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5. May 2010 @ 14:20 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
It'll be a new drive's sensor type not being recognised by that version of everest, I highly doubt the sensor is faulty.
Sam,
The real question is why would they change the sensor type? I've only seen one drive (IDE)that the system wouldn't recognize, and even then it could be addressed and used as a slave drive. I would be more inclined to think that something is wrong in the drive, because I also can't remember not being able to read the temperature of any modern drive, with any version of Everest that included HDD temps. That's why I asked him to check the system/Hardware/Device Manager, in the control panel, to see if the motherboard shows the drive correctly.
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5. May 2010 @ 14:23 |
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I've no idea, but I'm pretty certain I've seen drives show up like that before, when in their infancy. Most of us don't buy HDDs that have only just been released to market.
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5. May 2010 @ 14:37 |
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I've seen some very strange smart readings with HDD's ran through Sata 3.0 ports. Probably because speedfan is incapable at present of interpreting that way ;)
There COULD be something screwy with the port too. or cable for that matter...
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5. May 2010 @ 16:12 |
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I was just perplexed as how the numbers for C and F weren't the same temperature. That's the only time I've seen that hdd (everest only shows 3/5 hdd temps) show up in everest, so it's definitely not the sensor (different story though). To be honest I've had some very strange problems with this MB's sata ports, most notable being that my ODD doesn't work (works fine in my old system) and the incredibly slow transfer speeds. As of yesterday the ODD won't even stay closed anymore unless I hold it closed till it gives up trying to eject the tray. Going to swap it with some POS ODD I got for cheap this weekend and see how it fairs, not too confident though. As odd as this sounds I'm likely not to buy another gigabyte board after this experience.
Originally posted by omegaman7:
I've seen some very strange smart readings with HDD's ran through Sata 3.0 ports. Probably because speedfan is incapable at present of interpreting that way ;)
There COULD be something screwy with the port too. or cable for that matter...
I have hdd's on SATA 3.0 ports that everest does just fine with, it seems to luck of the draw as a far as I can tell.
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Red_Maw,
Bad sensor, more than likely. See what shows in the System in the Control panel. If windows is reading it wrong, nothing else is going to see it right!
Russ
Sensor is fine, speedfan has no problem with it (and shows all my hdds too lol). Windows reads it fine, only consistent problem is all the smart attributes are unknown, with the exception of possibly the WD software which I haven't tried.
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6. May 2010 @ 08:15 |
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On another Building note, here's an interesting new Water cooling system. How well it works, remains to be seen. Very simple to install, and the air blows out of the case, not in!
http://www.coolitsystems.com/index.php/eco.html
Check out the video!
Russ
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6. May 2010 @ 10:11 |
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Looks identical to the H50, apart from the fan being the correct way round.
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6. May 2010 @ 12:57 |
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Definitely looks impressive russ. I agree with sam, in that it reminds me greatly of the H50. Probably similar effectiveness as well ;) Though the power consumption might be less eh? Not sure what the H50's power requirements are.
Well it's definitely confirmed about the HAF932's wiring being shoddy. Its gone months without restarting itself. It did yesterday. I was going back and forth between my secondary and primary with a wireless mouse usb dongle. I'm thinking I'm gonna disconnect the reset switch from the board, and see if that's where the problem is. Since I don't use the reset switch, no big deal. And since it only happens once in a blue moon, it could be quite a while, til I know if it worked LOL!
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6. May 2010 @ 16:52 |
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6. May 2010 @ 17:32 |
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6. May 2010 @ 18:40 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Thanks russ. This guys video review may have just sold me :D
Highly impressed! With summer coming up rapidly, I'm strongly considering it ;)
http://pcwizkidstechtalk.com/index.php/coolitecoreview.html
Oman7,
Add me to the list of the "Impressed"! You will note that they have kept the water flow speed reduced by using smaller fittings (1/8" ID) on the pump and rad, Something I advocated a couple of years ago for water cooling. It's pretty much like removing the thermostat from an automobile in that it runs water through the cooling system so fast, that the car overheats because it lacks sufficient time to effectively remove the heat from the radiator and cool the liquid sufficiently before returning it to the engine, just as too much airflow does with conventional air CPU cooling. With the $20 MIR, it's the same price as the Noctua I was considering. At 2w total for the pump and fan, it appears to be very efficient and power stingy!
Since my Computer is being left to my Friend Russell, and Oxi is being left to another good Friend Dave, Russell and I will make the decision in a day or so on whether to get the Noctua or this CoolIt for mine!
Thanks for the vid!
Russ
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6. May 2010 @ 18:44 |
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lol. No, thank you! :D
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6. May 2010 @ 19:01 |
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All tests I have seen showed no loss in performance due to high water flow, although there is virtually no benefit past 2gpm. The problem usually is that with more powerful pumps the small gain in increased flow isn't offset by the larger heat dump from the motor. See here for more information.
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6. May 2010 @ 21:02 |
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Red_Maw,
Nice Spreadsheet, but very flawed! There's no information as the Ambient temperatures, and no indication if those temps were altered for more real world numbers. I'm not saying that he is right or wrong in his conclusions, but that the manor in which the tests were conducted doesn't contain near enough information to draw a proper conclusion.
You mentioned no loss of performance?? What performance would that be? If the room is 55F, like Anandtech and others set their temps to review CPU coolers, you wind up with very close performance from Brand to Brand, Kick the room temp up to a more normal 78-80F, and it will better show you which models cool the best! Separate the Men from the Boys, so to speak!
I also don't see the possibility of a larger heat dump from the motor. The pump motor only draws 1w, and spins on ceramic Bearings, so there's no lubricant required, and almost no friction.
After seeing that 6 core AMD overclocked to 4GHz, and the temps they recorded with the CoolIt, I'm about 95% convinced to buy one!
Russ
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6. May 2010 @ 22:01 |
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6. May 2010 @ 22:56 |
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6. May 2010 @ 23:43 |
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7. May 2010 @ 00:31 |
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I imagine most encoders may not know how to use 6 cores. CCE is industry leading though, So I guess it wouldn't surprise me. And I imagine programmers may already be on 6 and 12 core capabilities for megui, ripbot264, etc :D Might be a bit early for buying a 6 core cpu, but not TOO early ;)
Shaff, what the heck is that! LOL!
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7. May 2010 @ 01:05 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I imagine most encoders may not know how to use 6 cores. CCE is industry leading though, So I guess it wouldn't surprise me. And I imagine programmers may already be on 6 and 12 core capabilities for megui, ripbot264, etc :D Might be a bit early for buying a 6 core cpu, but not TOO early ;)
Shaff, what the heck is that! LOL!
Oman7,
I believe that CCE can handle any number of cores, so 6 cores would probably put encoding in the low to mid teens on average. Good lord, I remember three hours or more! ROFLMAO!! Set it to run and go to bed! LOL!! Oh and hope you don't wake up to an error! LOL!!
Russ
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7. May 2010 @ 02:21 |
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I'm not a programmer, but there is a certain logic to a scalability within a program. What I mean is, the number of cores SHOULD be negligible/pointless. One day, I'll understand how stuff like that works ;) I think about programming a significant portion of my day. I might even understand in my own way, how a lot of it works. As I said, there's a certain logic to it all. Math is everywhere...
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7. May 2010 @ 06:58 |
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Haha stupid moment. Was running IBT today when my motherboard speaker starts throwing up the alarm. I'm freaking out now. Is it voltage? Memory failure? After 20 minutes checking my settings over and over it finally dawns on me. Doi. Look in my BIOS and sure enough, forgotten I had set the board temp warning at 60*C for my Crysis testing. Well set the warning back up to 70 and all is peachy.
My chipset usually gets about 55-58 playing most games. But the system hogs, Crysis and IBT included, seem to push it a bit further and it gets into the ~65-68 range. All things considered not bad or dangerous. Will go up to video card-like temps before things get damaged. But I'm looking into some sort of aftermarket cooling for it... Just FTR never seen it hit 70...
Anyhoo any suggestions for aftermarket chipset cooling or possibly a small, low-noise fan?
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7. May 2010 @ 08:44 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Anyhoo any suggestions for aftermarket chipset cooling or possibly a small, low-noise fan?
I believe Enzotech provides some nice little aftermarket coolers for chipsets. ;)
Antec makes a little fan that is nice as well... Russ knows which one it is. :D
there are some others but this is a good one. ;) Antec 76005 40mm
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7. May 2010 @ 09:11 |
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Found a temporary/permanent solution for this. Got a 60 x 25mm Sunon from an old PSU(actually very quiet) hanging under the CPU HSF blowing towards the chipset heatsink. Produces reasonable airflow too. Dropped my temps a cool 10*C :D
Dunno if I'll use this forever but it works and it's quiet so fine for now...
Might look into a whole new aftermarket sink later but this fixed me up perfectly.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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7. May 2010 @ 15:07 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Haha stupid moment. Was running IBT today when my motherboard speaker starts throwing up the alarm. I'm freaking out now. Is it voltage? Memory failure? After 20 minutes checking my settings over and over it finally dawns on me. Doi. Look in my BIOS and sure enough, forgotten I had set the board temp warning at 60*C for my Crysis testing. Well set the warning back up to 70 and all is peachy.
My chipset usually gets about 55-58 playing most games. But the system hogs, Crysis and IBT included, seem to push it a bit further and it gets into the ~65-68 range. All things considered not bad or dangerous. Will go up to video card-like temps before things get damaged. But I'm looking into some sort of aftermarket cooling for it... Just FTR never seen it hit 70...
Anyhoo any suggestions for aftermarket chipset cooling or possibly a small, low-noise fan?
Estuansis,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...tech-_-35708002
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835129036
These are about as good as you can get.
Russ
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7. May 2010 @ 16:12 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
Originally posted by Estuansis:
Anyhoo any suggestions for aftermarket chipset cooling or possibly a small, low-noise fan?
I believe Enzotech provides some nice little aftermarket coolers for chipsets. ;)
Antec makes a little fan that is nice as well... Russ knows which one it is. :D
there are some others but this is a good one. ;) Antec 76005 40mm
GM,
That be the right fan! I have tried all of the others, and this is the only quiet and reliable fan I've found. 6.5cfm seems to work real well for chipset cooling. Buying any other 40mm fan, is just a waste of money, because they don't last out their warranty!
The big problem today is all those heatpipe coolers that come on a lot of the newer motherboards. Most have two parts joined by a pipe. Some even have a third, for the Southbridge. They all have to come out in one piece. Mine covers the NB and the VRMs, behind the CPU cooler. I took those pretty blue aluminum covers off both heatsinks, and put a more powerful 40cfm Scythe Slipstream fan in the lower side cover, blowing in. The MB temps usually stay well under 40C (36C at the moment). It makes no difference in 3DMark, with my video card whether it's in the top 16x slot, or the bottom 8x one, so I've left it in the lower slot. I understand the need to try and keep the pipelines as short as possible, but that crams about 80% of all the heat generated into about a 1/2 Sq foot area. In my top PCIE slot, the back of the video card is slap up against the NB heatsink. It's no wonder the NB is such a bitch to keep cool!
Russ
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7. May 2010 @ 16:13 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Red_Maw,
Nice Spreadsheet, but very flawed! There's no information as the Ambient temperatures, and no indication if those temps were altered for more real world numbers. I'm not saying that he is right or wrong in his conclusions, but that the manor in which the tests were conducted doesn't contain near enough information to draw a proper conclusion.
You mentioned no loss of performance?? What performance would that be? If the room is 55F, like Anandtech and others set their temps to review CPU coolers, you wind up with very close performance from Brand to Brand, Kick the room temp up to a more normal 78-80F, and it will better show you which models cool the best! Separate the Men from the Boys, so to speak!
I also don't see the possibility of a larger heat dump from the motor. The pump motor only draws 1w, and spins on ceramic Bearings, so there's no lubricant required, and almost no friction.
After seeing that 6 core AMD overclocked to 4GHz, and the temps they recorded with the CoolIt, I'm about 95% convinced to buy one!
Russ
I agree there is a lack of information in the article and I personally would love to see ambient temps in reviews as it seems everyone forgets that X cooler in 55F ambient does a crap job at 85F. By performance loss I meant that having an absurdly high flow rate doesn't have a negative impact on cooling, it just has little to no effect (again ignoring the heat dump from the pump).
I have not seen or heard of any 1w pumps, but if it's good I'd love to get one :P Most pumps only have a small heat dump but some of the higher performance ones are in the 20-30w range iirc.
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