked up for a few days. Pulled apart shows me it was a sleeve bearing, go figure... Anyway yeah the best I could figure it was the fan failing that caused the damage. Unless something else could seize up a fan like that... Wasn't a bad unit and it load tested wonderfully so I'm a bit hesitant to point at internal parts for the failure.
I would assume any overload on it would just have it shut down, wait a few minutes, and turn it back on. And I know for sure the system it was powering was well within the limits of the hardware. X3 720 @ 3.7, 4GB OCZ Plat. DDR2 800, Gigabyte 780G, 2 HDDs, and my good old 9800GTX+ AMP!.
But from what I see it was simply a failed cooling fan and it shut down due to heat damage. Nothing more.
Whatever it was the PSU did it's job admirably right to the end. Got the Antec 650 plugged in and it started right up like nothing happened. Not a single fried component. It was a good end for such a die-hard PSU :)
Mind you I no longer own this system. Sold it to a friend for $400 with my old Athlon X2 7750BE @ 3.2 in it. He's since then replaced the 7750 with a 720BE but apart from that no other changes...
The Antec NeoPower 650 I got off a friend for $30. Seems he used it for about a year, had some issues, and replaced it in his attempts to fix the system... which turned out to be a damaged DVI end on his secondary monitor causing no POST... weird but true. Also just got a 4890 from him for $80. Someone offered me $120 so it's practically sold :D
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A little help Please.
Can anyone tell me what the MCP temp is for, on the Foxconn Motherboard in Oxi? All my temps look good with the 630 Quad in it, but the MCP seems high at 60C, but I have no idea of what it is!
Thanks in Advance,
Russ
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9. May 2010 @ 20:22 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
A little help Please.
Can anyone tell me what the MCP temp is for, on the Foxconn Motherboard in Oxi? All my temps look good with the 630 Quad in it, but the MCP seems high at 60C, but I have no idea of what it is!
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Russ
Russ I"m sorry I couldn't find the mobo serial number for your Oxi. ;) Any help on that buddy??
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9. May 2010 @ 20:27 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
A little help Please.
Can anyone tell me what the MCP temp is for, on the Foxconn Motherboard in Oxi? All my temps look good with the 630 Quad in it, but the MCP seems high at 60C, but I have no idea of what it is!
Thanks in Advance,
Russ
Russ I"m sorry I couldn't find the mobo serial number for your Oxi. ;) Any help on that buddy??
GM,
Model:Foxconn M61PMV
SN:UY30931124123
It has the latest bios in it and it runs fine, I'm just trying to figure out what the MCP Temperature is.
Thanks,
Russ
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9. May 2010 @ 21:54 |
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@Russ... drawing a blank too. ;)
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9. May 2010 @ 23:06 |
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Probably wrong but my best guess is that it's the NVIDIA nForce 430 MCP chipset. Where exactly are you seeing MCP, the bios?
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9. May 2010 @ 23:33 |
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
Probably wrong but my best guess is that it's the NVIDIA nForce 430 MCP chipset. Where exactly are you seeing MCP, the bios?
Red_Maw,
It shows up in Everest 5.30. I have a webcam that shows up InfraRed real well, and I looked over the motherboard in the dark. There as a chip with a heatsink on it that shows that it get's quite warm. I'm going to put one of the Good Antec 40mm fans on it, and see if the temperature goes down. I don't use the On board Graphice, I use a 16x PCI-E 8400GS for graphics. Thank you and GM both for your efforts!
Best Regards,
Russ
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is it not the northbridge?
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
It shows up in Everest 5.30. I have a webcam that shows up InfraRed real well, and I looked over the motherboard in the dark. There as a chip with a heatsink on it that shows that it get's quite warm.
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well I'm friggin jealous!
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
is it not the northbridge?
Shaff,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186155
I don't know. I'm not very familiar with older generation AMD Motherboards at all. It's in a location on the motherboard where the SouthBridge chip is usually located. You can see by the link, there is only one chip with a heatsink on it, and it does get pretty warm.
The board was a replacement for the original Foxconn Motherboard that came with the original T Series eMachine. I bought it mainly for it's ability to handle a 95w CPU, knowing that I would be replacing the Athlon2 x2 7750BE in it, with my 630 Quad, down the road. I just didn't think it would be quite this soon, but the price was right, at $150! If I had waited another month, I could have gotten the Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 2.8GHz for the same money from TigerDirect. They had them on sale for $150 LOL!! no big! I love my 955BE!
My CoolIt ECO-R120 Water Cooler should be here Tuesday or Wednesday. I had it boot up into Windows at 4.0GHz, just to see if it would, by raising the multiplier, and leaving the 3.8GHz settings alone. I just didn't want to push my luck with the Freezer 64, so I shut it right down. I am going to find out what it will do though, but not at one single .001v over 1.550v. AMD says that that's the maximum safe voltage for my CPU, and I'm not going to go exceed it. If it will run a stable, cool and Productive 4.0GHz, then that's what it will stay at. By productive I mean I'm going do 10 passes with IBT and do some Folding, completing a week or so of Work Units before I'll pronounce it completely Stable. Then I can get the "Cuda" technology part with my video card working and put up some serious folding numbers!
With the ECO, I'm going to switch the fan that comes with it to my present rear 68 CFM 1200 rpm Slipstream, before I install it. I spoke (email) to Scythe, and they said that there should be no problem using it on the ECO as the exhaust, behind the cooler. My Cudo's to Sam, as they did advise me not to put it on the other side of the Rad, because it wasn't designed for that much back pressure and could harm the motor. I want to maintain the same case airflow I have now, to see if anything changes for the better. If I did the math and my guesstimations are right, everything should run cooler. The big unknown at the moment, is all the new open space created by the Freezer 64 not being in the way of the airflow anymore. I'm hoping that I can put my video card back in the 16x slot again, as it will be out in the open, without the side of the Freezer 64 creating a narrow tunnel between them. It should be much quieter, too!
Russ
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MCP=media communications processor
http://www.nvidia.com/page/nforce.html
"The new NVIDIA nForce2 Gigabit MCP delivers industry-leading Gigabit Ethernet performance, advanced NVIDIA Firewall technology for critical system security, Serial ATA (SATA), and easy to use NVIDIA RAID technology. "
looks like Nvidia's term for their "super fancy" southbridge...
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10. May 2010 @ 04:13 |
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Russ, I'd be interested in knowing which Webcam you have, and your rating of it compared to something seen on television. You know what I mean. Those snazzy infrared shots filmed in movies ;) How would you compare yours to a high quality movie. 10/10 being generally flawless. 0/10 being worthless. I could be quite interested in this technology ;) Or do most webcams have a setting for this? I would think such a setting to be somewhat expensive...But I know/understand darn little about this technology.
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Russ, I'd be interested in knowing which Webcam you have, and your rating of it compared to something seen on television. You know what I mean. Those snazzy infrared shots filmed in movies ;) How would you compare yours to a high quality movie. 10/10 being generally flawless. 0/10 being worthless. I could be quite interested in this technology ;) Or do most webcams have a setting for this? I would think such a setting to be somewhat expensive...But I know/understand darn little about this technology.
Oman7,
It's just that it can see infra red because it has 6 infrared lights on it, supposedly for "Night Vision". The light's effective range isn't over 2.5", so as long as you stay outside that range, and it's dark, it shows the hot spots. Gas Stove burners look almost bright white, surrounded by Greenish Purple! The Camera still has you in the picture, but it's very dark. The Camera is a Sabrent WCM-6LNV. The Infrared is there, but it"s almost useless!
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SKUSearch_v3....riteria=BA36357
It's about the size of an Ice cube, and at 1.3MP and 640x480, it sucks! No where near the picture quality of the M$ VX-3000 1.3MP webcam! Hey, it was $10, delivered! I didn't even want one, but Russell got one for me anyway! I talk to people all the time on IMs, but if it's a Video call, I can't close my IM window and get any work done! Usually I have it unplugged from the USB! That solves that problem! LOL!!
Russ
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