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13. March 2007 @ 12:51 |
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Thanks,Dunker!
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10. April 2007 @ 15:19 |
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Suicides Likelier in Homes With Guns: Study
April 10, 2007 03:55:45 PM PST
Yahoo! Health: Addiction News
TUESDAY, April 10 (HealthDay News) -- The presence of guns in homes is strongly associated with higher suicide rates, a new U.S. study found.
Harvard School of Public Health researchers analyzed national data and found that states with higher rates of households with guns had significantly higher rates of suicide by men, women and children. In the 15 states with the highest rates of household gun ownership, twice as many people committed suicide than in the six states with the lowest levels of household gun ownership. All the states had similar populations.
Although guns are involved in only five percent of all fatal and non-fatal suicide attempts, more than 90 percent of all suicidal attempts using guns are fatal, the study said. By comparison, drugs are used in 75 percent of all suicide attempts but are fatal only three percent of the time.
Suicide is one of the 15 leading causes of death in the United States. Among people younger than 45, suicide is one of the top three causes of death. In 2004, guns were used by more than half of the 32,439 Americans who committed suicide.
The study authors said that gun owners need to take steps to make their homes safer. The findings are published in the April issue of the Journal of Trauma.
"Removing all firearms from one's home is one of the most effective and straightforward steps that household decision-makers can take to reduce the risk of suicide," study lead author Matthew Miller, assistant professor of health policy and management, said in a prepared statement.
"Removing firearms may be especially effective in reducing the risk of suicide among adolescents and other potentially impulsive members of their home. Short of removing all firearms, the next best thing is to make sure that all guns in homes are very securely locked up and stored separately from secured ammunition. In a nation where more than half of all suicides are gun suicides and where more than one in three homes have firearms, one cannot talk about suicide without talking about guns," Miller said.
http://health.yahoo.com/news/173942;_ylt=A9htd6LLGhxGksEA_wSmxbAB
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gerry1
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10. April 2007 @ 15:45 |
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@Ireland....Oh, you're asking for it! This ceased being the POLITE gun debate on page 7!
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10. April 2007 @ 16:59 |
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one cannot talk about suicide without talking about guns," Miller said.
One would think psychiatric help, intervention, counseling and so forth would be discussed way before guns but maybe I'm just weird that way. Taking away guns does nothing to solve whatever issues are making the person suicidal in the first place.
That study has been shown to skewed but in all fairness it's near impossible to find a "study" on either side of the gun debate (or any issue for that matter) that's entirely objective.
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10. April 2007 @ 18:16 |
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meh, we have too many people that are either ungrateful for the gift of life or too stupid to deserve it. they shouldn't be around to breed. ^.^ </end my thoughts>
would it be okay if i asked for pistol recommendations here, neph, or is that too off-topic?
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10. April 2007 @ 18:32 |
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more than 90 percent of all suicidal attempts using guns are fatal,
For the other 10%, I have two words of advice
Target Practice
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11. April 2007 @ 03:54 |
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Or try, try, again!
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gerry1
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11. April 2007 @ 04:04 |
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LMAO! What a compassionate crew we are! We have one of the large subway stations beneath my office building and people jump in front of trains with some regularity; that must really hurt! Same with those who jump off the high buildings ... damn what a nasty way to go! Ah well, off subject.
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11. April 2007 @ 08:30 |
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Geez, I can just feel the compassion! :P
Blivet and garmoon, you fellas damn near had me spitting coffee all over my keyboard. Hot coffee out the nose ain't fun either :O
It's kinda hard for me to figure how someone could mess up with a gun but I imagine if life sucked before messing up with a gun it'd really suck afterwards.
On another note, I'm trying to get some pics of my reloading bench posted up!
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"And there we saw the giants, and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight" - Numbers 13:33
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11. April 2007 @ 08:44 |
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i'll take it as gun suggestion from other members are okay then, neph, as you didn't tell me otherwise. ^.^
i'm thinking a .32 caliber semiautomatic would be a good daily-carry weapon. bigger would probably be kinda hard to lug around and noticeable on me (i'm only 5'7") and smaller would have nearly no impact power, it seems. so, suggestions? that round size sound about right? i was thinking maybe a glock.
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11. April 2007 @ 09:07 |
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this is what my bride has..
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/s...=-1&isFirearm=Y
* Lightweight Compact Alloy Frame
* Matte Finish Stainless Steel Slide
* Compact .45ACP
* Low Profile 3-Dot Sights
* 3 1/4" Stainless Steel Barrel
* Traditional Double Action
The Chiefs Special has been described as the perfect personal defense pistols. The lightweight, compact design and unequaled reliability of the Chiefs Special deliver assurance that when needed you are protected. They are available in 9mm or .45 ACP.
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11. April 2007 @ 09:07 |
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How about one of the cute mother of pearl things for your handbag ;)
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11. April 2007 @ 09:16 |
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it's hard being short and 135 pounds >.<
hmm...9mm is a consideration, for sure. no bigger, i don't think, though. that looks pretty good ireland, but i'm not sure it's for me. more ideas the better!
gerry, if i was gonna carry a handbag, i'd just keep a brick in it. ^.~
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11. April 2007 @ 09:18 |
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Auslander, a short barrel 9mm would work fine i am about your size and i can pack it fine. plus the 9mm would give you much better fire power.
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"Removing all firearms from one's home is one of the most effective and straightforward steps that household decision-makers can take to reduce the risk of suicide," study lead author Matthew Miller, assistant professor of health policy and management, said in a prepared statement.
this statement is complete BS from someone that is definitely anti gun. i would bet this guy agenda would be to remove ALL guns from every household in America. which will never happen!!
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11. April 2007 @ 09:19 |
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I don't believe Glock makes a .32 plus I'm personally not too whoopy on such a small round. Glocks are great pistols though. I'm looking to get my CCW this summer and my gun of choice to carry will probably be one of the mini Glocks in either .45 Auto or .45 G.A.P. Glocks are tough as nails, dead simple to use and the minis are real easy to conceal. My buddy has a Glock 27 (mini in .40 S&W) and I like it alot. It's not exactly pleasurable to shoot but its also not that bad. Powerful rounds in small pistols have their tradeoffs.
Kahr Arms makes some very nice compact autos in 9mm that are worth a look, although they are rather spendy. Many of the major manufacturers Like Taurus, Smith&Wesson and Springfield Armory offer some sort of mini auto for concealed carry too.
If you enjoy your guns you should look into handloading for them especially if you have a rifle. Handloading allows you to use the exact components your rifle shoots most accurately and you save money too :)
**edit - I agree with aabbccdd in that 9mm is the easiest to shoot from short barreled guns.
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"And there we saw the giants, and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight" - Numbers 13:33
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11. April 2007 @ 09:27 |
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hmm...it helps, too, that 9mm is a such a common round. in a bad situation, it would be easy to source.
i agree with you completely on the BS statement, aabbccdd. this guy is just one of the nuts that thinks giving up your rights for security is perfectly acceptable.
my mistake then, neph. i must have glanced over some articles and mixed two lines. >.<
thanks for the advice, but i hope it still keeps coming. i'll look into kahr later today and see what i can find. my concealed carry permit is still just over 3 years off, but it wouldn't hurt to have several years of practice with my daily carry before i get the opportunity to keep it on me.
and since we've kind of moved to rifles, what would you all suggest for a few good general-purpose, end of the world preparedness rifles? about all i have access to at the moment, rifle-wise, is a .22 at home. we can talk shotguns later. ^.^ i think maybe .30-06 caliber, but isn't that ammo getting a bit rarer these days?
all posts appreciated as i tap your brains like a frat party's first keg.
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11. April 2007 @ 09:32 |
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if my bride can use that Pistol,ye guys can..
she practice ever year at the shooting range for up to 10 feet
with that Pistol she needs no brick in her handbag.
we figure if needed it would be with in 10 feet
i for got shes 110lbs and 5'2inches and 100% irish..
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11. April 2007 @ 09:36 |
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I've just had a change of heart about suicide; I just found out that I have to spend three days in Harrisburg for lectures on U.S. Free Trade Agreements ... jumping in front of a train sounds appealing right about now LOL!
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11. April 2007 @ 10:31 |
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There goes the coffee again...................................... :P
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good general-purpose, end of the world preparedness rifles
These are not only good for emergencies but are very handy and fun whenever,
Ruger Mini-14 cal. 5.56x45
Ruger Mini-30 cal. 7.62x39 Soviet
AR-15 from any quality manufacturer cal. 5.56x45
Springfield M1A cal. 7.62x51
Any quality bolt-action in the above calibers and 30-06
Common traits to all - use common easily aquired ammunition, extremely reliable and durable, adequate accuracy, easily obtainable parts, scoped easily (the Rugers are manufactured to use Ruger scope rings supplied from the factory with every rifle).
My killer sig came courtesy of bb "El Jefe" mayo.
The Forum Rules You Agreed To! http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2487
"And there we saw the giants, and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight" - Numbers 13:33
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11. April 2007 @ 11:06 |
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copied, pasted, and saved, neph. thankies. if it doesn't annoy anyone, though, i'd like to hear more about these recommendation; pros and cons, maybe. if that's too much, then i'll go search myself. :-)
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11. April 2007 @ 16:24 |
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Minimum caliber for a personal protection hand gun should be the .380ACP. Compact, with just enough medicine to do the job. Have an "Astra Constable" that I really like. Wife wanted it so now I make do with a "Charter Arms Police Undercover", 2" barrel, 6 round cylinder & rated for +p.
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11. April 2007 @ 16:33 |
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anyone know a good cheap but solid OC BB rifle?
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11. April 2007 @ 16:37 |
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Well, the article shows that research is being created to justify new laws. The give away is that the lead author is "assistant professor of health policy and management". "Policy" is law-making.
Funny how the study fails to mention that Japan is virtually gun-free and has a suicide rate that surpasses ours by miles.
-Do you believe you own your computer and shouldn't be told what you can run and do? Then say *NO* to Microsoft Vista!
-Since half the questions here involve media problems, here ya go: Only use Verbatim or Taiyo-Yuden discs (get your TYs from Rima.com, not Supermediastore or meritline). Forget the rest, no matter what "brand" they sell under. Always burn at 4x speed regardless of the speed rating of this discs or your drive. If you have burn problems with these then you have to update your drive's firmware. For double-layer discs, only use Verbatim DVD+R DL and burn them at 2.4x speed.
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11. April 2007 @ 16:42 |
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i'd say it's the high-pressure, crazy-strict-honor of japan that does'em in, there.
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11. April 2007 @ 16:44 |
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Originally posted by Dunker:
Well, the article shows that research is being created to justify new laws. The give away is that the lead author is "assistant professor of health policy and management". "Policy" is law-making.
Funny how the study fails to mention that Japan is virtually gun-free and has a suicide rate that surpasses ours by miles.
ya they are going OTT with laws and scapegoats they fail to look at the real cause would rather blame a scapegoat of their random choseing than deal with the real issue.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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