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26. December 2005 @ 18:21 |
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yeah but it was understandable. a normal go at ff9 doing some side misions and leveling will take u almost 35 hours. and like kookoo states, you would lose detail over many disks cuz u have to keep copying. say if you game takes 16 gigs and 7 are textures, that would total out, having to copy and all, to be 4 dvds. imagine that. unless of cours you had the textures on the hdd. then it would be 3 dvds. 2 play disks and 1 teture disk. but after 2 or 3 games ur hdd would be full.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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zelda64
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26. December 2005 @ 21:11 |
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Oh no, not this argument again. First I am going to say I am not going to reply to anubis's comments as I find them to be very out of context and he seems to be making any negative remark to anything about the 360. He also hasnt done that much research on the 360 to give a comparison of both console's fairly.
However Kookoo are you sure your correct there? It sounds a bit unbelievable to me and over exadurated.
I dont know much about programing becuase I am not a game developer but I will give you good reasons to why I doubt what you say.
One piece of evidence is Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes on the Game cube. This game was on two discs but the texture quality was better than Metal Gear Solid on the PS2. The next piece of evidence is Resident Evil 4 on the gamecube. This clearly is better quality of graphics over the PS3 even though it is on two disc's.
The next thing I know which troubles me to why you think 360 will lose texture on games is this. If 2 islands on GTA4 has a high polygon and texture count (just making a random number as an example) of say a million and a million texture advancements takes up 8gb of space. Then those island's can not be created with all the other information needed so it will fit onto a disc. Your stating that because of this all the other information needed wont be able to fit onto the disc. This is why you have multiple disc's. If you take away 1 island you will take away 4gb of texture and polygon's from the disc leaving the rest of the disc to have space for the required information. The other island with the other 4gb of texture quality and polygons is placed on another disc, therefore you effectively have the same two islands with the same texture quality and polygon count but on two seperate disc's in stead of one.
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KoOkOo67
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26. December 2005 @ 21:36 |
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Well, i havnt researched exactly which is more powerfull, the ps2 or gamecube, but i do remember, i was being an idiot on some forum what is hidden now, i said the ps2 is way more powerfull tahn the gamecube. And then someone told me that it wasnt. Mabey it was you.
But with that evidence, you know that the gamecube rendered the textures better, and didnt need that detail because the ATI flipper made it look good already.
I cant explain this more clearly than this.
For the ps1, 500mb of space was way to much for one game. Heck the n64 games were 30-50mb.Ps1 disks were 500mb!? Now, we have ff 8. A four disked game, total ammount of 3.2gb. I think, well that what it says on my Computer.
This game was a 4 disk masterpiece.
This game could of been 1 disk, and look like a piece of S**t.
YOu know what, if you dont know what im about to say, then forget it. Ill make another example.
You have to fit textures on a 360 disk.LIMITED TO 9gb
50% of the disk textures
50% of the disk music
This isnt how a game actually goes, but bare with me.
so 4.5gb for textures, 4.5 gb music.
Thats a game.
But say you can have any limitition of disks. 4 disks, with each disk to have so 4.5gb for textures, 4.5 gb music.
Now do the same witha blueray disk.
25gb textures 25gb music
Now here is wehre FF8 can come to place.
I dont know if you remember but people said, oo it would take forever to fill in 500mbs. The same way people say about the blueray disks. But there was a 4 disked game that used the complete disks. For ps1.
Convert this now.
Square wants to remake ff8 using 4 disks with 100% of each disk for the ps3.
Do you not see where i am heading?
Ne ways, conclusion:
ps3 only games will look better than xbox360 only games.
Multy consol games will look the same.
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KoOkOo67
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26. December 2005 @ 21:45 |
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Anyways, zelda bare this in mind. I can be wrong here. You can be wrong here. We both got our facts. For what i know, both of our statements are oppinion based. Unless you thaught otherwize of me. You got your facts, i got mine. But there is no evidence of either of us being right. Mabey both of us are wrong! lol. We'l just have to wait and see if with evedence, one of us are proven wrong.
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26. December 2005 @ 23:18 |
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i have done research on specs and all but i havnt vied many videos.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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zelda64
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27. December 2005 @ 00:41 |
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Well my facts to me seem more substantial as it has actualy happened with games like Resident Evil 4 and Final Fantasy.
Lets put it like this. A disc is nothing more than a source that hold information. There is hardely any difference between DVD9 and Blue ray except one can hold 9gb of information and one can hold 50gb of information.
Therefore if you have around 5 DVD's you will have around the same amount of storage space as a Blue ray disc. If indeed what you say is true then lets take a look at what you say.
A DVD can hold around 4.5gb of texture and 4.5gb of music where the blue ray is 25gb and 25gb.
As an example lets presume the whole game of GTA4 is comprised of 25gb of Texture and 25gb of music. That 25gb on textures is on everything from roads to cars and people.
Now as an example if you where to turn that 25gb of texture information into 5 islands you will have 5 islands containing 5gb's of texture information but obviously still has the same texture quality but there are 5 islands rather than a big island like San Andeas.
Now you can see where I am coming from. If 25gb of texture is devided into 5 then you have 5 DVD's, so in this example you have an island for each disc. No texture quality is lost just like in Resident Evil and Metal Gear.
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27. December 2005 @ 01:02 |
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but with that, what if you accedently cross into another island? what if you have to go from one island to another in a span of a few minutes. the load times would blow with the read speed and having to grab disks all the time. with blurray its hella fast read and lack of sawp needs would make it ideal. a game developer with a plan that big would not produce for the 360 anyways due to the conplications and the price of manufacture.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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zelda64
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27. December 2005 @ 01:34 |
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Look anubis, your getting on my nerves. Unless anything is said positive about the PS3 and negatively about the 360 then you will always come up with some rubbish idea and suggestion.
What I was talking about before is an example to try and get accross to people that muliple disc's doesnt mean loss in graphical quality but only the disadvantage of changing discs.
The Islands was being used as an example (you do know what that means becuase I did say it on my post). Can you remember having to constantly swap discs in Metal Gear of Final Fantasy, the answer is no, you only had to swap it once. This is what will happen with GT4.
Now another point to pick you up on here anubis seeing as your getting on my nerves is that you stated that the only thing you havent checked out are most of the video's for the 360. Fisrt I have enough evidence of you disputing how the graphical quality of PS3 is better than 360 on other threads I can use. Second you claim it is only the vidoes you havent checked out fully yet. If this is the case then how comes you dont know simple things that the 360 has camera that can be used for video chat?
My true oppinion is that you have checked out the specs of the PS3 when you heard that its an almighty supercomputer. You then read the specs on the 360 to put it down (although there isnt much you can put it down on from the specs and has some advantages over PS3 like PS3 has over 360). You then look and read on everything on the PS3 and watch a few small things on the 360. You go into a shop with a negative mind on the 360, play it for a few seconds trying to find negatives and making some up, then have an argument with one of the staff. You come on here to claim the PS3 is almighty (even though they havent showed everything thing yet until CES) by giving nothing but negatives on the 360 and nothing but possitives on the PS3. Once runnig out of these you then resort to rubbish stuff like Quote:
you have 3x the chance of losing your game
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Just admit you like the PS3 and are a bit of a fan boy. There is nothing wrong with that.
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27. December 2005 @ 07:46 |
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I bought my 360 at my 24 hour Wal Mart, i was 7th in line....it's a awesome machine.
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KoOkOo67
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27. December 2005 @ 08:32 |
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Zelda, im talking about ps3 games only. Ony the ps3 games. If a developer wanted to mae a great game such as ff8. They can easily make it with 4disks with 100% compasity of each of them.
Say there is a game.
4disks for the ps3......same game
4disks for the 360......same game
Which would look better?
Highly unlikely that this will happen. But if a gamedeveloper wanted to have 5disk game for ps3. It would look extreem, just like FF8. I'm sure they could of fit ff8 on one disk. But it will look like a big piece of Bullsh**.
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27. December 2005 @ 10:19 |
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ps3 is gonna be crap i can say this jusdt by the way the hype is going. i mean the one thing people do not understand is that although ps3 has a whole load of shit in it that might look nice its basically got really bad architecture which means that games will look, play craper than the xbox 360. they will also take a lot longer to be made and there will be less games out on the ps3 due to this problem. and i do not know about you guys but i never really liked ps games right from the start, i mean wheh you comepare them to super smash bros melee , halo and halo 2, pgr 3, and splinter cell series. oh and gears of war looks amazing can not wait to play it.
now we move onto online play, for me online play is everything that is why i have a pc, but ever since i got xbox live gaming is turned into something else, its not like sitting by yourself trying to complete a game for days then calling round a friend to play multiplayer once in a while on a game you have already completed 10 times. its a whole new experience. what better than pizza halo 2 and xbox live (not much)
i finish by saying simply that i am disapointed in ps3 as all i hear about are the same geams just upgraded and more lies, all i say is wait for spring 2006 then you will see which consol is really better
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HOWJORD
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27. December 2005 @ 10:34 |
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yeah sweet 360 rules ps3 looks like a bread bin!
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27. December 2005 @ 10:38 |
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did i say 360 had no camera? cuz i said ps3 had hd-camera with insane speeds and res. and i bring up something to counter you all the time, i bett thats why you get pissed. i never played and mgs cept the demo one for ps where your under some thing and you have to infultrate this warehouse. id always smoke myself to death, lol. see, i back up sony because ive grown up with them. i like the xbox and all but there is no comparison to between it and ps2 when one came out almost 2 years later. with the ps3, they have some close gaurded secrets and im trying to prevent anyone i can from getting a 360 untill both are moreover understood, if not fully understood. i dont see it right to trash a console you've never seen. ive played games for the 360, thats better than any video out there cuz they can be preren's. i saw first hand, and i can tell you i was not wowed. the graphics were shinier but still not the best. the faces in call of duty were not modeled long enough for one example.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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KoOkOo67
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27. December 2005 @ 10:49 |
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ps3 is gonna be crap i can say this jusdt by the way the hype is going. i mean the one thing people do not understand is that although ps3 has a whole load of shit in it that might look nice its basically got really bad architecture which means that games will look, play craper than the xbox 360. they will also take a lot longer to be made and there will be less games out on the ps3 due to this problem. and i do not know about you guys but i never really liked ps games right from the start, i mean wheh you comepare them to super smash bros melee , halo and halo 2, pgr 3, and splinter cell series. oh and gears of war looks amazing can not wait to play it.
First impressions mean alote. It is a shame if this is your first post. I'm goign to make you look like the biggest fool.
1)You know bulsh** about architecture. I'm pretty sure you dont even know what architecture the ps3 has, or the xbox360 has. What's even more stupid is that you didnt specify what architecture. There are three, memory, GPU and CPu architecture. 2/3 architectures havnt been confermed by sony. So you statement is 100% false. You do not want to have this argument with me.
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play craper than the xbox 360. they will also take a lot longer to be made and there will be less games out on the ps3 due to this problem
Funny, the ps2 architecture was worse than the xbox's, but yett they had more games....Geeze I wonder why! fool.
Another thing is that architecture doesnt affect how a game plays.
You are telling me if a ps had better architecture than the xbox, the ps2 wil have better graphics. NO, it doesnt work this way. The power of the consol determins this, and how the architecture uses this power. Which ps3 beats the 360 in. You emphisized the word Alote. Ps3 games are goign to be easier to make than ps2 games. Your conclusion is just a bunch of bs.
3)Your game oppinion didnt include the ps games, i wonder why? what happened to Final fantasy? MGS? GTA? GT? These games all beat your precios halo.
Just because you dont like them, does'nt mean taht veryone does'nt like them. You are not everyone. You don't input everyones oppinions when you have no clue how many ppl like ps games.
I hate it when fanboys join ad to make a fool out of themselves.
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27. December 2005 @ 10:55 |
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But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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zelda64
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27. December 2005 @ 11:31 |
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Let me tell you somthing anubis. I do not get annoyed becuase you come up with somthing to counter my argument. I get anoyed when you come up with the worst thing to counter my argument. What also anoys me is you claim one thing then you cliam another like your doing now with the camera.
My point is that what you say is true. Everyone who wants a 360 shouldnt get one yet and should wait atleast until the Sony CES show where Sony will more or less present all on the PS3. So when it comes to Sony you have the right idea but when it comes to the 360 you dont.
Your talking about the graphics to a game thats imported to the system when you talk about call of duty. Do you know that the release games you see and play only use 10-15% of the 360's power. Please, Please!!! stop refering to these games as a indecation to the 360's power. They where games quickly released so the 360 would have some games.
You dont look at all the game video's for the 360, you dont read up enough on the 360 but with the PS3 you have done the complete oppostie. Doesnt this make you as bad as the 360 fanboys? They havent read or looked up enough on the PS3 espesialy if the CES show hasnt started yet, this is my point i am trying to make towards you anubis.
Lastly I want to say that if Sony at the CES presentation prove to me that Killzone 2 is ingame graphics by actualy playing the game with the controler then I could be pushed towards the PS3 if Halo 3 doesnt prove to be as good graphics. Also if Sony prove they have a better online setup and some good origional games in the making then this could push me more towards buying a PS3.
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27. December 2005 @ 11:46 |
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Graphics again. Killzone is probably reatime since the Geforce 6600 can probably produce it. We all know(hopefully) that the rsx is as powerfull as 2 Geforce 6600's. You guys dont know whats goign to hit you when both consols produce 100% potential. It will be like really really realistic. Trust me, even some pc games look better than what was shown at E3. BARE THAT INMIND.
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HOWJORD
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27. December 2005 @ 12:03 |
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for you ps3 guys some early pics of the ps3. the design that came to the designer one morning making his breakfast.
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27. December 2005 @ 12:28 |
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Those werent early pics of the ps3. Just google ps3 on google images and you can see some consepts.
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chimpanel
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27. December 2005 @ 12:41 |
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If you had a choice of the ps3 looking like this
or the normal design
Which one would you choose?
In fact I know looks don't count for much but forgetting everything else what console do you think looks the sexiest?
For the recored I would choose the first design, and I used to think the rev looked best but now Ime liking the 360 more after I got my first limited edition 360 faceplate.
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chimpanel
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27. December 2005 @ 12:47 |
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bloody dammit, i cant get my pic to work properly, anyway what console do u think looks best?
Hey guys i saw this and had to laugh, no offence on ps3 i think it looks nice but this pic is quite funny.
[img] http://www.electrobeans.de/bilder/261005ps3.jpg " border=0>
guys wot does border=0 mean
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HOWJORD
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27. December 2005 @ 14:13 |
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you have to admit the ps3 isnt the prettiest thing ever!
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27. December 2005 @ 15:03 |
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what are you talking about? not finely crafted? the shape is nice. why do ppl compare it to cool things and dis it for that. like this breadbox thing and the boomerang. a breadbox serves well in it purpose, and a boomerang was always fun as a kid. i like the convex shape because it show and outward motion. if i spill something on it it will drip off it. on a 360, the convexness makes me feel like its a recession. a step behind so to say. and if i spill something on it, it will pool up and seep inside before i can clean it. the shape over all of the ps3 is nice, it can stand very well on its own without risk.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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HOWJORD
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27. December 2005 @ 15:14 |
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go to www.gametrailers.com for excellent xbox 360 game trailers lost planet and moto gp 2006 are a must see loads on there, some ps3 ones aswell
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27. December 2005 @ 18:01 |
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It seems to me that the PS3 capabilities is given more of a stretch than 360 where its capabilities is already limited. With blueray who knows what sony can do to further advance its copy righted technology. 360 will alawys stay with the 9 gig disc and no more. And with the multi disc thing, no way is MS gonna come out with multi disc games.... the x box barely has games that are multi disc, ps2 also has a few games with multi disc. Im thinking its too expensive to make. Ps1 had multi disc cuz its probably cheaper to make. So a 360 game with multi disc is most likely not gonna happen
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