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Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE? If So, Then Ask Your Questions Here.
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dude051
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2. October 2004 @ 18:31 |
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I hadn't thought of defragmenting, ill try that thanx. The only reason I had beleived it to be dvd-rb/cce (or a dll being shared with them) is because after I restarted those files would not be in use anymore allowing the VOB files to be copied fine, so I personally just felt the error lied in there. But then again, what doc409 said about being able to play the file at all would rule out dvd-rb/cce. Im defraggin right now, and im gonna reinstall cce in case. Thank you for all your help.
wakka wakka hiff *dead*
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brobear
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3. October 2004 @ 04:16 |
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dude051
You would be better off updating your RB to the latest version than reinstalling CCE. However, a good clean install of everything insures a good setup and doesn't hurt anything. I've got a question for you that I didn't notice you having posted. What are your system specs, i.e. amount of RAM, free HD space, CPU type and speed? BTW have you been cleaning your system regularly with anti virus and ad/spyware programs? Also, you need to run disk cleaner regularly. "House cleaning" goes a long way toward smooth operation. Poor system operation due to a lack of maintenance can cause the same problems you noted.
You could probably follow everyone's advice pretty much because it goes to system maintenance.
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64026402
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3. October 2004 @ 04:33 |
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Dude,
I also highly recommend getting the retail version of CCE basic if you can swing it. Although I have recently tested your exact trial setup with success for testing purposes, DVDrebuilder seems to have fewer concerns with basic and a lot more experience and support from those who backup a lot of DVDs.
$58 is a bargain for a lifetime of updates.
By the why, does anyone else think The Big Lebowski is a classic comedy?
Donald
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brobear
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3. October 2004 @ 04:47 |
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You're right Donald. I can't understand why anyone wants to go through the hassle of getting an SP trial to work when they end up with a marked video and the problems inherent to the trials. $58 for the purchase of a program of this quality is a "no brainer".
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64026402
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3. October 2004 @ 05:30 |
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There is always the possibility that it is a cracked program in which case they still should go buy the retail CCE.
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3. October 2004 @ 06:59 |
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jdobbs
Aw, now I will wonder what it is that you've deleted.
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dude051
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3. October 2004 @ 08:31 |
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As brobear said, it does seem to be my system maintence habits right now. Lastnight after my burn failed again, I restarted thinkin that would fix it. But it didn't. I currently have an AMD 2100+ with a Gigabyte GA-7VKML mobo, 512mb of ram, about 10gb of free space with my working drive for dvd-rb and about 2gigs on my C drive (shouldnt affect my swap file is what I was thinking). I run norton anti-virus once a week, and run Spybot S&D with spyware blaster to pick up stuff. What I know I haven't done in a while is defragmented... this is probably my fault here. [edit]Although... I am beginning to question my media. Last night I made an iso out of the VOB files created from DVD-RB, and burned it to a different media, Sonic 2x-4x media (Media code MUST-001) which I use for everything but DVD backups; and the burn was perfect. I returned this morning and burnt to my more expensive media (Memorex 4x DVD+R InkJet Printable Media, the same media that all my other burns messed up on... a total of 1 out of 6 disc success so far), and the burn had the same aparent problems as before. I ran a defrag during the middle of the night... this raises more and more questions to me... [edit]
On the note of buying retail CCE. This is only about the 3rd dvd I have recompressed using DVD-RB in the past maybe 2 months. I am still trying everything out and plan to purchase the $59 CCE. Thanx for the help.
wakka wakka hiff *dead*
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3. October 2004 @ 10:22 |
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dude051...thanks for posting your system specs. Your problems are fundamental in nature. Also, most people have tried other transcoders before RB-CCE, and have ironed out what is required to get a good transcode/backup. There are some things you need to look at before expecting any kind of quality backup.
First, 10 GB of disc space just isn't enough. For a 6.5 GB DVD, you will need 6.5 GB for the Decrypter/Shrink files, and then another 8 to 10 GB for the CCE encode. And if you fill the remainder of the drive with these files, they will be fragmented for sure...which will make it hard to get a good burn. I somehow think that you have more hdd space, or you couldn't have gotten this far.
Second, your choice of media (Memorex) will continue to give you jerky videos. You need to get a quality brand like Ritek or Ridata from an online source like newegg.com or meritline.com. There is problably more info on the subject of media choice here at AD than any other topic.
Third, make sure that Windows isn't managing your page file. You need to manually set this, and an acceptable value is 4000 MB for Min and Max. You will definitely need more HDD space at this point.
RB-CCE will give supurb results, and it is worth the effort to get the other things right.
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dude051
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3. October 2004 @ 10:37 |
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Yes, I have tried other transcoders. Actually, before DVD-RB I used to manualy do what it is doing using videohelp.com's bitrate calculator w/ TMPGEnc and IFOEdit to edit the transcoded video back in. I have a pretty good general knowledge of mpeg encoding.
As for my hardrive space, im sorry I should have worded it better. By my "working" drive, I meant that the files created by DVD-RB, not including the original VOB files I ripped prior to another hardrive, had about 10gb to work with. I realize I should still have more avaliable on that drive, but thats what I have to work with at this moment. But 10gigs should be sufficient, as the CCE transcoded files should take 4gigs at the most, since it does not transcode menus and what not, because of this I believe the CCE files usualy run at around 3.5gigs - 4gigs. After that the final reconstruction comes to about 4.3 gigs. This is why 10gigs seemed fine to me.
I am 100% with you on the media though. My judjement was bad there, I will probably never get Memorex again. Im going to go get some Ritek right now actually heh.
And yes, I manage my own swap file, mainly because the way windows manages it.. it interferes with the photoshop swap file. So to keep the two playin nicely, I separate them onto separate drives and manage their usage. Thanks for the help.
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3. October 2004 @ 11:00 |
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CCE transcoded files should take 4gigs
The average size of a RB/CCE encode is about 4.32 gigs but you also have to include another 3 gigs or more for the resulting D2VAVS files. Then there's your original movie which could be 4.3 to over 8 gigs but lets say 5 gigs. that's 5 plus 7.5 which totals to over 12 gigs to do a single encode.
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dude051
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3. October 2004 @ 11:36 |
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By me sayin
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CCE transcoded files should take 4gigs
I meant the 3-4gigs of the encoded CCE files (D2VAVS) without the final rebuilding process which is 4.32gigs. Still though, your math came to the point that it will take only around 7.5gigs after both of the last stages are completed(with the assumption that the original movie resides on another drive like I said). Correct me if I am wrong though.
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3. October 2004 @ 12:05 |
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No you're essentially right with your source files on a separate drive. I read you expressing that only 10 gigs of working space was enough. I just deleted a RB/CCE encoded folder and it was 7.83 gigs as windows reads it and over 8 gigs as Decrypter reads it. It doesn't leave much to play with on a 10 gig working space.:)
Keep in touch and let us know how it all comes out.
Cheers!
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64026402
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3. October 2004 @ 12:10 |
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That leaves less than 2 gigs. I get worried when I'm down to my last 20.
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3. October 2004 @ 12:11 |
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dude051...the point I was trying to make is that in my own experience, when I've reached the limits of available HDD space, I got jerky burns. The only way I found to solve the problem was to get more HDD space.
EDIT: I didn't see 6402's post (below) before making mine, and so I would add here that I too get concerned when I'm less than 20 GB. I have also found that regardless of how the page file is set up, files frag all over the drive when there is a minimal amount of HDD space left.
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3. October 2004 @ 12:24 |
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And the cavalry arrives.
Hey guys!
If the last thread (referred to as the monster thread)is any indication then this one will end at 1400 Posts, and it won't take long to get there with all of us around. The question is should we let it go right here, we've answered so questions and provided so many solutions to so many problems that seemed to have no end.
Have we peaked?
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3. October 2004 @ 12:28 |
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Personally, I think that this thread still provides a valuable service.
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3. October 2004 @ 12:41 |
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Doc it does provide a valuable service, it's as good a thread as there ever was and it will likely be made a sticky that will remaim for some time along with the "Which Trasncoding Tools Produce The Best Picture Quality."
But what I was getting at is that when that happens do we all move on?
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64026402
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3. October 2004 @ 12:51 |
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I think 2 or 3 more trial SP problems and we'll be at 1400.
This thread will be useful until CCE/DVDrebuilder gets a section.
Donald
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3. October 2004 @ 12:57 |
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Good point Donald, I wonder why it hasn't been given its own section already. I think that these two threads back to back should be a clue.
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Schaf1945
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3. October 2004 @ 14:20 |
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Thanks fellas for the answers to my Goodie problem. Here's another. Since purchasing CCE Basic have never had a problem until the other day. A friend had loned me his copy of SP v2.67.00.27 so I could see if I could tell any difference between 2 passes and 3. Well, using RB 0.62 I couldn't, though every time I looked at the info boxes while CCE was transcoding I only ever saw pass 1/2 never pass 1/3. But that is digressing. I had just successfully transcoded my Cabaret DVD using the marvellous option in RB convert 4:3 to 16:9 (because the DVD is widescreen non-anamorphic) - perfect result. Then I tried to "shrink" a home movie compilation (about 7GB). About 2/3 through the 2nd phase I received my first buffer under-run error 00004. So I changed the RB setting to point to Basic 2.69 but got the same error at the same point again! Then I tried IC8 - it crashed part way through. But would you believe it Shrink 3.2 worked perfectly! I hope this helps rather than hinders jdobbs.
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jdobbs
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3. October 2004 @ 14:57 |
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Download the newest version of DVD-RB (v0.63) just posted. It fixes a boatload of possible things (based upon my testing).
BTW -- it never helps to compare DVD-RB to Shrink. They are so different in the way they work that wondering why one works when the other fails is like trying to decide how many pancakes it takes to cover a doghouse.
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jdobbs
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3. October 2004 @ 15:15 |
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originally posted by SocratesQuote:
Aw, now I will wonder what it is that you've deleted.
It was a goofy response that I realized didn't actually apply to the question that was asked. I though it would be better to edit it to say [DELETED] than leave what I'd said.
Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a moron than to speak up and prove it.
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3. October 2004 @ 15:21 |
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Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a moron than to speak up and prove it.
I do pretty well with the second approach, but I may be the exception ;)
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dude051
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3. October 2004 @ 15:37 |
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dude051...the point I was trying to make is that in my own experience, when I've reached the limits of available HDD space, I got jerky burns. The only way I found to solve the problem was to get more HDD space.
Ah yes, im sorry.. i get exactly what all of you are saying. But im not sure if I can help it too much :( . I really thank all of you for your help.
And DVD-RB / CCE should have its own category, and untill then this post is a great means of answers. I know I went through the previous post and learned some things about dvd-rb I didnt already know. So keep it around untill it is able to spawn its own section (which would be really awesome) Thanx again
wakka wakka hiff *dead*
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3. October 2004 @ 16:18 |
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It was a goofy response
Sheesh, I would have felt out of place if I didn't quote someone. Yes jdobbs, I've been there more times than I'd care to count.
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