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PS3 compatible video creation thread (tsMuxeR etc.).
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kpuz
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9. July 2008 @ 23:00 |
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Hi guys,
I don't know if this has been answered already but what if a video doesn't play even after changing the h264 profile level from 5.1 to 4.1? This is whats happening with one of my videos. I've tried different permutations of unchecking the pps and different frame rates but still no luck. I've also tried muxing the 4.1 stream into an mp4 container but it still won't play. I'm wondering if anyone here has any suggestions.
edit: forgot to mention, I'm trying to play the file of the hdd, and the audio works but the screen is black.
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9. July 2008 @ 23:54 |
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Originally posted by kpuz:
Hi guys,
I don't know if this has been answered already but what if a video doesn't play even after changing the h264 profile level from 5.1 to 4.1? This is whats happening with one of my videos. I've tried different permutations of unchecking the pps and different frame rates but still no luck. I've also tried muxing the 4.1 stream into an mp4 container but it still won't play. I'm wondering if anyone here has any suggestions.
edit: forgot to mention, I'm trying to play the file of the hdd, and the audio works but the screen is black.
Your video needs to be recoded to be compaticble with the PS3. This topic has been discussed here in the forum and here.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/639346
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error66
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13. July 2008 @ 19:35 |
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So I've been keeping up with your threads, Ryu77, since they started. Thank you for maintaining this great collection of info. odin24, you too have been a great resource so thank you as well.
I have read every post in this thread again. I still have a question or two. If they were answered elsewhere in the thread, I either didn't understand or I missed it and I apologize.
I typically get 720p MKV source files and remux to M2TS with tsmuxergui. I usually only need to be change to level 4.1 and/or convert the DTS track. I then host the folder containing my movies via a web server. I connect to the site via the PS3 browser and view the video directly via the browser. This works perfectly and seeking works at all speeds though I don't understand how. The only caveat with this method is I cannot pause a video for an extended period. I also upgraded to a 750GB "internal" drive, so I use the "Save Target" feature of the browser to transfer the >4GB M2TS files I want to have on the HDD. I have great disdain for Tiversity so this is the method I found to work.
So now that you know my situation, here are my questions:
1. Ryu77 you have stated not to use libav filter for AC3 recoding. Is there any quality difference between the Sonic or Nero filters?
2. I'm re-encoding some 720p episodes of a series using MeGUI and the Ryu77 BluRay profile: H.264, 1280x720, 16:9, 23.976 fps and 1.2GB each. The encoder saturates all four cores of my server (dual socket, dual core Intel 5160 @ 3.00GHz Xeon) for about four hours per 42min episode. The problem is the .264 output files are over twice the size of the source. I'm making no sizing, cropping, etc changes, only applying your profile. Is this to be expected or did I not get the process correctly? *Edit: The files also come out level 5.1, is that normal?
3. I'm curious what limits the PS3 to level 4.1 for M2TS playback. Is this a hardware thing or may Sony eventually upgrade the PS capabilities via firmware? My understanding is this is only a problem when playing video from the XMB. I can see it's a completely different process the PS3 uses to play AVCHD and I assume that's why that playback is more robust.
On a final note, I notice a lot of people are posting the same questions answered dozens of times in the thread. Perhaps we could do a FAQ and put it in your first thread? I'd be glad to help.
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13. July 2008 @ 23:01 |
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Hey error66, I can answer most of your questions.
Originally posted by error66:
1. Ryu77 you have stated not to use libav filter for AC3 recoding. Is there any quality difference between the Sonic or Nero filters?
I use the Libav filter for all of my AC3 recodes, the sound is still excellent. Also, to use the Nero filter you need the Nero multichannel plugin... which is not freeware. The Sonic filter is used for DTS only.
Originally posted by error66:
2. I'm re-encoding some 720p episodes of a series using MeGUI and the Ryu77 BluRay profile: H.264, 1280x720, 16:9, 23.976 fps and 1.2GB each. The encoder saturates all four cores of my server (dual socket, dual core Intel 5160 @ 3.00GHz Xeon) for about four hours per 42min episode. The problem is the .264 output files are over twice the size of the source. I'm making no sizing, cropping, etc changes, only applying your profile. Is this to be expected or did I not get the process correctly? *Edit: The files also come out level 5.1, is that normal?
Unless you need to resize or compress or for compatibility there is really no need to recode. Granted Ryu77's profile is great, I use it all of the time (for my BD rips to DVD9...~25GB+-->9GB), I'm sure he'll tell you the same, unless you need to, don't bother.
Now, when you need to... yes my quad core is maxed out to and that time frame sounds about right. It takes about 12 hrs for a 2 hor movie for me. As for your size-double output issue, you need to specify the file size in the bitrate calculator before you start to recode. Tools-->Bitrate Calculator, make sure you specify by file size, not bitrate. Output is always at level 5.1, this is normal.
Originally posted by error66:
3. I'm curious what limits the PS3 to level 4.1 for M2TS playback. Is this a hardware thing or may Sony eventually upgrade the PS capabilities via firmware? My understanding is this is only a problem when playing video from the XMB. I can see it's a completely different process the PS3 uses to play AVCHD and I assume that's why that playback is more robust.
Even legit Blu-ray movies are encoded at the 4.1 level... not sure if that means a hardware compatibility thing or not, I'd imagine most standalones are the same way. I don't think there will be a firmware fix for this in the near future either, not until BDs become more advanced... more than they already are. As for the AVCHD format being more robust I have to agree. You can have DTS audio, subtitles, and multiple audio/video/subtitle streams. Personally I like DTS for all of my movies, I also include subs... you never know. Therefore I like to use the AVCHD format rather than the m2ts format.
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14. July 2008 @ 04:32 |
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Originally posted by odin24:
Hey error66, I can answer most of your questions.
Originally posted by error66:
1. Ryu77 you have stated not to use libav filter for AC3 recoding. Is there any quality difference between the Sonic or Nero filters?
I use the Libav filter for all of my AC3 recodes, the sound is still excellent. Also, to use the Nero filter you need the Nero multichannel plugin... which is not freeware. The Sonic filter is used for DTS only.
The latest releases of EAC3to use the ArcSoft DTS decoder as the default for DTS decoding now. Madshi (the Author of EAC3to) feels quite confident that the ArcSoft decoder handles DTS perfectly.
As for the Libav filter for AC3 decoding, I can't really comment as I have always used the Nero 7 decoder for this. I will say though that Madshi also feels that this is the best decoder for AC3...
Originally posted by Madshi on the Doom9 Forum:
(1) Some decoders apply DRC (Dynamic Range Compression). Stupidly Dolby's license requests that DRC must be applied, unless your decoder has an option to turn it on/off. Only then the decoder is allowed to not apply DRC. The purpose of DRC is to limit the dynamic range of an audio track, mainly to not annoy neighbours or to accomodate to noisy living room conditions. For our purposes DRC is catastrophic.
(2) Most decoders apply Dialog Normalization. This feature is supposed to make sure that for all audio sources the dialog is automatically played at the same volume. For our needs Dialog Normalization is quite "unnice", although it's just a volume change, so it doesn't really destroy the audio quality.
(3) Some decoders forcefully downconvert to 16bit, or raise volume for unknown reasons or do other stupid stuff.
(4) Some decoders don't make use of the full available information, but just extract and decode the "core" of the compressed audio data, which obviously results in less than optimal audio quality.
evaluation of available decoders:
The Sonic (E-)AC3 decoder suffers from (1) and (2). eac3to is able to work around (2), but the problem (1) can not be defeated at this point in time. As a result I do not recommend the Sonic (E-)AC3 decoder. The Sonic TrueHD decoder suffers from (2) and (3). The current version is totally unusable. The Sonic DTS decoder is very good for DTS, DTS-ES, DTS-96/24, hd.cfm" class="forum_link" target="_blank">DTS-HD Master Audio and DTS-HD High Resolution tracks. Dialog normalization is ignored by the Sonic DTS decoder. The only problem of the Sonic DTS decoder is that it decodes DTS-HD 7.1 tracks only as 5.1. Most DTS-ES and DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 tracks are fully decoded as 6.1, though. The Nero (E-)AC3 decoder normally suffers from (1) and (2) and the Nero TrueHD decoder normally suffers from (2). Fortunately eac3to version knows ways to talk the Nero decoders into behaving practically perfect for our purposes. As a result the Nero decoder is absolutely the way to go right now for (E-)AC3. The Nero DTS decoder suffers from (2) and (4). eac3to can work around (2), but because of (4) I don't recommend the Nero DTS decoder for anything except conventional DTS tracks. The Cyberlink decoders always only output 16bit and can't be used outside of PowerDVD. So they currently do not make a lot of sense for eac3to. The libav/ffmpeg (E-)AC3 and DTS decoders work really well, but the output is not 100% identical to the Dolby/DTS reference decoders. I'm not sure whether there's a difference in audio quality. Decide for yourself. Both the libav/ffmpeg (E-)AC3 and DTS decoders suffer from problem (4) - the E-AC3 decoder is limited to 5.1 channels and the DTS decoder is limited to the 5.1 DTS core. Any additional channels and also the additional DTS-HD data blocks are ignored by the libav/ffmpeg decoders. The libav/ffmpeg TrueHD decoder works very well and is currently the only software decoder which can fully decode 7.1 TrueHD tracks. The ArcSoft DTS decoder seems to be perfect for DTS and DTS-HD decoding. It seems to support every format and channel configuration that exists including 6.1 and 7.1. The ArcSoft TrueHD and ArcSoft (E-)AC3 decoders are currently not supported by eac3to.
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D54
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14. July 2008 @ 04:38 |
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Someone please help
ALL I NEED IS TO CHANGE THE ASPECT RATIO OF A FILE, ITS PLAYING AT 1.78 instead of 2.35...
i dont know how to do that without re-encoding
its AVC/AC3 in .mpg container, i still have the original AVC/AAC in .mkv container. It works fine on PC but wont play on PS3
resolution: 960x544 (16;9 resolution but supposed to play at 1280x544)
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14. July 2008 @ 08:20 |
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Originally posted by D54:
Someone please help
ALL I NEED IS TO CHANGE THE ASPECT RATIO OF A FILE, ITS PLAYING AT 1.78 instead of 2.35...
i dont know how to do that without re-encoding
its AVC/AC3 in .mpg container, i still have the original AVC/AAC in .mkv container. It works fine on PC but wont play on PS3
resolution: 960x544 (16;9 resolution but supposed to play at 1280x544)
I thought the 2.41 firmware update took care of that issue, not sure though. If not you need to recode, change the dimensions.
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D54
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14. July 2008 @ 09:53 |
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Originally posted by odin24:
I thought the 2.41 firmware update took care of that issue, not sure though. If not you need to recode, change the dimensions.
Well prolly havent got that update, but it still played in 16:9 on my PC which played the original mkv file in correct 2.35 ratio.
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jfedias
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14. July 2008 @ 16:22 |
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Hi guys, I've a though question!
hehe
I've downloaded a Blu-Ray - Vantage Point - and I was wondering if it's possible to watch it on my PS3.
I've tried to stream it, but the subtitle wasn't recognized.
Tried to use the tsMuxeR, but in some parts of the movie the screen become black.
I hope you guys can help me.
Thanks for the attention,
Joćo
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error66
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14. July 2008 @ 23:50 |
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Originally posted by odin24:
Unless you need to resize or compress or for compatibility there is really no need to recode. Granted Ryu77's profile is great, I use it all of the time (for my BD rips to DVD9...~25GB+-->9GB), I'm sure he'll tell you the same, unless you need to, don't bother.
Now, when you need to... yes my quad core is maxed out to and that time frame sounds about right. It takes about 12 hrs for a 2 hor movie for me. As for your size-double output issue, you need to specify the file size in the bitrate calculator before you start to recode. Tools-->Bitrate Calculator, make sure you specify by file size, not bitrate. Output is always at level 5.1, this is normal.
I have to recode the files for the PS3 because partway through the season, the encoder updated his software and ended up changing the reference frames to be too high. Anyway, thanks for the tip on the Bitrate Calculator. I read about this several times, but I didn't think I had to worry; I never imagined the encoder could make the file larger. How exactly does the encoder increase the file size...I mean to say...where does the extra data come from?
Originally posted by Ryu77:
The latest releases of EAC3to use the ArcSoft DTS decoder as the default for DTS decoding now. Madshi (the Author of EAC3to) feels quite confident that the ArcSoft decoder handles DTS perfectly.
As for the Libav filter for AC3 decoding, I can't really comment as I have always used the Nero 7 decoder for this. I will say though that Madshi also feels that this is the best decoder for AC3...
Exactly what I was looking for Ryu77, thank you. I hate to re-encode the audio, discard the original DTS track and then find out I was creating the AC3 tracks with sub-par technology. For my M2TS movies, I've been leaving the DTS track in and adding the AC3 as well. However this leads to extra space requirements and since I keep all my stuff online on hard drive space, I have to be careful with this. Maybe I'll keep the DTS tracks on LTO tape, to keep the original just in case. Who knows, maybe Sony will make DTS work in M2TS some day.
I have a new question and I could probably look this up on Google but I figure you are the right group of people to ask. Re-encoding 264 is painfully slow, even on good hardware. If the encoders exist in Linux PPC, could we do the encoding on the PS3 to take advantage of the Cell processor? It seems it would run better. I know the PS3 is limited on memory, but I notice my encoder never consumes much memory anyway.
I'm going to do some testing with a 4x4 (4 socket, quad core) server at work and see if x264 can take advantage of sixteen cores. There is surely a point of diminishing returns. Anyone know if the encoders get a performance boost by running on a 64-bit Windows?
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lukee20
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17. July 2008 @ 03:32 |
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MKV2vob issue:
I have an 936 x 528 res MKV file, when I convert using mkv2vob, it is the incorrect aspect ratio. Can't find a solution on the web after look high and low? Anyone know of one or an workaround?
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Euan17
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17. July 2008 @ 03:37 |
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Hi, my first post in these forums so be nice :P, i've been trying to follow this thread and others to help me play 720p mkv videos on my PS3, this is a pretty big thread and there is a lot to take in I just wanted to make sure I got everything straight.
In order to convert an mkv to AVCHD/Blu-Ray the video must be a standard resolution (i.e. 1280x720) any others will show an ugly green bar at the bottom. Videos with non-standard resolution can still be played back on the PS3 but must be muxed to M2TS and must have AC3 audio (or other audio must be converted to AC3). All videos must have h264 profile of level 4.1 or lower and some videos may still not work.
1280x720p, any audio -> video to profile 4.1 -> AVCHD
1280x???p, AC3 audio -> video to profile 4.1 -> M2TS
1280x???p, DTS audio -> video to profile 4.1, audio to AC3 -> M2TS
Anything I missed? Any mistakes?
Thanks to everyone who contributed to these threads, they have really helped me.
Euan
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17. July 2008 @ 08:01 |
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Originally posted by Euan17:
1280x720p, any audio -> video to profile 4.1 -> AVCHD
1280x???p, AC3 audio -> video to profile 4.1 -> M2TS
1280x???p, DTS audio -> video to profile 4.1, audio to AC3 -> M2TS
Anything I missed? Any mistakes?
Thanks to everyone who contributed to these threads, they have really helped me.
Euan
You got it. Even if your video is a standard BD resoluion you can still mux to m2ts.
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Euan17
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17. July 2008 @ 08:09 |
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Originally posted by odin24:
Originally posted by Euan17:
1280x720p, any audio -> video to profile 4.1 -> AVCHD
1280x???p, AC3 audio -> video to profile 4.1 -> M2TS
1280x???p, DTS audio -> video to profile 4.1, audio to AC3 -> M2TS
Anything I missed? Any mistakes?
Thanks to everyone who contributed to these threads, they have really helped me.
Euan
You got it. Even if your video is a standard BD resoluion you can still mux to m2ts.
yeah i just prefer to put it to AVCHD if possible to get chapters
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17. July 2008 @ 08:22 |
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Originally posted by Euan17:
yeah i just prefer to put it to AVCHD if possible to get chapters
Me too, I like DTS and subs in all of my movies. You know, you can resize a non-standard resolution movie. It just takes a little time and patience.
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17. July 2008 @ 08:27 |
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Originally posted by Euan17:
1280x720p, any audio -> video to profile 4.1 -> AVCHD
1280x???p, AC3 audio -> video to profile 4.1 -> M2TS
1280x???p, DTS audio -> video to profile 4.1, audio to AC3 -> M2TS
Anything I missed? Any mistakes?
Wow! You got it...
Actually I should post this on my opening post to this thread. The only thing I would add is the 1920 x 1080 resolution, so it would be...
1280x720p/1920x1080, any audio -> video to profile 4.1 -> AVCHD
???x???p, AC3 audio -> video to profile 4.1 -> M2TS
???x???p, DTS audio -> video to profile 4.1, audio to AC3 -> M2TS
Also, don't forget there is the option to re-encode the video. It may be worthwhile, if for example you are an audiophile and wish to keep the original unaltered DTS track.
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Euan17
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17. July 2008 @ 09:11 |
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
Also, don't forget there is the option to re-encode the video. It may be worthwhile, if for example you are an audiophile and wish to keep the original unaltered DTS track.
yeah i'm not patient enough to go through all my movies re-encoding them, i probably have about 50-60 movies and hockey/football/basketball games i'd like to put to disc for playback on PS3 most of them non-standard resolutions, plus i have no knowledge of encoding and don't want to lose the quality.
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17. July 2008 @ 09:20 |
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Originally posted by Euan17:
Originally posted by Ryu77:
Also, don't forget there is the option to re-encode the video. It may be worthwhile, if for example you are an audiophile and wish to keep the original unaltered DTS track.
yeah i'm not patient enough to go through all my movies re-encoding them, i probably have about 50-60 movies and hockey/football/basketball games i'd like to put to disc for playback on PS3 most of them non-standard resolutions, plus i have no knowledge of encoding and don't want to lose the quality.
I suggest movies you aquire from here on out you recode... that's if you wish to keep DTS/subs/chapters, use the right settings and you'll most certainly enhance the quality. To recode it's actually quite simple, once everything is set up properly.
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Euan17
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17. July 2008 @ 10:37 |
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just tried remuxing the samples of all my movies that had them, most worked fine unfortunately some of my favourites didn't :( (American Beauty, American Gangster, Con Air, Pulp Fiction) does anyone know the reason that some movies don't work (black screen no video) even after converting to L4.1 m2ts?
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nd411
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17. July 2008 @ 11:15 |
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I think this has something to do with the b-frames or something like that.
Does anyone know of a simple tool that can quickly check and detect if a simple remux will work on the PS3? I know mkv2vob will detect it, but when it detects that it will not work on the PS3, it will start to recode and you can't just "quit" out of it...you have to go into task manager and kill the process...a pain in the behind! If the content will work with a PS3, then mkv2vob will just remux.
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17. July 2008 @ 12:48 |
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Originally posted by Euan17:
just tried remuxing the samples of all my movies that had them, most worked fine unfortunately some of my favourites didn't :( (American Beauty, American Gangster, Con Air, Pulp Fiction) does anyone know the reason that some movies don't work (black screen no video) even after converting to L4.1 m2ts?
Unfortunately whoever encoded these movies didn't consider Blu-Ray or m2ts playback, they will need to be recoded.
Originally posted by nd411:
Does anyone know of a simple tool that can quickly check and detect if a simple remux will work on the PS3? I know mkv2vob will detect it, but when it detects that it will not work on the PS3, it will start to recode and you can't just "quit" out of it...you have to go into task manager and kill the process...a pain in the behind! If the content will work with a PS3, then mkv2vob will just remux.
It pretty sure it has to do with the reference frames (ref=##), use MediaInfoRaw on the source mkv. Look for the Encoding Settings if provided and then the ref= stat. Most 720p movies will play but alot of the older 1080p's don't... because the ref= is above 5. I just usually process the sample that is provided. Most of the newer 1080p mkv's are fine.
@ Ryu77,
If I am wrong regarding the 1080 reference frames please correct me.
Thanks, O!
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jfedias
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17. July 2008 @ 12:50 |
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Could someone help me???
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17. July 2008 @ 13:15 |
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Originally posted by jfedias:
Hi guys, I've a though question!
hehe
I've downloaded a Blu-Ray - Vantage Point - and I was wondering if it's possible to watch it on my PS3.
I've tried to stream it, but the subtitle wasn't recognized.
Tried to use the tsMuxeR, but in some parts of the movie the screen become black.
I hope you guys can help me.
Thanks for the attention,
Joćo
Subtiltles are only available when played in the Blu-Ray format, not streamed or in m2ts. To view in Blu-ray your movie must have a BD compliant resolution, 1920x1080 or 1280x720. As for your "black screen problem, this could be a number of things... it is possible the download itself is defective.
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jfedias
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17. July 2008 @ 14:42 |
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If I try to watch it by the PowerDVD it's fine.
But how can I watch it on the PS3?
Do I have to remux it or something?
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Euan17
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17. July 2008 @ 17:41 |
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what is the easiest way to recode these videos that don't play back on PS3 without losing quality? also how can i add letterbox borders to non standard res videos so i can convert to avchd? finally what is the best way to reduce the bitrate of videos (i have some 720p mkvs that are too big for dvd9 and can't find alternative encodes) without losing much quality?
Thanks
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