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16. March 2006 @ 13:59 |
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@delateur
you won't be disappointed, once you get a few burns under your belt with it, the consistency of good burns is unparalleled on the Benq compared to with any of my other burners...especially if you enable SolidBurn to learn the first few couple...then after that, it's ON...lol
good price too btw, i'm not a lightscribe kinda guy, so i have the benq 1640 and the 1650 is ON THE WAY...it's been shipped~ :)
@tokijin
good job w/ the cross-flash, i am obviously not familiar with the BQflasher as i don't have a drive that is a rebadged benq, but glad it worked out well for ya~ now no more complaining about having certain features of the scan unavailable to ya~ :) as to the specific details of the drive, i know what i know from reading what each of the features do from Benq website...i only use the Q-suite for solidburn, and the booktype management.. all the other feature i've left on "default"...so, seems to work well for me so far...catfreak would be a better/more informed person as to the specifics of each...he's used a lot MORE different kinds of media than i have...i'm pretty much stuck using what has worked WELL for me...so, i'm pretty biased towards TY and the plus format Verbs~ :)
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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delateur
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16. March 2006 @ 15:53 |
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@docTY: I'm not familiar with the SolidBurn feature of this drive. If you feel like giving me a brief explanation of what it does, that would be great, otherwise you can certainly tell me to Google it and I'll get around to looking up what it does before I start burning any TY or Verb +Rs (I just got my Verbs today, taking advantage of that deal that mort81 told us about). I don't think I'm really a LightScribe kinda guy, either, truth be told, but I couldn't find anyone selling 1650s and I thought maybe one day I'd buy a few Lightscribe discs just to try out the feature and see how it looks. It's nice to know that I can stick with a brand I'm comfortable with, anyway (Verbatim DVD+Rs seem to be selling around $1 a disc for lightscribe, which is a bit spendy, but who knows, maybe they'll have a huge price drop down the line...).
@tokijin: Congrats on the firmware upgrade, if I didn't say so already. It looks like it's producing some fine quality burns, so far!
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16. March 2006 @ 17:01 |
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What brand of DVD do you prefer?
Taiyo Yuden (749 votes - 39.82%)
MCC (309 votes - 16.43%)
Ritek (209 votes - 11.11%)
Other (86 votes - 4.57%)
Ricoh (85 votes - 4.52%)
CMC (81 votes - 4.31%)
Maxell (73 votes - 3.88%)
Fuji (63 votes - 3.35%)
Optodisc (60 votes - 3.19%)
Sony (56 votes - 2.98%)
Prodisc (40 votes - 2.13%)
Daxon (26 votes - 1.38%)
Philips (24 votes - 1.28%)
Princo (20 votes - 1.06%)
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16. March 2006 @ 17:03 |
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This may not be the appropriate place for this but this is why I don't rely too much on the validity of scans. Feel free to deliver a severe flogging doc if I'm out of line. :) All these scans were done on the same backup. It is a verbatim DVD+R hub printable (MCC003) and it plays perfectly. Drives used to scan are a lite-on SOHW-1653S and a benq DW1620. It was burned with the benq at 8x. Scan utilities used are Nero disc quality, dvdinfopro, and kprobe. Notice the quality scores vary from 93.7 to 99.4 depending on which drive was used to scan and which scan utility was used. Judge for yourself.
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delateur
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16. March 2006 @ 17:31 |
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@mort81: Well, I take my scans with a grain of salt, anyway. I mean, if I get a 100% score, that's nice and all, and even if I get 100% on 9 out of 10 quickscans, or a highish 90 on a full scan using any of those various programs, all I really know for certain is I have a pretty decent burn that will probably hold up for a pretty long while, given that I'm using media with top quality dye and the initial scans are showing near perfect scores. Do I think my 100%s are "true" 100%s? No, of course not. What I do think is that generally speaking, they are about as good as I'm going to get with my current setup and are as close to perfect as I'm likely to achieve. What I generally do is run a quickscan just to ensure that nothing odd happened during the burn that produced a lower than optimal quality. If my quality is anywhere above 95%, I'm happy. :)
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Yujenh
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16. March 2006 @ 18:01 |
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Hello Doc,
Have you heard anything from the website
you order the Benq dw1650 from?? My is on the way and
i should recieve it on Tuesday March21. I bought my from
NCIX.
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16. March 2006 @ 18:03 |
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@delateur
SolidBurn is basically a prog. in Benq's Qsuite that adapts to newer media/unknown media so the drive, in essence, LEARNS the optimal writing strategy for the given media you are using...
this doesn't mean you shouldn't keep up with the newest firmwares, because you always should be up to date as newer write strategies are added to the firmware all the time, but, SolidBurn helps in that if there is some media that is not currently supported in the firmware write strategy tables, over a few burns, the drive will LEARN and ADAPT (to a certain extent) so that the media can be written with better quality and consistency...
in all honesty, i don't know HOW MUCH SolidBurn compensates for a lack of media strategy, but i enable mine just for the heck of it~ ...it doesn't seem to HURT, but to assess how much it HELPS, i dunno~ LOL
as to your scans mort81 buddy, wow, that must have taken some time to collaborate all those and scan Saw II using different drives and scanning progs...but, thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge with us...i, much like delateur, take my scans with a grain of salt...quality scores will naturally vary depending on the drive doing the scanning AND taking into consideration which prog. you use to scan...scores can fluctuate ALSO depending on when you scan them too~ (i found this out a long time ago when i would do a scan immediately after a burn, the results would vary from a scan of the same disc immediately upon a cold "start" on my computer) :)
who knows why? i sure don't...LOL....but as to which drives to do "as accurate as possible" scans on, i def. value my Liteon and Benq drives results over that of my Nec and def. over that of my completely non-reliable Pioneer drive scans...hehe
that's just MY opinion on scans and drives...
i've been burning with my Verb 8x dvd+r MCC003 a lot lately, consistent 96+ scans throughout the entire spindle (96 being the lowest score i've gotten so far), if all goes as expected and there is no delay, i should have my Benq 1650 IN MY HANDS by Saturday~ :) pretty excited about that...hope there is no delay...will be trying a plethora of TYs and MCCs in that bad boy very soon...
docTY~
edit to add: to Yujenh, i gave them a call and they said my order was already shipped out, they have no idea why i didn't get an email confirmation about shipping, they're "looking into it" to see why..but, i have an expected delivery date of 3/18, this sat. :) from Canadapost then via USPS to my door~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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16. March 2006 @ 18:09 |
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I am about to buy some tys, but I see that they have Silver Lacquer, White inkjet printables and Silver printable black media... Whats the difference? Are the white ones just better for labeling? They will run exactly the same, right?
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16. March 2006 @ 18:15 |
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@garre
the TY inkjet printables (in either the white hub printables or the silver non-hub printables) are designed exactly for that...to be used in conjunction with a inkjet printer capable of printing directly onto the disc~ :) ie. Epson R200/R300/etc. series~
if you plan on just "labelling" using a Sharpie or marker, then the "regular" silver lacquer would suffice for you, they are all made according the TY's quality standards, so there is no diff. in quality between the inkjet printables and the non-printables~ :)
hope that clarifies it for ya, as to being the "same"...quality wise, they are...it just depends if you want to print directly onto them assuming you have a capable inkjet printer...get the one that suits YOUR needs best...but you are on your way by using Taiyo Yuden.
docTy~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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16. March 2006 @ 18:15 |
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this is why I don't rely too much on the validity of scans
I just burned my first double layer disc on a Sony DRX-810UL. It is a backup of a movie on a Verb DVD+R 8x DL and the Nero scan went to zero. Playing it back I have yet to see a single problem. Maybe it is something with DL scans.
Gary
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16. March 2006 @ 18:20 |
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have you watched it through the layor break?
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16. March 2006 @ 18:26 |
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I can not tell exacty where the layer break is but I noticed in Alcohol 120 the burn hesitated at exactly 50% so I assume the break is at about the 4 gig mark of an 8 gig file. I did skip to every chapter and played a minute or so and have seen no problems. So yes I have at least seen past the break.
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16. March 2006 @ 21:01 |
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Yeah I realize that the scans are just a benchmark anyway. I scanned a TY DVD+R yesterday with DVDInfoPro which was a 99 until the last 1%, and suddenly there was a massive PIF spike and it dropped to a 60. I burned the file again, and the same thing happened with DVDInfoPro. So I scanned both discs with Nero CD/DVD Speed and they produced quality scores of 97 and 99 respsectively! I think DVDInfoPro may conflict with Qsuite or something, either way, it definitely seemed to be an issue with DVDInfoPro. The likelihood of getting two TY DVD+R's in the 60's back to back is extremely small.
Just to confirm my earlier suspicions, here's a scan of FFXII Jap:
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17. March 2006 @ 02:44 |
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@gjrhine
I too was fooled into thinking the layer break went fine until I watched the whole chapter where the break was.It froze. I had check all chapters too and thought it burned well. Movie was Goblet of Fire
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gjrhine
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17. March 2006 @ 02:53 |
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I'm going to watch the whole thing too. Is there any way to tell exactly where the break is?
Gary
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17. March 2006 @ 02:57 |
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On the goblet of fire Decrypter placed the break right when the orchestra leader was preparing the first dance at the ball. Just after the harry and date enter. Froze right where the elf lifted his baton to start music.then it just skipped for several scenes in that chapter the rest went normal. I tossed it and reburned with Nero express with AnyDVD. perfect
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17. March 2006 @ 04:34 |
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Hello,
I have used Verbatim 8x DVD-R pastel TY GO2 dye for a long time but unfortunatly they are no longer available,so I bought a small ammount of Taiyo yunden discs both 8x and 16x both DVD-R using Plextor 717uf drives and XL Prof. software I tested these in comparison to the aformentioned verbatim discs each test gave verbatim better results. This leads me wonder if I have the gen. TY Discs,the readings on the ring of the disc is 123456789ending in GH or GG.Is there a registered supplier of TY discs in the UK that I can buy from an d know that they are real
Thank you for reading this
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delateur
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@alwyn: Well, it seems that the UK is plagued with fake TY sellers out there, but the one that has been trying to establish itself as a genuine TY reseller at the moment is SVP (and there could be others, but this one is the first that I found). Their website is at http://svp.co.uk/
I'm not sure, but it seems as though their prices might be a little high, however. It MIGHT be worth it just to stick with Verbatims until someone gets them marked at a more reasonable price. Most here will agree there is almost no difference between MCC's and TY's.
@tokijin: Looks like there are some Benq 1650 and 1655s in there, so I'd recommend any of those (there's a beige and black 1650 and a black 1655, from what I could see), with a recommendation for the 1650 if the person has no interest at all in Lightscribe.
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17. March 2006 @ 06:47 |
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anyone else have an opinion bout the burners?
and what do you think is the best burner all round? not looking at his site,if you could buy one burner,which would you buy?which brand has the best reviews?
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17. March 2006 @ 06:52 |
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I think benq's are the best bang for the buck but plextor probably makes the best drives.
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Yujenh
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17. March 2006 @ 06:57 |
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Hello guys,
For the benq dw1650 I think somewhere it saids its got 2 year manufacture warranty. Since some of the guys mentioned that the Benq tech suppoort is almost nonextistent. My question is how are we going to be able to claim the warranty when something goes wrong with the drive??
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delateur
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17. March 2006 @ 07:22 |
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@mort81: I agree, Plextor makes an amazing drive, providing not only a very solid performer, but their quality control is definitely the best.
@Yujenh: It's been my experience that a drive will either work fine or it will be DOA/die within a few days of purchase, normally fast enough to return it to the place you bought it, if they have any kind of customer support at all. My thoughts would be, if the drive does fail, work with Benq on getting it replaced, then buy yourself a Lite-On 1693S or some other top-end drive with a different chipset. This way, not only will you have a backup drive, but you'll be more likely to have a drive that will burn any media well. (Like docTY has said, he prefers his Lite-On for DVD-R media, and his Benq for DVD+R booktyped to DVD-ROM.) Hope that helps!
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17. March 2006 @ 07:31 |
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I like my litey too for burning +r and booktyping to dvd-rom but just prefer my benq. No reason really, they both perform well and have pros and cons. My litey is a faster ripper but my benq is not as choosey about media. Both burn high quality media and DL media equally well.
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Yujenh
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17. March 2006 @ 08:00 |
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To Delatuer
thanks for your advice and this 1650 is a back up drive. i guess i will make it a primary drive and then the nec 3550 could be the spare drive.
i kinda like to not disagree with you guys but mention little bit
about the pioneer dvr-110. Since its on that listing also. I have one for couple month and its very good drive especially for the -r. the reason i have to get a 1650 is because a friend bought the pioneer from me because one of his drive broke down and need one really bad.
To Jurgennop
I would suggest you take a look at the supermida.com. I believe they ship almost worldwide and they might have benq 1655 and pioneer 110 available. To me i think those drive would be pretty good choice.
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