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madgreek
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12. March 2005 @ 07:17 |
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No need to get testy. Just a man with a curiosity. That is all.
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Balaam
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12. March 2005 @ 07:23 |
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The smile I started out my post with communicated testiness to you? :)
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:-)
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12. March 2005 @ 07:36 |
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Taiyo Yuden is good media. However, it is a matter of opinion as to which media is the best. I've run the DVDInfoPro tests and the Nero CD/DVD Speed tests for quality. No sector errors on the RICOHJPN or the YUDEN media. (In +R the code for Taiyo Yuden is YUDEN and -R it is TY.) I ran some tests on media I sampled randomly from discs I've recorded. RICOHJPNR01 and YUDEN000T02. That is 4X +R Ricoh and 8X +R Taiyo Yuden. No sector errors at all for either media. Past tests have shown other manufacturers media to be as good. Mitsubishi (MCC) is a manufacturer that readily comes to mind. Some of the discs are over a year old and there is no degrading of the video and audio quality.
Going to a site like Video Help ( http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia.php?dvdmediasearch=&dvdmediadvdridsearch=TYG02&type=6&size=All&dvdburnspeed=All&order=Name&hits=25&search=Search+or+List+Media ) , a person can check reviews of the top media. There you'll see people don't think more highly of TY than Ricoh or MCC, or vice versa. When you're talking about top quality media, there is more than one top manufacturer and often it is just a matter of choice and not which is actually the best.
There are many variables involved in doing DVD recordings. Sometimes those come into play to affect the bias toward a particular media. Sometimes it is just a personal preference, sometimes referred to as the "placebo effect" because a person just has it in their mind something is better with no corroborating evidence. I mean collective evidence, not just what an individual compiles to support their own point of view.
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I agree brobear. You are right on the money
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SPECIAL NOTICE!!!!Please take notice!!!!!
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12. March 2005 @ 14:27 |
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I'm with you Balaam :-)
I burn all my TY's at x8 or higher and everyone is perfect!! I even lend them out to 10-20 buddies and they have never had a problem playing any of them... I was arguing this point on another thread about how fast to burn http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/1/168586#883688 and I stated if you have the right media (Taiyo Yudens) then you can safely burn at their reccomended speed... Some people didnt like that oh well we all have are opinions..
Brobear... Just a little LOL to ya... Man your crazy :-)
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Balaam
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12. March 2005 @ 16:19 |
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"placebo effect"
@brobear,
If you knew me, you'd know I don't waste time on placebos. =)
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@Balaam
Curious as to why you would want to respond to that particular statement. I don't need to know you. When a person thinks they've found the "perfect" media and no others can possibly be as good; then yes, I would say the "placebo effect" comes into play.
TY may be the real thing, but it isn't the only good DVDR media on the market. Also, I wouldn't buy CMC. So, there are things we agree on. I just don't limit myself to one particular recording media. I suspect you also know there are other good media besides TY. If not, then you would be too close minded to be offering advice on a forum.
I can easily think of 5 or 6 top manufacturers that I wouldn't mind using their media. If I reviewed the list, there would be more. From those, I have about 3 or 4 favorites. Those favorites come about from personal experience and not bad results from the others. So, it's best not to limit oneself and keep an eye open for something else as good or better. I'm not saying to try everything, if you find something that works, stick with it until something as good or better comes along. I try to keep that attitude with media, software, and hardware when it comes to DVD recording. Things change and I don't want to be held hostage by a "placebo effect". ;)
BBmayo and Balaam,
On high speed burning. No one should say you can't burn at high speed. To prove your points, you will probably continue to do so. But, if I had an older burner, I sure wouldn't run out to buy a new one just because a few minutes can be gained on a burn. (Some people have to have all the new toys.)
Problems can arise from equipment, media, and/or software. Errors have been shown to increase with higher write speeds. In many cases the minor errors aren't even apparent. (Players are very forgiving, otherwise rental companies would go out of business with those "beat up" discs. The kids and pets could break a person up.) At some point however, errors will start creeping in and become visible; i.e. a slight jerk or a jump, often not even noticed. The point many make is that with the increased "possibility" of errors, it may be more prudent to burn at the lower speeds. So, even though I may be able to burn media at faster speeds, and probably not have many problems if I use the better media and equipment and a good source; I'll just stick to the slower burns. I'm not thinking of the few minutes I'll save on the burn, but the "possibility" of the time I might waste that is tied up in the ripping and transcoding if the burn fails. One can hedge the bet by ripping to the hard drive, but then that is taking away from the few minutes saved by doing the faster burn. Me? I like burning about 4X and using HD files. I like the extra feeling of security. I guess one could say the "placebo effect". LOL Personally, I like to think of it as being prudent. ;)
So, "smoke 'em if you got 'em", just don't expect everyone to have the same success rates. Equipment? Media? Software? User input? ;) Don't misunderstand my words either. Speed is a relative thing. Media and equipment have improved, so I'm not saying 4X is the absolute limit. At one point we had those saying 2X should be the max when the 4X came along. If the equipment and media will handle it, I see no problem with burns up to 8X. I still think 12 and 16X may be pushing things a bit for now (besides, 4 and 8X media are the common product available to the consumer for now). One can tell if their own system will handle it okay. Luckily all one will be out is a little time and some change for the cost of a DVD5R. I don't think I'd experiment too much with DL media. If you start to see the video breaking up, then it's time to slow down.
Now where did I put that PX 716 AL? I wish... LOL
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The mods usually show up when the mob breaks out the stakes and torches. So, don't worry... yet. Keep the trusty steed ready though, you never know when you may need to ride for help. ;)
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Balaam
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13. March 2005 @ 05:24 |
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@brobear,
Well, my response to your first longwinded monologue was a joke. You know, haha, I only use real drugs, not placebos. Typed while roling my eyes at your post. I was trying to end it there, but since you feel the need to continue it, I guess I'll respond. So...
LOL, well, you must have nobody to listen to you in your real life, cause one little post, and you just go on and on and on and on. I hope you aren't under the impression that anything you've written in your last couple posts is news to me. You're just regurgitating things that have been posted thousands of times, including by myself, and you and dozens of others, here at AD. Maybe some newbies who come along and read this will get some benifit out of your long winded monologue, but if you're just responding to me or bbmayo, save your fingers.
LOL, "Placebo effect", come on man, get over yourself. We all do things the way we want to do them. If you have only good experiences doing something one way, theres not a whole lot of reason to change.
All you've just said is that you prefer to use several different media manufacturers and burn slowly. Good for you, thats your preference. But there's nothing authoritative about it.
My preference is to only buy Taiyo Yuden, and burn at 8x. There's nothing authoritative about that either. But I also didn't write a thesis paper on it. :-)
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I regret to see you sink to such juvenile behavior. My posts are not much longer than yours. This one probably will be. If I have better keyboarding/typing skills, it should be no bother to anyone. Quote:
You know, haha, I only use real drugs, not placebos.
You may have thought it funny, but it was of no relevance (just makes one wonder what you're on today). My usage of the phrase "placebo effect" was only to point out certain behavior, not to be full of myself. Your response can make people wonder about you though.
It appears you only saw something you thought applied to you and went off on a rant with your own useless diatribe. If someone doesn't agree with you wholeheartedly, then they must be attacked and belittled. I guess you are too closed-minded to be of any good to anyone other than someone who wants to follow you. I guess with you it's "my way or the highway".
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Maybe some newbies who come along and read this will get some benifit out of your long winded monologue, but if you're just responding to me or bbmayo, save your fingers.
Actually I find BBmayo to be a reasonable person and quite useful to the forum. Seems you want to misconstrue my words for your own purposes. My main intent and I hope the Newbies and everyone else get it: "Don't close yourself off to the various possibilities available. If one does so, they become hostage to their own bias."
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If you have only good experiences doing something one way, theres not a whole lot of reason to change.
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I'm not saying to try everything, if you find something that works, stick with it until something as good or better comes along.
...I'm not saying 4X is the absolute limit... If the equipment and media will handle it, I see no problem with burns up to 8X...
So? I was pointing out the "possibilities" and your point was useless; except that in the context used you were trying to point out I made an inference when I didn't. The point was that one "should" stick with what works, but be opened-minded enough to see there can be as good or better things available and not to close oneself off.
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All you've just said is that you prefer to use several different media manufacturers and burn slowly.
Actually, if your reading skills were anywhere near as developed as your verbal ones, you'd realize I said much more. I wasn't trying to be an authority. I leave that to people like you. I was pointing out what the general train of thought on the topic of media and burning is. I only added my personal preference to show I'd rather take a few minutes extra. I didn't say another person doesn't have the right to do it as they please. My words were Quote:
No one should say you can't burn at high speed... "smoke 'em if you got 'em"... I see no problem with burns up to 8X... TY may be the real thing, but it isn't the only good DVDR media on the market... I can easily think of 5 or 6 top manufacturers that I wouldn't mind using their media.
Point being that I prefer the novices know there are more than just one close minded person's way of doing things. I was saying burn at the speed you find comfortable with a quality media and there is more than one. You were going 8X, Taiyo Yuden rampant. Why not 16X?
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My preference is to only buy Taiyo Yuden, and burn at 8x. There's nothing authoritative about that either. But I also didn't write a thesis paper on it.
I'm glad you pointed out that you aren't an authority, though I doubt you meant it. Otherwise, why the lengthy diatribe on trying to prove your point and making a personal attack on me? You didn't write a thesis, but it was long enough to show your close minded bias.
The short version: Stop being so asinine and biased to one media, one burn speed, and one point of view (your own). Get over yourself.
P.S. Don't worry about my keyboarding skills, though a bit long, much of this post was cut and paste. I'd say BBmayo probably caught the joke as well.
"Now where did I put that PX 716 AL? I wish... LOL"
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13. March 2005 @ 09:39 |
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booboo, you can be self-righteous, or you can follow in kind. You can't do both. Your post shows your true colors, no matter what you'd like to think about yourself.
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Stop being so asinine and biased to one media, one burn speed, and one point of view (your own).
If it works flawlessly, for me and so many other people, why the hell should I not be biased towards it? And how is that bias asinine?
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My main intent and I hope the Newbies and everyone else get it: "Don't close yourself off to the various possibilities available. If one does so, they become hostage to their own bias."
As I pointed out, there is nothing wrong with TY media or burning at 8X if the circumstances permit. You should learn to read. In your inimitable asinine manner, you make it obvious you think your way is the only right way. Your thinking and saying TY works flawlessly and burning at 8X is not asinine. If that were the case, I'd have to say the same about myself. After all, I agreed with you and BBmayo there. I only stated a personal preference for a slower way of doing things and realizing there is more than one good media. Neither can be considered wrong 4X or 8X burning, only if you have problems at faster speeds (and some people do). I also said one should slow down if the video starts to break up. So as far as doing things, there was no dispute.
Your attitude and petty personal attack was what is asinine. The bias is obvious, if someone says there is another way of doing things, you take it as an affront and feel the need to attack. If you'd taken the time to read and not take things so personally, I was simply saying to be open-minded. If you want to continue your attack, it will only reenforce what I've pointed out about you.
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13. March 2005 @ 11:45 |
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Well, since you think I have a problem reading, I want you to go back in this thread and find where exactly I said that there is only one way of doing things. The only thing I said that could possibly be interpreted that way is where I said that I chuckle when people say that other media is as good as TY, but they don't dare burn faster then 4x. If I can burn at 8x, and the burns are flawless in every possible way a burn can be flawless, then I can't see how someone could possibly interpret my statements about media quality as being out of line.
And actually, you started the personal attacks by your passive aggressive statement that I was opperating under some 'placebo effect', as if that means anything when it comes to consumer electronic goods. A person should be openminded about politics, world views, people. When it comes to electronics, experimentation only leads to wasted time and money. Go for quality, and stick with it. Not once have I ever said that other disks won't work. What I did say was that if I have to be wary of burning other media at 8x, but can do it flawlessly with TY, then why would I use anything else.
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Don't close yourself off to the various possibilities available. If one does so, they become hostage to their own bias
Jeez dude that has to be the most meaningless phrase you could possible throw out there in regards what I was saying. What kind of idiot wouldn't be biased towards something that works flawlessly for them. LOL
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I only have one thing to say.. :-) You all leave my name out of it I am not gettin involved in this one, and yes Brobear I got it, but I don't belive Baalam did?
Stuff happens sometimes, but I love everyone here :-) We all have are own opinions.... I stated mine and left it at that :-)
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BBMAYO- Thank you for taking the high road and hello to all my friends old and new - peace to all
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bro bear - Peace my brother don't let tem get to you . people need to learn that this is not a fight room and i'm not talking about you here brobear or bbmayo either for that matter . you two along with everyone else I have dealt with personally or by reading their post have been extremely helpful and great to me and many others as well ! We all don't have to agree on everything but we should all agree to get along . Peace is like trying to catch the ocean in a paper cup and some people cup's are full those are the ones at peace with the themselves & others and then there are those left standing on the shore with an empty bucket waiting for the next wave - those are the ones not at peace ! I'm sorry to be so verbose - I just really don't want afterdawn to deteriorate into a fight room . To me this place is about friends helping friends and learning from one another - in closing to all my afterdawn friends bro'bear ,bbmayo ect.! peace and happiness to you all later fiends
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13. March 2005 @ 12:53 |
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Hey, I had dropped the whole issue with my post on 12. March 2005 @ 21:19. You can't blame me for keeping it going.
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BULL
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...attacks by your passive aggressive statement...
I hate to tell you this, those words definitely don't belong together. I think your real drugs are starting to get to you. You can have the last word though, I don't have a clue and you do. I believe the point has already been made.
BB... you're a gentleman and a scholar.
BIGTOXY69... thanks for the call to sanity. These flamers are silly and I should know better by now. A person can't express a point of view around some people . Those people have to be completely right and you are necessarily completely wrong in anything you say, even if you agree with them on most of what's being said. Peace and catch you later.
Hopefully the thread can get back to bad media experiences and we don't have to suffer more bad experiences here. Anybody found any more of the bad "stuff"?
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BRO'BEAR - agreed -PEACE!!!!
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BB... you're a gentleman and a scholar
Hey I regret that remark!!! I'm no gentleman and deffinatley ain't no scholar!!! LOL :-)
You all behaive now Peace :-)
By the way I just have to say the forum wouldn't be the same if we didn't have a few of these heated disscussion's once and a while (as long as no one gets hurt) I for one enjoy reading them :-) It can tell you a lot about a person if you get my point.. Anyway you all be good now you hear..
Later :-)
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Would you have preferred I say you were uncouth and a moron? LOL I can always take back what I said. ;)
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uncouth and a moron
Someone call me?
For reference Brobear has some long posts because he is thorough. Balaam, he isn't picking on you. If the Pope made statements like you did he would have still taken issue.
Media seems to be such a contested issue. I side with Brobear on this one.
Use what works for you but keep an open mind. Things change.
If Balaam is true to his word then he will cease all burning when he gets that inevitable first batch of TYs that are bad or conterfeit.
I personally will continue on as always even if something goes wrong with my favorite media.
I have a 100% succes rate at 8x burning with Ritek.
For that matter Prodisc 4x haven't failed at 8x. It Doesn't mean that I recomend it as a general rule.
15 minutes is plenty fast for me to burn a movie onto a disc. It isn't like I have to hover over my computer during the process.
Donald
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