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Official docTY Taiyo Yuden thread
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13. March 2006 @ 01:19 |
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@docTY/aabbccdd/tokijin: Those are some good points, as well. I burned almost a full stack of 100 TDK DVD-Rs before I found out they weren't really the best media to use for universally reliable backups (inferior quality brand, and while opinions varied, I found plenty of convincing arguments that made me believe that booktyping to DVD-ROM was going to be a bit more universal than using DVD-Rs) and never had a problem with them in any player I own, or in any of my friends' players, if I took a movie over to their house to watch. It's interesting, however, that you'd mention Toshiba standalones, as my oldest DVD player was a Toshiba and it consistently had problems with newer media, of any kind, including originals, eventually. I suspect it was just a matter of very old firmware that could no longer keep up with changing standards over time.
As for the difference between good DVD-R and DVD+R media and whether or not one should pay the extra money for +Rs, I really couldn't say, since I've never had GOOD -R media, but I have found that a good quality +R booktyped to ROM gives outstanding results, and that's enough to keep me using it until I find a decent buy on 25 or so -Rs that I can experiment with. :)
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13. March 2006 @ 04:17 |
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I too have an older Toshiba that is picky on what it plays. I have not had a problem with media in the past with it, but lately the ones that are giving it indigestion are MIT Sony -R, and my Plextor's do not seem to like this media. I have no problem with +R Sony booktyped but the -R make the player sound like it is broken and my burners will not burn a lead in. I have even used MIT 16x Fuji +R booktyped in the old Toshiba and it plays them beautifully and sounds fine. I do believe it does have to do with older fw in the player and then newer media. Basically +/- media by Taiyo Yuden plays on anything and has no problems.
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13. March 2006 @ 10:05 |
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Fact is/are...
DVD+R more advanced
DVD+R can change the "book type" into DVD-ROM
DVD-ROM is the one and only "UNIVERSAL" DVD format in the planet.
All original DVD movies are pressed as DVD-ROM
All original PS2 games are pressed as DVD-ROM
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13. March 2006 @ 11:39 |
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Sometimes reading can be dangerous or can completely confuse the crap out of some of us. Wow, thought I had finally got to the point of the learning curve and swear by my Ty's as being the best media for me to copy my movies and have so few bad disks at this point. Gone through as many have E/Bay crap, Memosucks, and a few other brands and burning too fast and etc. If it wasn't for this forums advice I would have stopped trying to copy anything a long time ago. Yes I use 8X-Ty white hub and silver printables and love them at this point. I have used Verbatums and had no problem with them also but stick to Ty's now.I use AnyDVD & Clone DVD2 and have to admit this book type and other stuff using + disks is really confusing to me. A simple question I'd like to know is will a player that will not recognize or play a + disk play one that is book typed? Can someone simply explain why you would book type and what does it actually do? I buy online at Rima - Supermedia - Meritline and have had no problems - this works for me and I have wasted $$$$ and much time thinking that their was no difference in media. If I have no problem with the way I'm doing things now would I possably be better off booktyping?? (Whatever that is)
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13. March 2006 @ 12:23 |
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I've got a brand new Toshiba combo DVD-TV that won't even recognize a DVD +R DL disc copied 1:1 book-typed to DVD-ROM. A standalone Toshiba plays it flawlessly.
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13. March 2006 @ 14:28 |
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Hi, I have a question about about the Nero disc quality test, as posted above. I've been experimenting with this test, using a Plextor 712A burner (firmware 1.07) and AnyDVD/CloneDVD2. The good news is that with TY DVD+Rs burned at 4x, I get consistently good scans every time (scores in the 93-95 range). I'm having bad luck with MCC 004s. Burning at 4x, I've gotten scores in the 40s. Increasing speed to 8x helps somewhat but I am not getting scores above 85 or so. Most of the errors happen in the last 20% of the disc. Is this a compatibility problem with the drive? Maybe I need to stop buying Verbatim.
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13. March 2006 @ 14:35 |
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tom1991 - how far out are you burning? Try to stay under 4400 until you get some better scores. Also have you tried scanning with Plex Tools?
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13. March 2006 @ 15:24 |
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Hey Ken: Or should I call you Dr. TY. When are we going to see some Yuden000-T03-000 in the USA, a friend of mine from Yorkshire England sent me 25 of them to test and they are awesome on my BenQ 1655, can you find out when they will be available from Rima or any other site?
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13. March 2006 @ 15:36 |
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hi Alan,
imma give my Taiyo Yuden guy a call later this week, i have some other requests from members regarding availability on certain products made by Taiyo Yuden that need to be addressed as well~ :)
the office of my contact is currently closed at this time, it's about 5:30pm here PST, will do later this week and get back to you with an answer from him...
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Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
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13. March 2006 @ 15:40 |
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Nice post Alkohol, break it down so us lay-burners can understand it. I seem to get slightly better scans with DVD-R's over DVD+R's, but I like the TY DVD+R's, and doubt I'll go back to DVD-R's soon. I can get them locally, take advantage of booktyping, and they have the nice white writing surface. I've yet to verify the octogonal spacer on newer Sony spindles denotes TY's. The circular ones have all been MIT, but that's not exactly proof either way. A player that is older has a much better chance of recognizing DVD+R's booktyped to DVD-ROM than a non booktyped DVD+R. Truth is, if a player doesn't play DVD+R's, I don't know how much booktyping will make a difference, everybody's players are different, and Doc mentioned that his standalones won't play MCC/Yuden booktyped to DVD-ROM no matter what. I'm pretty sure you can chalk that up to format incompatibility, unless Doc started using those TDK's he loves so much again for nostalgia's sake. They're going out of the media business *sniffle*. Cheers!
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13. March 2006 @ 15:53 |
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@tokijin
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unless Doc started using those TDK's he loves so much again for nostalgia's sake. They're going out of the media business *sniffle*. Cheers!
LOL, a cold day in Hades it will be before i let myself do something as downright awful as that~! :) bye bye TDK...nice knowing ya, good riddens...hey, look at me, my MID coding is TT-ISUCKA$$-03
docTY~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
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13. March 2006 @ 16:02 |
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Tokijin,
Dvd-rom is still the most compatable format with set top dvd players. There are always going to be some that prefer the -r format but there are also those that will not play +r's but will play +r's booktyped dvd-rom or dvd-r's. Then there are some that will play anything you throw at it. You've still got the best chance of compatability with dvd+r's booktyped dvd-rom.
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13. March 2006 @ 16:09 |
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@tokijin and kivory666
You make fun of the very DVDs you love. I've been burning a stack of 100 TDKs that code out as genuine Yuden000-T02-000. Not bad for $16.99, I wish I had bought more. I did not know they coded out as Yudens at the time.
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13. March 2006 @ 16:15 |
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thanks, beltline. I tried burning a single layer disc (4444 bytes) using Decrypter in ISO mode and got a scan of 93. I'm still disappointed in the MCC 004s; have to really stock up on TYs.
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13. March 2006 @ 16:22 |
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@garmoon
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You make fun of the very DVDs you love. I've been burning a stack of 100 TDKs that code out as genuine Yuden000-T02-000. Not bad for $16.99, I wish I had bought more. I did not know they coded out as Yudens at the time.
actually, i DON'T...notice in my ridicule about TDK a few posts up i specifically mentioned "TT" preface in the imaginary MID coding i gave? you think after thousands of discs and trying basically EVERY brand available in the U.S. i would not know the difference of what manufacturer made what product? LOL
for you to get the YUDEN000T02s under the TDK brand label is pretty lucky, whether or not it is apparent NOWADAYS as to what you will be getting if you pick them up (the MIJ TDKs) locally or not, i don't know...i haven't bought any TDK media since my initial HORRIBLE experience with them 2+ years ago and my friend's equally $hitty experience with them too...
as i've mentioned MANY times, i have NOTHING against TDK as a company, the media which i "bash" are their OWN MANUFACTURED ONES, with the "TTG01/TTG02/TTH01/TTH02/TDK001/TDK002/TDK003" MIDs, NOT the taiyo yuden produced ones that i KNOW CAN be found under the TDK brand label...
i am the LAST person you should think doesn't know their manufacturers/brands/media id coding like the back of my hand... :) cheers~
docTY~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
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TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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13. March 2006 @ 17:15 |
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Tom1991 - 4444 is still too high. Drop that down to under 4400 (some will say 4300) and see if that scan doesn't improve to 95 or so. I will say that MCC 004 doesn't produce higher than 97 for me with the average about 95.5. The Verb's 8x DVD-R gave me consistent 98's. Now I have only burnt 7 of the YUDEN000T02 and got six 99's and one 98 and all had under 200 total PIF. Man I love them things.
@Doc - Hey I read about the value line a while back. I didn't notice the VAL code in any of the printables codes at supermediastore.com but I did on the non-printables. Does this mean that the printables are considered 1st class? Not that it's going to matter because I'm still going to buy them. I was just wondering.
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13. March 2006 @ 17:21 |
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Here's a pretty scan of Resident Evil OutBreak, burned right to the edge of the TY DVD+R's, booked to DVD-ROM of course. Thanks for the info relating to booktyping, I guess it'd be foolhardy to go back to DVD-R's when all evidence is that DVD+R's booked to DVD-ROM are superior in every way. Anyway, here's some more Yuden000T02 scans to spice this thread up.
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13. March 2006 @ 17:44 |
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Here is my first booktyped Yuden:
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13. March 2006 @ 17:49 |
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@ tom1991 You need to really blast those 16x MCC004 Verbs. With both my BenQ1640 and my Plextor712, I set the record speed at 'max' and burn 'em out to 4321 ... I'm getting scans from 98 - 99 and the occasional 100 ...
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13. March 2006 @ 20:54 |
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Okay here's a question which may seem noobish: If you're burning a file which is 4482MB's, and you set your burner to record to 4300MB's, what happens to the remaining 182MB's? Does it get left off, or does it burn more to the interior of the disc? I've always wondered about that. That's a great scan of the Yuden by the way. I wish my burner supported PI/PO scanning so I could get an accurate reading.
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13. March 2006 @ 21:23 |
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Tokijin,
Do you mean you set your transcoding/encoding app for a target size of 4300 mb. If the folder is larger than what a dvd5 can handle you will get an error message saying there is not enough room on the dvd, you must use a dvd9 (or something to that extent) if you try to burn it without first compressing it down to fit on a dvd5. When members talk about setting the size to 4300 mg they are talking about the target size for the transcoding/encoding app they are using to compress down to fit on a dvd5.
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13. March 2006 @ 22:42 |
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No, I'm aware of that. I meant it sounded like people were setting their burners to only burn to a specific point on the disc. I thought maybe they were somehow manipulating the size of the file, but I take their meaning now. If they're shrinking/transcoding a file with Nero Recode/Vision, they simply set the target size to the edge of where they wish to burn. I never though about doing that, but I've burned plenty of Nero Recode/Vision movies right to the edge with fantastic results, even on MIT Sony Media.
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13. March 2006 @ 22:59 |
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i burn to the edge with no problems using Taiyo Yuden media of course
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13. March 2006 @ 23:00 |
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4444 is still too high. Drop that down to under 4400 (some will say 4300) and see if that scan doesn't improve to 95 or so. I will say that MCC 004 doesn't produce higher than 97 for me with the average about 95.5. The Verb's 8x DVD-R gave me consistent 98's. Now I have only burnt 7 of the YUDEN000T02 and got six 99's and one 98 and all had under 200 total PIF. Man I love them things.
@Tokijin, Mort81 & beltline - With top notch media like Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim "Advanced Azo" DVD+R, you can't go wrong with anywhere from 4400MB - 4460MB. I've done/customized over hundreds with 4460MB (using YUDEN000T02, MCC004 & MAXELL002) and I've never had/experiences any playback issues at all. All of my backups played flawlessly and still rock without any glitches. If you take a closer look at the capacity (whole MB size) from a DVD+R disc. It is capable of holding 4482MB or 2295103 sectors. Below is an example, taken from a successful burned log of mine, using Nero Burning Rom burning to 4465MB (customized, but Nero showed 4466MB).
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Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
Last address to be written: 2286751 (508:10.01, 4466MB)
I guess what I'm trying to say is that, if it's "authentic/top notch" DVD+R media, your burner is on par with the latest firmware, then you shouldn't have to worry much about writing at 4400MB - 4460MB. Furthermore, it will gives you "less compressions" and your backup's quality will be better in results.
@beltline - So how's your project with DVD-RB Pro/Basic + CCE SP going? Like I said via PM, if you ever needed helps in addendum to CCE SP, then don't hesitate to hollar at me. I might be able to help you out on that case. Again, I honestly think that DVD-RB Pro + CCE SP is the best way to go, plus this combo produces awesome quality and encoding times are much faster than any other encoders out there.
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13. March 2006 @ 23:51 |
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Does this mean that the printables are considered 1st class?
yup, it sure does~ :) there has been an ongoing debate whether the "value line" with the VAL coding on them (ie. spindle-tape wrap as opposed to the cakebox ones) are actually 1st class or not, you will get a variety of answers on this depending on WHO you ask...
if you want MY honest opinion, i feel they are just as good as the "regular" unbranded TYs and the store bought Sony/Fuji that are produced by taiyo yuden~ :) but at a fairly significant discount in price, some people feel that the value line are 2nd class taiyo yudens, but i've used thousands of the "value line" and my Nero scans after, AT LEAST FOR ME ON MY SETUPS, proved to me that they retain quality scores just as high as the Sony/Fuji/unbranded PREMIUM line of Taiyo Yudens...
there WILL be "bad batches" out there for the "value line" if that is a concern of yours, however, there are "bad batches" of the PREMIUM line in cakebox as well and ALSO "bad batches" in the store bought taiyo yudens under various brand names...i believe my buddy catfreak can attest to that in the Fuji brand that he had awhile ago, he got a "bad batch" from the store bought taiyo yudens, but with all these cases, a simple RMA or return the store will clear things up~ :P
there is absolutely NO "perfect" manufacturer out there, i just feel it's a good idea to stick with one that has the "highest success rate/good vs bad ratio" and recommend accordingly~ you really shouldn't be too concerned about the "value line" TYs, whether shiny silver or printables, i wouldn't be surprised if someone comes in to argue about it, but, you heard from ME...if you are consistently getting quality scores of Quote:
Now I have only burnt 7 of the YUDEN000T02 and got six 99's and one 98 and all had under 200 total PIF. Man I love them things
whether it be the "premium line silver shinys" or the "white/silver inkjet printables", i can pretty much tell you that if you do decide to get some of the "VAL" line in the future, your scores will not be very much different...you have to take EVERYTHING into consideration when you do get a bad scan here and there, sometimes lady luck is on your side, sometimes she isn't~ :) assuming your setup/burn process does not change, you will get quality scores of 96+ CONSISTENTLY burning the 8x rated Taiyo Yudens in EITHER FORMAT @8x~ Benq drives do appreciate TYs :)
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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