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Which Transcoding Tools Produce The Best Picture Quality.
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siber
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11. August 2004 @ 19:52 |
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Hi, Sophocles, bigo,... Yes, I've been following the RB/CCE threads faithfully. I really am extremely happy with what the basic program does for me.
Even though I may one day need all these other features (batch, etc), I haven't played with them. I don't really have any use for them now.
Very interesting stuff, though. Thanks for all the efforts. I'll keep popping up here and there.
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12. August 2004 @ 19:43 |
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bigo
soph, we must admit we have a problem.
Hmm! Yes! Finding more software to spend our money on is getting harder to find. With a hurricane coming who needs restraint.
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marshallp
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14. August 2004 @ 19:32 |
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i've been testing differents kinds of soft and i reach the conclussion that dvdshrink 3.2 is very good in quality matters. It's a pitty that dvdcopy from intervideo in version 2 has a bug on the vobtrans.dll that make in some movies appear white blocks, besides that is very good. I personaly use elby clone dvd2, is one of the best to preview what you really want and the quality is more the less as good as dvdshrink 3.2, not the older that pixelate a lot the movies.
Is my opinion, what guys think?
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14. August 2004 @ 20:31 |
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While everyone here has an eye out for future programs, the quality issue has been proven in favor of CCE encoding based programs like DVDrebuilder.
DVD clone is pretty far down the list for video quality but DVDshrink 3.2 has done pretty well for competing for second or third place.
IC8,IV dvdcopy2, and DVD2One are also high quality transcoders fighting for 2nd place.
Try DVDrebuilder. You can't beat the quality and the setup doesn't cost that much.
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14. August 2004 @ 23:46 |
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marshallp, all who have tried RB/CCE (well, 99%) proclaim it no. 1 period. The argument starts after that. Shrink 3.2 is vastly improved and price is untouchable (I was a beta tester for the new shrink, and have tested it at compressions from 90% to 50% quite extensively).
It is a shame about DVDCopy 2's pixelation problem altho if you use it on newer movies it doesn't seem to have them, only on the older ones. It's speed is fantastic, considering the quality, 30-45 minutes! Unreal!
I still think IC 8 is right behind RB/CCE except it's editing capabilities are severly lacking, I get around that using DVDRemake, the best editing program I've seen and it works extremely well with rebuilder which has no editing.
This argument will never be settled as proved by this very thread, way too subjective in nature, but these are my top 3.
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ddlooping
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15. August 2004 @ 01:50 |
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bigorange, what were the results of your extensive DVD Shrink tests, at 90% to 50% ratios?
Did you do a direct quality-comparison including the original and other transcoders (and DVD RB/CCE)?
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MackemX
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15. August 2004 @ 04:38 |
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Has anyone tried the new version of Recode now with a Higher Quality (oooooooooooooo) setting and been satisfied with it when comparing it to other programs?
I have but I don't like sharing my opinion of quality. Let's just say I have very high standards when I 'test' ;)
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15. August 2004 @ 04:53 |
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MackemX
No, I just installed it yesterday and haven't got around to taking it for a spin. In fact I haven?t been using anything other than RB/CCE with batch processing. I?ll give it go perhaps later today.
To be fair, I've never really been a recode fan, or at least so far.
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MackemX
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15. August 2004 @ 05:39 |
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one of the main factors regarding quality is that it's still all down to the individual at the end of the day isn't it? as to what perception of their acceptable quality level is
To someone who is using CCE for the reason it gives better quality in their eyes probably isn't going to change their mind to change to Recode so I don't really see you changing you mind Sophocles seeing as you were never a Recode fan to begin with. Whereas someone using some other transcoder with poorer quality than CCE may like the quality increase and change their opinions :)
as well as doing the time consuming DVD 1:1 backup comparision when comparing, I just use reauthor in DVDShrink with no compression. I select whichever titles I want, cropping segments I want to reduce to test that I think will show any weaknesses
I stick the miniDVD's through Recode and DVDShrink at various levels and settings and then compare the results including long distance to extreme closeup comparisions :)
the point of all this blabbering on?, make your own comparisions and use whatever's easier on your own eyes in your opinion. No matter what anyone could say anywhere in a forum, there is no way I would change my opinion of the tools and the quality of the output they give without testing it for myself. If you are serious about quality then you would probably think the same way
if you had a choice of getting any brand of car then you wouldn't buy a car after reading a review without test driving it would you?. You may have a short list of cars but you would still want to test them for yourself. If it was a 'free' car then would it affect your 'quality' opinion of the other cars? because it shouldn't. Something doesn't suddenly suffer from quality loss because you have to pay for it but it does create 'fog gog's' for some
as long as you are happy with your backups then I'm happy :D
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15. August 2004 @ 06:42 |
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MackemX
I agree that many of us are ruled by our individual choices and often to the point of subjectivity. Some people are saying that DVD Shrink 3.2 surpasses IC8 and CCE, I couldn?t support that. Personal opinions aren?t likely to be changed as a result of a debate or argument afore or against an application. If the new Nero recode is that much better than the previous version then I would give it a try on movies requiring minimal compression, I haven?t yet closed the door on experimentation. I?m curious, what do you use?
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MackemX
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15. August 2004 @ 07:34 |
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you have a good point there :)
People also have ideas of which tool to use for whatever compression is required as why go through all the fuss of using CCE etc when it only needs 95% compression as there is very little chance you will notice any difference during normal playback
you see endless posts of if it's xx% or less I use such and such a tool and there isn't a pattern at all as again it's all down to the individual as to what level they will change tools :)
I use nothing as I don't backup DVD's, I gave that up ages ago :D but I do like to keep in touch with things. I normally experiment doing non-normal things with normal tools as I like trying out new methods and tools to see if I can discover any hidden abilities. My latest tricks are the ability to cripple most transcoding programs yet leave the DVD playable so I actually working in reverse at the minute :D
Who knows I may just jump back on the DVD backup boat again one day but I don't see it just yet but I can't walk away from it either
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15. August 2004 @ 08:54 |
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MackemX did some nice work on getting to the bottom of a "new Copy protection" scheme going on in Region 2. From my understanding, the way it works is that there are navigation commands that involve intentionally bad sectors. A DVD player reads over these as a matter of course, but rippers have a problem on a bit by bit basis. This was my understanding, anyway. Also, Remake Pro offers a workaround.
This is the thread where MackemX is dealing with the copy protection. While this is a little off-topic for this thread, it has significance to all of us in that all us us must use some form of ripper, and this new scheme seems to confound a few of them.
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=994185#994185
Also, lets hope MackemX doesn't go to work for one of the studios, or we would never be able to back up our DVD's!!!
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15. August 2004 @ 09:09 |
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Who knows I may just jump back on the DVD backup boat again one day but I don't see it just yet but I can't walk away from it either.
I sometimes wonder how much longer I?ll continue pushing forward. I remember when DiVx and Xvid were top of the latter unless you absolutely had to have a DVD compliant format then it was VCD or SVCD even though you had to spread SVCD?s across 3 to 5 CDR?s. Like many I resolved the issue by building a DiVx player out of PC parts instead. Still 6 or 7 years later here I am still slugging away at it and I spend more time backing up movies than actually do watching them.
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15. August 2004 @ 09:12 |
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15. August 2004 @ 09:23 |
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15. August 2004 @ 09:28 |
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15. August 2004 @ 09:31 |
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Done it before myself. LOL
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15. August 2004 @ 09:33 |
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@ Sophocles. Thanks. I didn't want to derail this thread, but like I said, I thought that the info was particularly relevant (to the group following this thread).
@Machem...
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People also have ideas of which tool to use for whatever compression is required as why go through all the fuss of using CCE etc when it only needs 95% compression as there is very little chance you will notice any difference during normal playback
I recently learned how to use the Batch Processing feature of DVD-Rebuilder. After "Remaking", all the movies go to DVD-RB/CCE for the night. I know that this may not make sense to some if a movie only needs something like 10% compression, but it is actually more time-efficient for me. And quality is guaranteed.
While you don't backup at present, I would still be curious at this point how you would rate the new Recode with the other transcoders? And, how would you say it compares to CCE now?
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15. August 2004 @ 09:40 |
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This thread is long past being derailed by anyone because it seems of have life of its own. I wonder how many posts a single thread can handle before it reaches its limit. What's interesting is that original question may still be waiting for an answer.
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15. August 2004 @ 09:45 |
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Preferences certainly play a part, but the fact that developers continually improve on previous versions make the answer a moving target. This thread may experience the longest life of any at AD!!!
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15. August 2004 @ 09:51 |
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Strong points. I thought that dual layer would take this thread and transcoders down. At one point when we were being bothered by S-Y-K-E-S I asked Praetor to cancel it and he did, for a day and then he brought it back.
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15. August 2004 @ 10:00 |
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Well, I've been wanting to discuss dual layer (just a little bit).
In marketing terms, my "price point" would be $3.00. That is what I would pay for a dual layer blank, and thus stop using tools for compression. I think it may be awhile before we see this, but prices will likely continue to come down.
I'm wondering at what point others would switch, and what would play into the decision? I might use it for the longer epics, but CCE quality is very good on a DVD-5.
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15. August 2004 @ 10:17 |
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My thinking is about the same and I'll take it even further to say $1.50 each, I'm paying less than $.50 each for single layer. My concern is that dual layer may not have a good shelf life. What happens if one layer goes before the other or if it becomes unreadable period?
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15. August 2004 @ 10:24 |
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In marketing terms, my "price point" would be $3.00. That is what I would pay for a dual layer blank, and thus stop using tools for compression
I must admit over the last few weeks I have tinkered with the idea of adopting Dual layer, but I keep coming back to the same old conclusions. IE The vast majority of DVD movies, at present to my eyes, can be backed up superbly onto single layer DVD-r. I would use it on only a few movies in my collection. Also i think to myself, where would the challenge lye?..and what about the elimination of the "fun factor", and what the hell would we all talk about on AD?
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15. August 2004 @ 10:26 |
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@ Sophocles. ...Interesting. I was wondering about shelf life also, especially with a new technology. I'm not apt to invest too heavily until I hear reports from others a few years down the line.
The reason I mentioned using dl for epics is that the normal movie doesn't require a lot of compression, anyway. More and more I'm seeing the DVD-9's filled up with previews crap like the old VHS's were. And RMP makes nice work of these. My average encode involves about 6 GB, which isn't a lot of compression.
Also, I can't see paying the extra $'s to record this preview stuff.
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