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zelda64
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30. December 2005 @ 19:45 |
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Ok. Just read the first bit and already its biased coming from Richard Huddy, European Developers Relations Manager for ATI.
Sorry for posting this, I just thought becuase its on a PS3 site it wouldnt be biased as such towards PS3. Unfortunatly becuase of being in a rush for work I didnt notice. What he says shouldnt be considered because of the source.
Also just want to add that I dont like Final Fantasy but I do really like the music. My brother download the music and I have it playing now. Its quite good.
Regardless of Resons? observation's no one can comment on wherether the 360's xbox live or PS3's internet play is better becuase Sony havent shown us anything on thier online facilities yet.
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zelda64
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30. December 2005 @ 20:03 |
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Kookoo, I have somthing here I would like for you to read.
Before I give you the link I just want to point out that it is from a website called xboxtoday which is bad, I know. But they gave 5 reasons to wait for the PS3 which I find it a bit confusing on an xbox site. The part I want you to read is that they said they had a vistor come to them and explain that his former workmate is currently working on both consoles and gives his views.
Your more technologicaly minded than me.
Could you please read it and get back to me on what you think its saying exactly.
Here is the link http://www.xboxtoday.ca/12292005/18/a_detailed_comparison_of_the_...
Thanx Kookoo. Just want to point out that this link is for Kookoo to read and not for a negative again'st PS3.
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KoOkOo67
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30. December 2005 @ 20:35 |
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Dude is it in the Comments or actual article? If so, can you give me the name of the comment? I'm very tired today, and i just kinda skimmed it. One thing i noticed is an idiot who said. "each of the cells spe's can run 2 threads" This really anoys me because he has no clue what he is talking about.
Anyways, yea zleda ive me the name of the comment, ill read the article all over again right now.
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KoOkOo67
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30. December 2005 @ 20:40 |
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OOOOOOO never mind i found it, didnt relize theres a page two, ill get back to you on it.
Alright, he is technically right about what he has said. (exp for the GPU part, he seemed to not talk about that at all.)
The PAU, the cell's vector, has a different code than the SPE, which is why the games will be a "pain" to develope for the ps3. (As i said on the other post, the xbox360 is more user friendly in almost every way) The other 8 vectors are SPU's. In order for game developers to make the Spu's understand the Pau's code, they have to constantly change the codes to make them work. (Which is a pain) But at the end, when they got the SPE's to understand the PAU's instruction, The SPU's will work the way their suppose to work.
So technically he is right about the CPU's. As i agree with him lol. (exept that he tends to be more on the cells side, or is that just me) He didnt include a conclusion, which throws me off, and probably throws you off to.
And to some comments on the page, (the fanboy ones) saying oh the 6threaded 360 will pwn the ps3 cell.
Technically, they got no clue what tehy are talking about. Neither does the guy who said the 2 threads per SPE.
The 360 cpu is a combined 3 cored processor.(compairing to the 1cored cell) BUT, each of these cores are weak. Weaker than an intells Core, or Amd 64's cores or w.e. So take the cell. It is a supercomputer LIKE(notice i do not say it is a super computer) Core\processor. It got 8 SPE's powering the Core. And each SPE is 3.2ghz.
Now in compairison,
3 weak cores vs 1 super core
360-1core and two threads.
Now the e3 presentation didnt conclude how many threads the "super core" has. But it probably is more than 4, but less than 6.
In conclusion
360 better CPU
ps3 better graphics.
But both are pretty equil, and i bet you all noone will EVER see performance differences, or graphic differences between the two systems.
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zelda64
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30. December 2005 @ 20:47 |
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OK. One thing I want to point out is that he is a game developer with both Dev kits so I think he has a good idea of the performance on both. But we will have to see.
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liljohn
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30. December 2005 @ 21:07 |
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hey guys how much is the 360 games in the u.s is it around $50s? or is it $80s? and about how much $ u have 2 pay each month to play 360 live online
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30. December 2005 @ 21:33 |
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i wish things were all out so the arguing can become testing. you'r fights are rediculous. ride the line, and in 5 days, you'll be able to make a better choice. none of what anyone says is believable untill proven. as soon as the ps3 is releases at ces and further more commercially, then you can make accusations that stand true.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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zelda64
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30. December 2005 @ 21:43 |
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What like the accusations you make about PS3 being far better than 360 in nearly every aspect?
Quite weird for a person to say how good PS3 is compared to the 360 then say no one no nothining until Sony show PS3 at CES.
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KoOkOo67
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30. December 2005 @ 21:46 |
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Zelda, dont know if you have noticed it but i updated my post..... I didnt make a new one.
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zelda64
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30. December 2005 @ 22:02 |
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Just read it thanks for you view on it.
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KoOkOo67
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30. December 2005 @ 22:36 |
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uhh noproblem, i just want to give an other example of the cell, and why its a pain to make games for it.(well games will be easier made on the ps3 than the ps2.)
the Pau telling the Spe what to do is like
a person who only speaks french, communicating with a person (who only knows english).
Now say theres a person who speaks both languages. Him\her will be the tranlsator, and therefore, the two people can comunicate with eachoter.
Now, to relate it to the cell, the game developers will have to put in the tranlation for each code, in order for the Spe to follow the PAU's command.
understand what i am trying to say?
Zelda, im not saying that you didnt understand me the first time, so dont imply that. k?
Im just giving an example for those who didnt understand what i have posted before.
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30. December 2005 @ 23:45 |
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are you sure your right? i would ecpect the spe's to be made with the code imprint fron the core.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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074kev
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31. December 2005 @ 02:11 |
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I'm leaning more towards the PS3 lately. I may dump my Xbox 360 simply for the fact that Microsoft is banning references to God on xbox live. This is a very important issue to me. I had no idea until after I bought the console and games. I can't get my money back so I'm trading mine in for a PS3. I've asked them to change their policy, but they aren't interested. Bill Gates is well known for his anti-God stance and wanting God taken out of everything.
Besides, PS3 will offer 1080p graphics which are better than the 360. PS3 games will also be on 1 disc forever, unlike upcoming 360 titles being on up to 4 discs for a single game. Xbox will go to HD discs but it's only for movies, not the games.
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31. December 2005 @ 02:22 |
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ha, im an athiest, i wouldnt care. hell im glad for the no god. and id be friends with BG only for that facts. otherwise i would strangle him with twine.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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074kev
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31. December 2005 @ 02:34 |
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It's fine if Microsoft wants to ban all references to God on xbox live, just give me my money back, it's only fair. But they won't. Just like some issues are important to you, this particular issue happens to be important to me. I would never have bought the 360 if I had know this.
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fazyninja
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31. December 2005 @ 02:35 |
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liljohn i live in london so i would not know how much the games cost but to answer you second question i only pay a one off payment for xbox live 12 month subscription.
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fazyninja
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31. December 2005 @ 02:50 |
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074kev i do not undertsand how you can ake god into gaming, i mean i am a hard core gamer at the same time as being a big beleiver in god, anyways thats your views, i just want to say that if that is your only reason for getting a ps3 than go ahead but if is not than take a look at some of the games that are going to come out in 2006, after watching them i can not be bothered to go play call of duty 2 on my 360, thats how exciting these future games are.
OK IF ANYBODY IS COMPLAING ABOUT THE XBOX 360 GRAPHICS (CALL OF DUTY 2)THAN CHACK THIS OUT - http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/744/744413/imgs_1.html
here is a list of ust some of the games that i am looking forward too:
gears of war - (watch the new footage from the tokeyo game show, just released it.
Huxley - (no i am not 100% but it said some where that this game is using unreal 3 engine and that its gonna have up to 5000 people online, its coming out summer of 2006)
ghost reacon advanced war fighter - looks amazing, the ganmeplay looks really fun and it has soo many features to it.
frame city killer - also using unreal 3 engine, the gameplay looks fun
oblivion - is an rpg, great graphics and the bast Ai i have ever seen for example if you do something bad like steel something the AI will try to keep clear of you but if they are bad AI then they will come to you with a job to do or something. (the video they have out is in real time you should watch it)
that was just some of the games which are going to be awesome.
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Reasons?
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31. December 2005 @ 04:35 |
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Those are my personal observations, XBL is not workign correctly with many many games right now. COD2 is the best, but it doesn't work with a full or even half room of people.
Regardless of when and if XBL gets better or fixed, the community features are still horrible. Like I said, you cannot join a game, you cannot stay in a game. You are randomly matched up, and then ejected to game type select. You can never get a hodl of and play with friends. Also, the open mic is retarded, I can't talk to the people I know in PDZ (The one game where we stay in the same room.), because people cough, sneeze, laugh, talk to people in their house, have loud music playing, or just are always talking over you on the mic.
XBL is ridiculous, and you shoudl take the time to look at my list.
I'm not ocmparing jack, I never said anything about comparing two online services, except for existing PS2 and 360 services. My point still stanbds very well, XBL sucks.
I got my 360's onm Nov. 22nd here the USA, I was playing 360 right away, and sold one on Ebay for $1000. I have four games, and they all suck online and you can never play with your friends or talk to them.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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fazyninja
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31. December 2005 @ 04:59 |
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Reasons? first of all xbox live on the 360 is great, b/c you can go into it from anywhere, it has so many new features. i must admit that the games released have crap xbox live and xbox live facilities but thats the games, not the xbox live, i really like pgr3 on live its easy to use and fun. halo 2 was awesome on live, but burnout 3 had a lot of problems, its not about xbox live its about the games and whoever made them did not care much for live.
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HOWJORD
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31. December 2005 @ 06:24 |
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from my experience xbox live is fine, some games cover more than others, depending on the people who make the game, i never have had much time lag its all instant chat, maybe your connection is too slow?
turn based chat is pointless. if you are playing a team deathmatch, by the time its your turn to chat what you were warning a team member about has passed!! you arent ejected after a game everyone returns to the lobby room on all games i have this happens, and there you choos to stay or leave.
most games list the gamertags of the people you were playing with so if you want to add to you freinds list you dont have to write it down in the middle of the game. xbox 360 has the 360 button that gives live info, freinds contacting you in the middle of a game, if you are invited to play a game or one of your freinds come online it flashes up at the top of the screen.
reasons what live game do you have?
the best ive played are project gotham 2, battlefront, halo2, moto gp, etc
XBOX LIVE IS GREAT
i know you have to pay a gold subscription for the year of £39.99
but £3.33 a month is nothing!!!!
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fazyninja
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31. December 2005 @ 06:30 |
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i think reasons has an xnox 360 like me, from my point of view all the games i have ever played on live have been awesome except for call of duty 2 which is a good game but had a bad xbox live sevice but that i can understand after all the launch titles were rushed.
i think apart from halo 2 the best game i haver ever played on xbox live is probably pgr 3 oh and maybe star wars battlefront 2.
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31. December 2005 @ 10:01 |
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i side with reasons here. xbl needs to be revamped. its kinda confusin to play with your own friends and you cant pick your own server.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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31. December 2005 @ 10:01 |
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i side with reasons here. xbl needs to be revamped. its kinda confusin to play with your own friends and you cant pick your own server.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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fazyninja
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31. December 2005 @ 11:54 |
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31. December 2005 @ 12:38 |
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i remember a game called APB for my atari lynx. are you the cop in this one? going after the bad guys?
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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