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Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE? If So, Then Ask Your Questions Here.
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30. September 2004 @ 12:37 |
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I can't tell you how many times a simple defrag has resolved an RB/CCE issue.
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30. September 2004 @ 12:59 |
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Sophocles...good call, especially with the stuttering. I found that macroblocking is also a problem with fragmented drives.
Block134...The tech data on page files is lacking, but I have one set up on both HDD's because I'm using Win2K, and it goes into a reboot cycle if it detects a D drive without one. I don't know what XP does. I also use large drives, and a page file on each isn't a problem. I usually rip to the C, and export Remake files to and encode on D. I find that if I do it this way, when all the ripped files are removed, I can defrag C in a minute or two. The same goes with D. When I mix these on a single drive, it seems to spread out my system files, and then defragging takes a lot longer. If you use Remake, it also saves time by going from one drive to the other.
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30. September 2004 @ 13:21 |
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I defrag often too. When you consider that if you rip three movies and they average 6 gigs each and then you do a batch process which adds about another 9 gigs each you talking 45 gigs total. Then when you're done you delete them and your on your way to a fragmented hard disk. Same with the paging file. The default settings might be fine and even excessive for most normal operations, but when you're dumping multi gig files and then deleting them on a regular basis it may not be enough.
that's why I approached it with this line.
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Now this might sound silly but you might also want to defrag your hard disk. Trust me on the last one.
I can't tell you how many times that recommendation resulted a flamer.
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Gnomex
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30. September 2004 @ 13:38 |
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Doc409
XP can handle a swap file on one or multiple drives without a problem. Sadly, a end-user still needs to defrag there hard drive with the swap files on it. No problem with rebooting. However, I must agree that anyone that rips and transcodes movies on a normal basis must defrag there hard drive or be ready for odd qwirks.
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30. September 2004 @ 13:53 |
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Soph...it's often more like this...
6 (Decrypt/Shrink) + 6 (Remake File) + 9 (RB-CCE) x 3 movies = 63 GB's.
And ... I would agree that regardless of how low-key you approach the suggestion that someone should check their HDD for fragging, it seems to strike a nerve with some.
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30. September 2004 @ 13:54 |
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How many people are not aware that a swap/paging file can also be become fragmented? Every now and then I disable my paging file completely and then reboot into safe mode and defragment my hard disk. It takes a longer time but the contiguous files are much more tightly packed. Don't try this if you don't have a lot of physcial memory, but if fyou do give it a whirl
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Gnomex
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30. September 2004 @ 14:28 |
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Sophocles
Hmmm.... never attempted that one. I would just set the MAX and MIN size of the page file the same and defrag as normal. It would be nice to run a machine without a swap file, but I don't happen to have 2GB of RAM on my mother board.
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30. September 2004 @ 14:49 |
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When you do a normal defrag your swapt/Paging file is protected and it doesn't get defragged. You don't need a lot of memory to do this in Safe mode because everything that uses memory is disabled and by disabling your swap or paging file it's no longer protected and it too gets defragged.
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Gnomex
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30. September 2004 @ 15:26 |
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Sophocles,
I think I will try it tonight. Oh, just thought of something. You could recreate the swap file by setting it to none. Reboot. Defrag and recreate the swap file again. The file should be created in on a non-fragmented HD of cource. Hmmm... Yours seems less work still. You also need less memory then my option.
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30. September 2004 @ 15:35 |
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Gnomex
I've tried it that way but it takes longer and it could lockup. To defrag windows has to compact and move files around and it uses the paging file to do that. When you remove the paging file, everything has to be stored in your physical memory and it may not be able to keep up with your hard disk's transfer needs. In safe mode your memory is virtually free.
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Schaf1945
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30. September 2004 @ 15:59 |
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I have just had my first less than perfect result from RB/CCE Basic, namely trying a backup of the Goodies DVD. The original material is obviously not high quality, though the indoor shots are better than the outside camera-work. What do you guys recommend? Perhaps Shrink with some sharpening? Thanks.
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Gnomex
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30. September 2004 @ 16:07 |
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Sophocles,
Both our methods of dealing with a fragmented swap file will work. However, to solve this problem we just need a little more RAM (2GB) and that little thing called money. 2GB of high speed RAM could be an expensive fix. :)
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30. September 2004 @ 16:15 |
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I've used the saftey mode method with only 512 megs of memory.
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30. September 2004 @ 21:43 |
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Schaf, that's a toughie, it's hard to improve upon the source. Backup apps are designed to reproduce while using compression. The aim is to make a copy as close to the original as possible, not to improve upon the original.
My question is this, did the copy look as good as the original from RB/CCE?
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Schaf1945
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30. September 2004 @ 22:22 |
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BigO
No thats just the problem, the copy is not as good as the original. Normally the copy looks as good as the original when I use RB/CCE with a modern DVD, but this DVD is a BBC transfer of the original TV series (1971 or so) The visual quality of resulting DVD's aren't as good as modern movies. Rather like comparing an old 78 record with a modern CD. I seem to recall Vurbal talking about filters to improve things in this case. Thats why I thought Shrink with its new sharp/smooth options might be easier.
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30. September 2004 @ 22:33 |
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Schaf1945...as much as I like CCE, Shrink is a good program and may be worth a try. Or, if you have DVD2One 1.5, I have found it is very good with older, high contrast moview. Either of these may also serve to track down what is happening with CCE. If the "Goodies DVD" is in a standard format, it should have been re-encoded into a similar quality due to the way CCE works. The filters you mention, from my understanding, only offer minor enhancements. Your post sounds like you are talking about something major.
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30. September 2004 @ 22:47 |
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I'd recommend giving Shrink a try on it. I believe I've read complaints from others about the poor quality on The Goodies DVDs, in which case there's a certain advantage to using a program that just removes information. Poor transfers and encodes often leave you with encoding artifacts, which CCE will try to recreate because it assumes that everything in the source should be reproduced. Unfortunately, since artifacts tend to be very small and tend to move a lot, they require a lot of bitrate to encode. A program like DVD Shrink, on the other hand, starts out by trying to identify small details in the picture that can be removed without changing the picture in a noticeable way. Theoretically, this should mean removing at least some of the artifacts.
If you look for a thread from a few months ago on Return Of The King and DVD-RB you'll find some detailed discussion of what I'm talking about.
BTW, poor quality or not, I wish I had The Goodies on DVD.
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30. September 2004 @ 22:56 |
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1. October 2004 @ 05:11 |
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Schaf, I agree with doc and vurbal, sometimes a few apps, like RB/CCE and Intervideo's DVDCopy 2 do such a good job that errors are magnified making the resulting copy actually worse than the orginal. That's why I wanted you to clarify your question whether you were trying to improve on the original or if the copy was actually worse than the original.
I also think shrink might be a soution to your problem. Make sure you use the 3.2 version, which has the quality enhancements you seek. Let us know how it turns out. :>)
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rpor
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1. October 2004 @ 09:19 |
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Hello,
I tried to look for an answer in this thread, thought I got it...but no.
I'm trying to use DVD-RB 0.62 with CCE-SP 2.67 (not trial)
and all I get of the main movie is a blank screen with red lines at the bottom (see image)
What I do is use DVD-Decrypter to copy the DVD files to the HD, and then run DVD-RB on it.
Here's an example INI I recently used:
Options]
BackColor=-2147483633
ReduceOpt=3
OneClick=0
CCE=1
Completed=1
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=2
[Paths]
CCENEW=C:\Program Files\Cinema Craft Encoder SP v2.67.00.27\cctsp.exe
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\DVD Rebuilder\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll
Source=E:\DVD\VAN_HELSING\VIDEO_TS\
Working=E:\DVD\TEMP\
[Setup]
Languages=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
sLanguages=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
I recently removed the auto-select of the audio/sub, it didn't change anything
BTW, I keep everything (will use DVD-Shrink if I want to remove stuff)
Any help will be greatly appreciated!
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1. October 2004 @ 09:56 |
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What do you get when you play a file from the D2VAVS folder? And, is this your first movie, or the first one that didn't work?
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Gnomex
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1. October 2004 @ 10:08 |
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Doc409,
It looks like it is going to be one of those days.
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rpor
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1. October 2004 @ 10:34 |
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Doc409,
This is my first movie (tried two, none worked), up until now I've used DVD-Shrink and was very satisfied with the results, as I always kept the main movie compression above 85%
But on the longer ones with the extras...
Anyway, when I play one of the .m2v files in the D2VAVS I get the same black screen with red lines...
I hoped it was something more ppl have encountered
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1. October 2004 @ 10:42 |
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It seems this red line problem has come up on this thread before, but I don't have time now to go back and look for the fix.
What you are getting could be an AviSynth problem. What version are you using? 2.5.4 is the one that is recommended.
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1. October 2004 @ 10:42 |
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What version of AviSynth do you have? If you're not sure, use Notepad to make a file called Version.AVS The only line in the file should be:
Version()
Open that file in a media player and it will tell you what version of AviSynth you have. If it's not 2.54 or 2.55 you need to download one of those versions. If it is one of those, just uninstall and reinstall it.
Edit: You're too fast for me Doc ;)
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