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nightborn
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11. March 2005 @ 14:20 |
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well said. I was only trying to answer a question someone above asked when someone had to argue my point, but I will stop here.
Nice to have friendly ppl like you around.
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dlc2000
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11. March 2005 @ 15:19 |
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i was also replying to the broad general statement that buying media from a local source is the best way to go . i have no problems with fuji films and i use quite a few of them . they just dont play in my older ps2 . no offense to anyone intended
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11. March 2005 @ 16:23 |
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@BIGTOXY69,
Ok I loved your post, but come on be for real.. How boring would that be if we were all these polite and courtious people? I for one love reading those little bickers on here :-) and if they get to out of hand there is always the Mods! I am here to learn and help others as well, but I also wanna have a little fun in the process. Sometimes it's just plain hilarious to see how irrate, upset and passonate some people can get on here. It just wouldnt be the same if everyone was quiet and didnt speek there minds when they wanted to. I for one don't bite my tounge sometimes when i should and get in to hot water sometimes, but I never mean anything personnally towards anyone here.. How could I? I don't know anyone here personally, and I like everyone on here.. well most of the time.. LOL Anyway I have went on about this long enough I wish everyone the best and take care all.. My .01 and a half cents LOL
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Balaam
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11. March 2005 @ 16:32 |
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@nightborn,
see, the thing is, when you post here, you're not just answering one person's question, you're offering up information that's on the public record for anyone to see. If another person comes along and disagrees with you, they have the right to offer their opinion. Just because you got there first, doesn't mean your opinion is more valid then the next perosn that comes along. :)
And actually, I think dlc2000 is right in this situation. I just bought my 10th 100 pack of TY media in the last 3 months, split pretty evenly between meritline and supermediastore. I've never had any problems: always got what I paid for, disks arrive within 4 days, and I've actually saved money while buying media that is greatly superior to 99.99999% of the media that is to be found in brick&mortar stores. I don't want a big fujifilm logo on my disks, I want them unmarked for printing.
And unless you're talking about how memorex sucks, or how Taiyo Yuden is flawless, you can't really make and broad generalizations stick when it comes to backing up dvds. Someone will always come along who has a different opinion then you. :)
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nightborn
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11. March 2005 @ 17:47 |
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You are right, everyone does have thier own opinion, and I was just stating mine. I never said it was better than anyone elses. Its true, that different discs are good for different ppl, but that does not change the fact that buying online is not as safe as you never can actually "see" what you are getting untill you get it. True there are some trusted places that you may deal with on a regular basis, but non experienced shoppers are always at more risk buying online, regardless of what any of you say!! :P
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11. March 2005 @ 18:02 |
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the fact that buying online is not as safe as you never can actually "see" what you are getting untill you get it.
and you can actually tell what you are getting in the store? How is that may I ask? If anything that is even more of a crap shoot.. Lets take the Fuji's you so proudly mention for instance you could get TY's, MCC, RichoJapan, PRODISC, or FujiFilm .... So your logic is a little flawed if I may say so myself. All thousand and something of DVD media I have bought online is exactly what I was told I was getting.. and belive me that idiot working at Best Buy or where ever wont have a clue when someone asks him "hey do you know who manufacures these TDK disk" they are going to look at you and say "TDK of course" LMAO :-)
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nightborn
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11. March 2005 @ 18:09 |
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haha no, I agree about the idiots at bestbuy. All I am saying is, ok, well to use your example, all those brands you mentioned under Fuji are good quality, you may not know the exact brand you are getting (well you pretty much do if its made in Japan, every one I have ever purchased is Yuden) .. so yeah, you do know what you are getting, but if not, you do know you are buying Fuji because the package is in your hand, and regardless who made it, its decent quality. errmm anyways ... there are alot of online crooks who will say you are buying one thing, but ship you another. You may have had good experiences, but not everyone else has.
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dlc2000
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11. March 2005 @ 18:38 |
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you will have no way of knowing what you are buying until you get them home and check the id code for most brands except for the fuji's made in japan . media varies that much , so i think it is not any safer to buy at a local store if the fuji's are the only media you can be sure about .
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11. March 2005 @ 22:12 |
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I have to take this opportunity to disagree with BBmayo. LOL
Fuji, 4X +R, RICOHJPN
Fuji, 8X +R, Taiyo Yuden
" , 4X -R, Prodisc and Pioneer
" , 2X -RW, Mitsubishi
" , 2X +RW, RICOHJPN
Seems from that list I can spot my favorite Ricoh media and the TY. I consider those both to be excellent media. MCC is top rated as is the Pioneer. Some people have good words for Prodisc, I've not used it, so I don't know personally.
The worst media purchase I ever made was at a local shop. Memorex had just switched from supplying Ricoh as the 4X +R offering to the CMC. Didn't know it until I got it home.
TDK:
4X -R TY
4X +R Ricoh
8X -R TDK
8X +R TDK and Ricoh
Since I don't use printable discs, I don't care whose label is there as long as it is one of the "known" brands and not a "no name" knockoff/ripoff.
Maxell:
4X +R, TY (white inkjet printables) and Ricoh
4X -R, Hitachi Maxell, and MCC (Metal AZO dye)
Verbatim DATALIFE Plus with the Metal AZO dye is either TY or MCC, both good media; or one could get Ricoh (not metal azo). Personally, I rate Ricoh with the TY and MCC.
I'm not going to reprint a database, but I think by now you should be getting the picture. If you know what you're looking for, you can buy it at the store or on the net. Since the sales are more easily found on the net, I do most of my bulk purchases there; often with companies that also have stores with walls. Best buy has BestBuy.com. Even on the net, as with local shops, buy from a reputable dealer that offers a good guarantee and return policy. I find buying reputatble brands to be sufficient to ensure good quality. All the manufacturers can turn out a bad batch. If it was all perfect, there would be no need for guarantees.
Since the vast majority of people don't know that manufacturers provide the same media for different brands and some of the top brands sell the same manufacturer's media (sometimes at drastically different prices), I don't think I want to call them all idiots. They're just uninformed. As far as manufacturer-brand cross referencing, I doubt the suppliers could tell the stores what they're getting. So, I don't blame the poor sales person at the store. So, if those people are idiots, then it takes an idiot to ask an idiot an idiotic question.
Buying media is one of the worst crapshoots a consumer can take; even when supplied with some relevant info; brands have a habit of changing manufacturers. TY media, there's a lot of fakes. Ritek, they're changing dyes and Ritek started selling Ritek for the 4X +R Ritek-Ridata media; used to be the +R Ridata was Ricoh. Ricoh selling Ricoh is about the only brand I'm close to being sure of today. I'm willing to take a calculated bet on the others I listed and others I know about that aren't. I'm looking at a good buy on some Philips-RICOHJPN media.
I like my quality media, even better at bargain prices. Right BB? LOL
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fishbulb
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11. March 2005 @ 22:35 |
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brobear, regarding your maxell id's, i've had some maxell DVD-R 4x that had TYG01 code. last 2 or 3 i bought were the MXLRG02.
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nightborn
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12. March 2005 @ 03:30 |
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dlc2000, what about Maxell? I have not bought any myself, but heard you can be just as safe buying those.
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madgreek
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12. March 2005 @ 04:04 |
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Buying media is a crap shoot. The best advice I can give. Burn it slow...usually a step lower then what is rated. Keep the media stored in a cool place. Don't throw it around or drop it. Play it in a good dvd player. Keep it in a nice case. Don't scratch it. Simple things will keep your media around for years.
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nightborn
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12. March 2005 @ 04:22 |
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I have to agree with the burning at slower speeds thing. I used to burn my music CDs at high speed, always had little glitches, second dropouts and stuff, so I started burning them slower, been flawless ever since.
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madgreek
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12. March 2005 @ 04:24 |
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I would never burn a dvd faster then 4x...no matter if the media is rated 16x i always have problems. Slow is better
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dlc2000
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12. March 2005 @ 05:36 |
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i have not used any maxell either . i do see the 8x models are on the list of compatitable media for my burner now but 4x ones are still not listed . most burner manufactures have a list of compatitable media on their website . i might have to try some of the maxell to see if they will work in my ps2 . the -r's ones anyhow as my ps2 will not play the +r's .
i agree brobear that buying media is a crapshoot . i have read posts with some members here at afterdawn that say they have found more than one media code in the same spindle of blank dvd's . i have yet to see this myself but it tells me that media varies widely if this is happening . i mainly use fuji films for most of my backups as you already know . i also use regular taiyo yudens . i recently started backing away from some of the media i used before as they are being made cmc now , like imation for example now has the cmc code now . in my opinion cmc manufactured dvd's are landfill material and i have had very bad luck with them .
what works for one does not work for all as we all have different setups with different software . one brand of media will not cover everyone's needs . nor will 2 fuji and maxell . i have used quite a few different brands of media in the last 3 years and found that buying at my local bestbuy isnt any safer than buying online . as brobear found out with the tdk's and i found out with some imation's . in a lot of cases you just dont know what you are buying until you get them home , regardless if they were bought at bestbuy or online . its a crap shoot and neither is safer than the other .
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12. March 2005 @ 05:41 |
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I have to take this opportunity to disagree with BBmayo. LOL
Now you know I couldnt let that stand right?? LOL ;-)
I wasnt saying Fuji is bad at all in fact it is the opposite in my opinion, The point I was trying to stress was not really knowing who manufactures the media bought in the stores...Thats all :-)
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madgreek
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12. March 2005 @ 05:46 |
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The problem with media is what you are paying for, that name brand is not usually what you get. TDK can be buying disks from whoever. I would love to be loyal to one brand, but we can't in this day in age. I try just about anything at this point. In a way I am very lucky. My JVC player will play anything for some reason. That is also another thing, you are completely at the mercy of what your dvd player will play and not play.
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Balaam
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12. March 2005 @ 06:10 |
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Just to throw a different perspective about fuji in there, my first couple 25 pks of 2x +rw ricojpn gave me a success rate of only about 70-80%. Which sucks. Worst of all about 50% of the good burns started crapping out after about 6-7 months. I've since put fujifilm on the list of media I will not buy.
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All the manufacturers can turn out a bad batch.
The day I get a bad batch of premium TY media is the day I stop burning.
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I would never burn a dvd faster then 4x
Just to be a contrarian, I've tested about 200 "premium" TYG02 and "value" TYG01, burning at twice the official rated speed but at the highest available speed, and there wasn't one red sector. Just more evidence that tells me that nothing compares to TY media.
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madgreek
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12. March 2005 @ 06:13 |
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Just curious...how many of those dvd's did you watch to see how what the picture quality is? Do they skip? Ghosting? Tiling?
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Balaam
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12. March 2005 @ 06:24 |
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I, or one of my family or friends, depending on what I burned, have watched them all. Pristine. All of them. I get that most media won't perform this way, or people's setups will conspire against them in this regard(even though my setup is nothing special). Still, I have to chuckle when people say that other media is as good as premium TY, but they only burn at 2x or 4x, when the disks are rated for 4x or 8x, respectively. :)
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madgreek
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12. March 2005 @ 06:38 |
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Just curious. What dvd player are you using? What type of burner are you using?
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12. March 2005 @ 06:44 |
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MXL is Hitachi Maxell. From what you say, I see they're still making some of their own 4X -R media. The database I was looking at isn't all inclusive and brands do change suppliers for different formats in their line, as mentioned. But, it isn't any secret that Taiyo Yuden (TY or Yuden) makes a lot of Maxell media. Thanks for reminding us.
@BBmayo
It was a joke son... a joke I say... a joke. Sounds of Foghorn Leghorn. LOL I was yanking your chain son... yanking your chain... the chain I say. ;) We were actually making the same point to a certain extent. The problem of not knowing who made your media today is pervasive wherever the media is purchased; in a store or over the net. These media discussions usually get vicious. I'm glad my burner likes anything that is well made. Ricohs, TYs, MCCs, and Sonys (plus others) under different name brands work well with my burner. It likes + and -, though I usually give it the + since my players seem to like them. I wonder how many people's burners only use one brand due to the placebo effect? ;)
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as brobear found out with the tdk's and i found out with some imation's
The CMC I accidentally purchased was Memorex. By the way, CMC makes media for Imation and Verbatim. If one included the RW media, the list would be longer.
BB, did you know that if you keep your backup disks stored in a case, upright, in a dark cool place and not play them, that they will last longer? Also, if you don't burn the R media, the video content won't go bad? heh, heh, heh ;)
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Balaam
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12. March 2005 @ 06:55 |
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Just curious. What dvd player are you using? What type of burner are you using?
My friends and I either watch them on my or one of their PS2's, or my philips DVP642. With my family its whatever they have, my mom has a vcr/dvd combo, magnavox I think. Not sure what brand my sisters dvd player is. my burner is a nec3500.
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madgreek
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12. March 2005 @ 07:02 |
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Well honestly. The Philips dvd player you have is the best for dvd backups. There is no question on that. I wonder how they play on no names
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Balaam
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12. March 2005 @ 07:15 |
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You're kinda reaching here. :)
lol, PS2's are worse then crappiest, noname dvd players you could find. If they play in them, they'll play in anything.
Besides, TY's have some of the highest compatability in the business, and if you really wanna nitpick, since the backups I've made at highspeeds were confirmed by dvdinfopro to be identical to the ISO/directory they were created from, I feel pretty confident they'd play in anything one could try them on.
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