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oofRome
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14. September 2006 @ 20:37 |
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my bad i meant thier new HD-DVD players........just saying that they hav an uphill battle..........more like up the friggin alps battle....ah well we'll see
Toshiba has an uphill battle or Sony? Because if you take a look around, HD-DVD is doing quite alright.
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14. September 2006 @ 23:12 |
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Yes your right oofrome.
Its early stages right now but as i understand it HD-DVD is ahead of Blueray and news just in, Toshiba have created a HD-DVD that contains a third layer which is normal DVD. So when you go out to buy the movie you can buy the one disc and play it in a normal DVD playe becuase of the third layer or a HD-DVD player.
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15. September 2006 @ 08:23 |
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i read accually the bluray and HD-DVD installation base and fan base is roughtly equal, and it could be a few years untill a reall winner is seen. its well too early.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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Blaze87
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15. September 2006 @ 13:38 |
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lol i think i should double check my posts to avoid confusion, ah well , i'll do it from now on
yeah, i was saying sony has an uphill battle
with toshiba releasing their new players, and the new triple layer disc, along with the 'Wii" being launched 2 days after the ps3, with $50 dollar games....
yup they have a real battle.......
still rooting for them tho
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15. September 2006 @ 14:33 |
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the wii is $250, seems more logical to see an increase in 360 sales as the older crowd may say, wtf its only $50 more.....the 360 has a lot more to offer than the wii, namely games developed for adults 17 yrs or older. not to mention the ps2 is quite a bit cheaper than the wii and has more funcionality than the wii. $50/game is a bit high for nintendo
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15. September 2006 @ 14:47 |
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not to mention the ps2 is quite a bit cheaper than the wii and has more funcionality than the wii.
wait... what?
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15. September 2006 @ 14:54 |
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yeah, that kinda lost me there...how dows the ps2 have more functionality......maybe u meant ps3..but thenu sed the "ps2 is quite a but cheaper"........yup...lost
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15. September 2006 @ 15:27 |
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yeah common, i know the wii is not as powerfull as the ps3 or xbox 360, but the wii has a lot more to give as you all know (the controller, being able to play all the old games, the price), not to mention many gaming websites such as ign, rated mario world above all ps3 games, and nearly all xbox 360 games apart from a couple, and they also said the wii not only had the best confrence but that it came off best from e3, now all you have to do is shrug of that fanboyness (that we all have, not just ps3 fans) and start to listen (not follow) to people who have already played with all three consoles.
PS3 specs may look better than xbox 360 but i am yet to see a game on the PS3 that looks better than any of the top end xbox 360 games such as gears of war, mass effect and halo 3.
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15. September 2006 @ 20:55 |
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probably should have clarified what i was referring to earlier. the ps2 today i beleive retails for $130 and the wii will retail for $250, thus the ps2 is cheaper than the wii, and i won't even compare accessories.(some of the wii accossories are pretty costly IMO)
now when i said functionality earlier i was not talking about innovation and the intended use of the wii controller, but the actual functionality of the console itself. now if you took the ps2 a person is getting a ps1/ps2/cdplayer/dvdplayer all in one with no additional downloading, which cannot be said for the wii. now its understandable that nintendo has a much larger game library considering they have released a few more consoles than sony, but again an individual does not need an internet connnection to play older generation games. for the most part the ps2 is simply plug and play. i cannot literally take my NES tecmosuperbowl game and plug it into the wii and play it. however i could take a madden game from psx and directly play it with the ps2. again i understand the argument that, "well its backwards cap. with gamecube games and we can directly play those...." but again i already covered that and it is a fair argument, but again consider the two lifespans.
now lets think for a minute about how cool it could be or will be to play some of the old great titles of our childhood....amazing isnt it? the only problem is you have to pay to play them, a fairly reasonable price i might add. in all fairness though, how long can anyone play blades of steel, mario, tecmo, ninja turtles, zelda, bond, etc etc. before the games get a tad bit old?? how many people still have working nintendo units with their games and still regularly play them? i'll be honest, i happen to have and its hooked up both nes/snes in the cellar with the games i grew up with. ironically i haven't played one of those games in years. generally when a new system comes along the old gets pushed to the side, and occasionally will see some playing time, but it doesn't last too long.
believe me i am not a nintendo hater or anything, i just think after SNES and being the age i am, nintendo just doesn't provide the games i find appealing. i will also say i understand what its like to enjoy video games and i am really not trying to belittle anyone here, but seriously nintendo is meant for the younger crowd. i just don't see how someone could really argue against that. people mention the games AC, god of war, gears of war, dead rising, killzone, DMC, halo, GTA, RE, saints row, socom, etc etc as games that are the potential blockbuster titles for their respectable system(s). so where are all the wii titles for that class?
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maybe u meant ps3..but thenu sed the "ps2 is quite a but cheaper"........yup...lost
that is not even english nor did i say that, not to mention the fact that you didn't even properly quote what i wrote......
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now all you have to do is shrug of that fanboyness (that we all have, not just ps3 fans) and start to listen (not follow) to people who have already played with all three consoles.
the only problem with that is no one has played all three consoles and thus e3 and the reported reaction by the general public is just speculation at this point. in reality and in general, i am not a "follower" and its not a case of being a fanboy, but the reasons i gave earlier for my opinion of nintendo, which we're all open to discuss, as this is the console debate thread.
naturally i like the idea nintendo took in going in a different direction with their controller, but i just don't see it as being something that will continually be used by people. i think it'll get old after the first few days of gameplay until a new friend comes over to show off or maybe even a new game comes out. in closing, how long do some of you actually think you will continually use their motionsensing controller till it gets redundant, tiring, or even just plain old?
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15. September 2006 @ 21:18 |
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@fninja.
did you ever read my post? or prefer not to reply?
@hade
good post
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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Fninja
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16. September 2006 @ 01:03 |
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sorry anubis i missed that one.
PS3 specs may look better than xbox 360 but i am yet to see a game on the PS3 that looks better than any of the top end xbox 360 games such as gears of war, mass effect and halo 3.
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16. September 2006 @ 01:25 |
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ok i just read it, well its what you have been saying for a while now, which is that the ps3 is a powerfull console and that the cell works well with the the rsx.
but all i am saying is that i am yet to see a game (ingame) that will never come on the xbox 360 b/c it may not be "as powerfull", or even just a game beter than any game soon to release for the xbox 360. if the ps3 came out with crysis exactly like it is on the pc, and it was said that it can not be done on the xbox 360, then i would put my hands up and say ok the ps3 is in a leage of its own and all those specs that everyone keeps on going on about have actually proven themselves.
PS3 specs may look better than xbox 360 but i am yet to see a game on the PS3 that looks better than any of the top end xbox 360 games such as gears of war, mass effect and halo 3.
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16. September 2006 @ 02:01 |
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@hade excellent post I was an inch away from addressing those quotes myself except I saw yours.It wouldn't have been pretty lol.
@fninja the xbox360 has been out for almost a year.Of coarse it has some great titles,oh wait actually it doesn't....They still haven't produced a great game.But no matter what we put it front of you, your going to say the same thing.I could put resistance,mgs4,warhawk,assasins creed,killzone 2,grand turismo hd,UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2007,on and on right in front of your nose and it will be the same.You and I both know 360 has been bland.
I just got perfect dark zero and didn't expect much, but it's fasted paced and has some great action.To me that's the best exclusive so far which isn't saying much.
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16. September 2006 @ 07:07 |
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"Of coarse it has some great titles,oh wait actually it doesn't....They still haven't produced a great game"
true.
"But no matter what we put it front of you, your going to say the same thing."
thats not really fair, all i said is that i have yet to see a game better than forth coming xbox 360 games.
"I could put resistance,mgs4,warhawk,assasins creed,killzone 2,grand turismo hd,UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2007"
great list of games, but unreal tournament looks very similar to gears of war, gt hd did not look that impressive, assasins creed is coming to the xbox 360 on the same day, war hauk did look crisp but also nothing that special (i did like the way the controller was used to fly the air crafts though), killzone 2 was cgi so none of us really know how thats going to turn out, resistence does look the best out of the bunch in my opinion and mgs4 was not ingame (not saying that the game will not look like that but i am guesing that your last post was replying to my last post, and if you look back i said "(ingame)").
PS3 specs may look better than xbox 360 but i am yet to see a game on the PS3 that looks better than any of the top end xbox 360 games such as gears of war, mass effect and halo 3.
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16. September 2006 @ 21:14 |
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not sure people really thought about this, but has it dawn'd on anyone that gow, mass effect and halo have bascially the same overall concept. some race fighting against another lifeform (aliens). actually gow may be the exception and seems to be the more promising title out of the 3, but again i just don't see the overall variety in game selection that people find with the playstation brand. lets look at playstaton....
MGS is a completely different setting and backround than Resistance is going to be. Socom is aimed towards realism and modern warfare. by realism i am not referring to actual gameplay, but the weapon selections, team movement commands, locations, and styles of fighting (urban warfare for example). one may even be able to throw Killzone into the mix of things. there doesn't seem to be the cluster of similar settings or basic ideologies for playstation games. now thats not to say that there are not similarities to former games, but i think that is pretty much across all the boards as far as the platforms are concerned
naturally most could argue one way or another, but again look at the 360 and two games like Saint's Row and Dead Rising. saint's row simply a spin off of gta, and dead rising has some similarities between the RE series. same company we know, but where is the innovation or leaps and bounds between these games. i am not saying that these titles arn't good or don't add their own neat features, but again it just seems more of the same old, same old.
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16. September 2006 @ 22:04 |
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generally when a new system comes along the old gets pushed to the side, and occasionally will see some playing time, but it doesn't last too long.
Then why is the rest of your post talking about the greatness of the ps2 and the playstation's backward compatibility?
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in closing, how long do some of you actually think you will continually use their motionsensing controller till it gets redundant, tiring, or even just plain old?
If you look at the gameplay videos around, there actually doesn't need to be a lot of exaggerated movements to play Wii games.
And as for it getting old, at the very worst it will just be another control scheme. And since the basic control scheme of consoles hasn't been changed in a decade, I don't see how it would get any more redundant than any other console. And as I said, that's a bad-case scenerio. On the other side, it might actually be fun.
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17. September 2006 @ 03:54 |
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"MGS is a completely different setting and backround than Resistance is going to be. Socom is aimed towards realism and modern warfare. by realism i am not referring to actual gameplay, but the weapon selections, team movement commands, locations, and styles of fighting (urban warfare for example). one may even be able to throw Killzone into the mix of things. there doesn't seem to be the cluster of similar settings or basic ideologies for playstation games. now thats not to say that there are not similarities to former games, but i think that is pretty much across all the boards as far as the platforms are concerned"
i understand what you mean. other people may disagree with me, but i have always found rpgs, role playing games and stuff like that extremely boring, but i happen to love shooters and if they have aliens in them, well thats just a plus, i never saw that as repetitive, but i can see your point. i did try other things like final fantasy and oblivion but they just never interested me.
PS3 specs may look better than xbox 360 but i am yet to see a game on the PS3 that looks better than any of the top end xbox 360 games such as gears of war, mass effect and halo 3.
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17. September 2006 @ 17:59 |
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"generally when a new system comes along the old gets pushed to the side, and occasionally will see some playing time, but it doesn't last too long."
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Then why is the rest of your post talking about the greatness of the ps2 and the playstation's backward compatibility?
the nintendo blinders need to come off now, as i thought the post where you quoted me from was pretty straight forward. i could be wrong and maybe didn't explain things in the best way, so i'll go again. now before i sound like a broken record and either annoy or put some people to sleep, i should say this is not meant to insult anyone.
earlier you raised the question or was confused on how i said the ps2 is cheaper than the wii and has more functionality. so, i tried to clarify or support my reasoning by giving some insight on my overall perspective on nintendo, the wii, and how it compares to the ps2.
it almost seems as if your trying to twist and question only one sentance out of a fairly lengthy post. i was actually surprised that you didn't question or comment on anything else(cept for the controller bit). i mentioned backwards cap, price, and the other functionalities as reasons why i feel that even the ps2 has the overall edge when it comes to the wii. it offers more OUT OF THE BOX abilities than the wii does, which i also covered in the other post. now take that into consideration before jumping the gun on things along with my feelings about nintendo in general, their apparent target market, and the claims i made earlier supporting all that.
now to answer your question..... its the plain and simple fact that i never once said anything about people never playing OLD ps games or old games in general(if someone had the ability to do so). there was NOT ONE console system prior to the ps2 that allowed you backwards compatability like that. i was pretty excited about the idea of playing old nintendo games, but then i asked myself, would i really play them? or how long till they get old again? i mean i still have the systems and games hook'd up, like i said before, but they don't see the light of day. so i thought to myself why is that, and came up with my reasoning.
so again there is the question about why i continually say or believe that the ps2 and its backwards compat. is such a great thing after just saying all that? well the reason is pretty simple, not everyone was around or had the ability to play certain "classics" or the great games or series that were on, or started with the original playstation. however having the ability to do that on YOUR NEW SYSTEM(which at the time was ps2), just makes things so much better. i mean you could even use your old playstation controllers or perpherals (racing wheel, if they had one i believe) if you choosed. seriously, what other system did all that backwhen?
now that i am on a roll here, i'll throw ps3 into the mix of things. again no other system gives you all the abilities, that this system will offer. with the wii you get the opportunity to play any nintendo game, but there is a catch to all that (price, internet, download). xbox360 offers backwards cap. but considering how the original xbox faired and its game lineup, wtf difference would it really make. i mean there really weren't that many xbox games that people are still dying to play. then we have the ps3, which has literally OUT OF BOX, quite a few unrivaled features (ps1/ps2/ps3/cd/dvd/bluray ETC).
people still wonder and question sony or even playstation, but look at what sony are doing NOW and compare that to the other units. its almost night and day. they are so far ahead of the game, but it comes with a price; however, for those who understand,its well worth it....
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17. September 2006 @ 23:47 |
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But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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oofRome
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18. September 2006 @ 14:22 |
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the nintendo blinders need to come off now
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as i thought the post where you quoted me from was pretty straight forward.
It almost was, until you implied that playing old games is a moot feature.
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it almost seems as if your trying to twist and question only one sentance out of a fairly lengthy post.
That's because that statement was a complete 180 from where you started.
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i was actually surprised that you didn't question or comment on anything else(cept for the controller bit). i mentioned backwards cap, price, and the other functionalities as reasons why i feel that even the ps2 has the overall edge when it comes to the wii.
it offers more OUT OF THE BOX abilities than the wii does, which i also covered in the other post.
yes, you mentioned a cd player and a dvd player. but by now, that really doesn't matter. we're already in the beginning of the next gen format war, and you're saying the ps2 has an advantage over the wii because it's equipped with technology that has been out for over a decade? There's a reason the the xbox doesn't have a VHS player built into it.
Of course I don't speak for everyone, but by now, I have 3 dvd players in my apartment and a whopping 6 cd players. You're saying the number of functionalities is what is important, and I think the relevance is more important here.
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now take that into consideration before jumping the gun on things along with my feelings about nintendo in general, their apparent target market, and the claims i made earlier supporting all that.
This is also a peculiar thing to say, because Nintendo has said from the start it isn't making an all-in-one encompassing media center, and a big target audience for Nintendo is "non-gamers".
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now to answer your question..... its the plain and simple fact that i never once said anything about people never playing OLD ps games or old games in general(if someone had the ability to do so).
No, but you said that as new systems come out, the old ones are generally pushed to the side. Now, if you were talking solely about the actual systems themselves (and not the games), then that sentence could be true, but it adds nothing to your argument that the ps2's BC is "better" than the Wii's. Because as you said, you weren't talking about old games in general, just the system. The Wii isn't coming out with a snes, it is coming with the ability to play said games.
Now I'm not disagreeing with most of the points you're making, but as I said earlier, it seems quite irrelevant as a whole.
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there was NOT ONE console system prior to the ps2 that allowed you backwards compatability like that. i was pretty excited about the idea of playing old nintendo games, but then i asked myself, would i really play them? or how long till they get old again? i mean i still have the systems and games hook'd up, like i said before, but they don't see the light of day. so i thought to myself why is that, and came up with my reasoning.
And here comes this circle of reasoning again. You're still trying to prove why the PS2's ability to play ps1 games is so great. I get it; you don't have to do anything extra (like pay or download or anything). But you yourself also have a snes hooked up in the basement, so you still don't have to pay or download anything to play those old games either. From your reasoning, you should be playing ps1 games as often as snes games.
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so again there is the question about why i continually say or believe that the ps2 and its backwards compat. is such a great thing after just saying all that?
Question still stands. :-P
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well the reason is pretty simple, not everyone was around or had the ability to play certain "classics" or the great games or series that were on, or started with the original playstation.
And even more people weren't around for the nes, snes, genesis, turbografx, and n64 days.
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however having the ability to do that on YOUR NEW SYSTEM(which at the time was ps2), just makes things so much better. i mean you could even use your old playstation controllers or perpherals (racing wheel, if they had one i believe) if you choosed. seriously, what other system did all that backwhen?
backwhen? Just the ps2. But that was 6 years ago - It isn't as important or pertinent as you're making it out to be.
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now that i am on a roll here, i'll throw ps3 into the mix of things. again no other system gives you all the abilities, that this system will offer. with the wii you get the opportunity to play any nintendo game, but there is a catch to all that (price, internet, download).
Oh good grief. If you want to start comparing opportunity costs to get the benefits from a wii vs ps3, then you and me are in big trouble, hade.
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then we have the ps3, which has literally OUT OF BOX, quite a few unrivaled features (ps1/ps2/ps3/cd/dvd/bluray ETC).
You know what the PS3 doesn't have OUT OF BOX?
Choice.
You have to pay for everything, regardless of wether you even want/need it or not.
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people still wonder and question sony or even playstation, but look at what sony are doing NOW and compare that to the other units. its almost night and day. they are so far ahead of the game, but it comes with a price; however, for those who understand,its well worth it....
How are you going to accuse me of having Nintendo blinders and then contrive a huge statement like this? The strengths that the ps1 and ps2 at their time of release are nothing like what the ps3 is praised for. The ps2/1 were mass market systems. The ps3 is a highly tech-oriented system. The ps3 isn't developer friendly, the ps3 isn't affordable. It's not affordable because the majority of the parts are so cutting edge, and anyone without an HDTV isn't getting what they paid for. Do you know the HDTV market penetration? It's certainly not the majority, and a whole lot less than dvd penetration when the ps2 was released. The ps3 isn't looking to have as many exclusives as the ps2's driving force had, and the main thing that is keeping developers as committed as they are to system is the high momentum the name "playstation" is carrying from the ps2.
If the ps3 is "so far ahead of the game", than it is also way too ahead of the gaming force that drove the success of Sony's previous two consoles.
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18. September 2006 @ 14:25 |
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And sheesh: that post took up way too much time and space.
For what it's worth, though, I do think that the Virtual Console pricing is way too high. The only games I have any interest in downloading are the games that no longer work on my old systems or that were lost. Otherwise, I'll just hook up my Snes and keep my money. I mean honestly, two minutes of my time shouldn't cost me 8 dollars. 8 dollars that, I might add, I have to go out and buy on a points card.
Absolutely rediculous, Nintendo.
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well wii's bc sucks to me only for the fact that if i own an old game i dont wanna have to pay for it again.
and i hate how some people out there think you need an HDTV for a ps3 to work at all. god the nerve of some of the public out there. (i read someone thinking this on another site)
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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18. September 2006 @ 16:15 |
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thats not really fair, all i said is that i have yet to see a game better than forth coming xbox 360 games.
Well I appologize if it sounded harsh but we see this ALL THE TIME.We can put lot's of games in front of people and they will still act as if the xbox360 has the better games.I put a very short list.
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great list of games, but unreal tournament looks very similar to gears of war
What? Without unreal there would be no gears of war.Gears of war uses the unreal 3 engine.Unreal came first and has been around for nearly a decade so who copied who? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gears_of_war
@everybody we should not forget the games that have not been seen at e3 and don't have videos.Kingdom hearts 3,ratchet and clank 5,Jak,Sly cooper,etc most of these are in development as we speak.
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18. September 2006 @ 19:30 |
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@ anubis.....i agree some people are just ignorant.....oh wel, you cant fix stupid
i dont know why, but i guess the lack of bad news about sony has kinda reinstilled some of the faith i had lost in them
......even tho i checked some blogs this mornin and slapped my head in frustration because tony hawk project 8 wont have wifi for the ps3 version......lol.....sigh :(
ah well,
o and i thought this was kinda kool, either a really good photoshop or the real thing, looks real 2 me
http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/case-shot-o...ehog-201176.php
anyways...
go sony!!
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18. September 2006 @ 20:12 |
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and i hate how some people out there think you need an HDTV for a ps3 to work at all.
just to clarify, I wasn't saying a ps3 won't work without a HDTV.
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