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Experiencing Difficulty Using DVD RB and CCE? If So, Then Ask Your Questions Here.
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AfterDawn Addict
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7. October 2004 @ 18:01 |
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This just demonstrates how little I know about RB. I think that it's difficult for RB to keep the entire movie if its multi angled/interleaved because the applications that RB needs to work with can?t do them. That?s why I think that DVD2DVD-R swings to the other extreme and offers a movie only choice. Because a movie only backup bypasses multi angles and interleaves thus removing the problem or I don?t think that it would work with them either.
Jdobbs be gentle, I stated how little I knew about RB.
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7. October 2004 @ 18:08 |
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LOL, Since I know even less about RB than you, I acquiesce.
(I can't build a car either, But I can D_ _n sure drive one,LOL)
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7. October 2004 @ 18:12 |
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I can't build a car either, But I can D_ _n sure drive one,LOL
Hmm! I don't drive a car, I terrorize the freeways with them. I just can't understand speed limits under 80MPH, so I know I don't want to drive it if I built it. LOL
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spamlover
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10. October 2004 @ 23:17 |
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Hi guys. I need your help/suggestions. Here's the deal: I've copied three brand new DVD's (Hannibal, Red Dragon, Man on Fire) using the following method:
1. Decrypted main movie only (no compression) using Shrink.
2. Ran the movie files thru DVD-RB .62 and CCE 2.69
3. Burned VIDEO_TS files via CloneDVD 2.
All the burned discs have major audio and video skips simultaneously.
Do you guys have any suggestions?
Thanks, Marc
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10. October 2004 @ 23:42 |
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At the top of the list are two things...
First, you might have a media problem. I just burned two copies of the same movie on Ridata media using two discs next to each other on the spindle, and one was perfect, the other had major synch and freeze problems.
Second, if you didn't have enough hard drive space to safely handle all three movies, you could have gotten into a fragged drive situation, and this can result in choppy burns.
EDIT: Add on. A burner without updated firmware could also be responsible for burn problems.
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10. October 2004 @ 23:58 |
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That's a good point on the fragged drive doc, but doesn't it seem a lot of people are experiencing this result when using shrink 1st before going into RB/CCE, especially as opposed to DRM?
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11. October 2004 @ 04:39 |
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Well, I didn't want to be the first to say it, but yes. I had problems with Shrink from the get-go, and stopped using it. The thing is, I've also had intermittent problems with other transcoders...like IC8 and DVDCopy2 that others didn't seem to have, so I just figured it was bad luck. :)
With Shrink, it would work sometimes, and not others...and rather than wait until the end of the process to find out, I just went to Remake. I would suggest to anyone using Shrink to always check the final video_ts before burning.
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Gnomex
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11. October 2004 @ 07:17 |
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Doc409,
I never had a problem using DVD Shrink as a ripper. However, defragmenting my hard drive is a norm in terms of system up-keep. Any hard drive that is badly fragmented will slow down data transfers. And on todays faster burners,someone is asking for problems.
Oddly, DVD-Shrink at one time fixed a problem I had with DVDRemake. The test of time finds solutions to all.
Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors.
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11. October 2004 @ 09:44 |
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Gnomex...thanks for stepping forward on this. It's good to know that Shrink has always been good to you, because I certainly like recommending it as an editor to people trying RB-CCE for the first time. Many have already used Shrink, and it supplies the familiarity they need to make the transition.
Part of the benefit of a forum like this is that one gets to see certain trends develop, and I think Big-O may have spotted one...and did the right thing by bringing it up. I would also point out that Big-O played a significant role in the final stages of Shrink beta testing, and so I would think he would also be reluctant to jump to any wrong conclusions about Shrink.
What this comes down to is what kind of advice to you give people that used Shrink and ended up with a bad burn? Do you tell them to try running an unedited Decrypter file through to see if it comes out OK ... because this seems to be the acid test of whether RB-CE is working properly? Or, do you just assume that "Shrink can do no wrong" and look for something else?
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Gnomex
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11. October 2004 @ 10:49 |
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Doc409,
While I have had a good experience with DVD Shrink. This statement does not mean the software does not have some undiscovered problems. Beta testing helps remove this limitation, but its never perfect. As an example consider 321 products and the list of software conflicts that were made after public release of there products.
DVD Decryptor is the common acid test to check ones burns, due to its popularity. However, this benchmark test maybe unrealistic tomorrow as new anti-rip methods are developed.
Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors.
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11. October 2004 @ 11:12 |
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Do you tell them to try running an unedited Decrypter file through to see if it comes out OK ... because this seems to be the acid test of whether RB-CE is working properly
I think you've stated it exactly Doc, for all newcomers to the RB/CCE method of backup I would suggest using just that exactly and after success with that, then and only then branch out with other editing apps whether it be shrink or remake. You've got to learn to crawl before you can walk.
DVD Decryptor is the common acid test to check ones burns, due to its popularity. However, this benchmark test maybe unrealistic tomorrow as new anti-rip methods are developed.
I wouldn't ever give up on DVD Decrypter, it has always been constantly updated, infact 4 times in as many weeks just recently.
Not to mention the aggressive settings that has already been implemented such as:
1. In DVD Decrypter, go to "Tools", "Settings", and then whatever you're using either the File Mode tab OR the ISO Read Mode tab and "tick" "Remove PUO's" - try either the IFO, BUP, PUO's OR the VOB PUO's
2. In DVD Decrypter, go to "Tools", "Settings", General tab, on the bottom left it will say "Removal Method" choose "Aggressive".
3. in DVD Decrypter, go to "Tools", "Settings" then choose the CSS tab, under CSS Cracking Method, mark the spot that says "Brute Force -> I/O Exchange".
These "adjustments to DVD Decrypter should "Crack" just about anything out there today EXCEPT maybe the ARccOS copy protection, but if used in conjunction with AnyDVD's new copy protection due to unreadable errors one should be able to get around that also.
Decrypter has always seemed to evolve as the changes warrant and I think it will continue to do so.
Lately, even when using shrink I've had to use decrypter 1st becuase shrink has "encountered an error and cannot continue". I don't know whether this is due to new or tougher copy protection, but it seems to me that the shrink 3.1 ripped better than the current 3.2 altho in every other aspect the new version is far superior.
As for me I think any editing that needs to be done will be used with DRM when using RB/CCE. ;>)
GO VOLS !
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jdobbs
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11. October 2004 @ 11:13 |
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@spamlover
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2. Ran the movie files thru DVD-RB .62 and CCE 2.69
You need to get the latest DVD-RB... I can't debug versions that are in the past! ;-)
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Gnomex
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11. October 2004 @ 11:47 |
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bigorange,
May DVD Decryptor continue to change and be the great application it is. DVD Decryptor is a must have for anyone ripping a movie for DVD-RB today. The best part is its free and the author is always updating it.
With all the great tools out on the market to process movies. The movie companies should just give up fighting. LOL
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11. October 2004 @ 12:05 |
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jdobbs
STUPID,STUPID,STUPID. I have done a very STUPID thing,LOL. I bought the entire James Bond Collection, a total of 20 Bond classics and started backing them up using RB version 62, not 62a. I had DL'd 62a but forgot to install it over 62.
When I saw your post I suddenly remembered right in the middle of a batch process doing 3 of them and I've already done 3 for a grand STUPID total of 6.
Here's my question, has everyone using v.62 experienced the audio/video skips or just a few? Are you sure you can't debug past versions? LOL
Gnomex I hear ya! lol ..;>)
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spamlover
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11. October 2004 @ 12:21 |
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Hi guys. On the three movies that I burned using Shrink and then DVD-RB .62/ CCE Basic 2.69, they all played fine when I played them back in DVD Shrink. No audio skips whatsoever.
Whenever I've burned an entire DVD using Decrypter and DVD-RB/CCE, i've had no problems at all.
What does this suggest in terms of where the problem lies? Seems like DVD Shrink to me.
I am going to defrag my hard drive, use DVD-RB .63a and burn thru IC8 or Nero (I usually use CloneDVD 2), as possible solutions. I'll update you guys. I'm glad these discs are not $10.00 a pop like DL DVD+R discs.
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11. October 2004 @ 12:26 |
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At less than .50 each it's not the cost I mind for sure, it's the time! Altho for the most part I do thoroughly enjoy doing this kind of work, too bad I can't get paid for it. lol...;>)
sooo, spamlover, are you saying you experienced no audio/video skips using v.62 just using RB/CCE without editing?
GO VOLS !
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11. October 2004 @ 12:28 |
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Too much to comment on but I glad to see everyone still slugging it out. I know its not news that I too think that Decrypter is the best and I've experimented with the agressive settings as recently as the Ned Kelly annoyance. I also use shrink for a little rip and editing and to get an idea of the DVD's structure to see if it's a job for Remake. I experienced a problem with RB 62. it had been so long since I've any problem with RB that I looked at it for a moment stunned. I then quickly shot a basket into the kitchen trash, went to doom9 downloaded the latest version, and never looked back.
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11. October 2004 @ 12:31 |
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soph, did you do any editing with your v.62 or just a straight run with RB/CCE? I may be shooting 6 baskets.:>(
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11. October 2004 @ 12:32 |
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spamlover...there are a lot of variables. IF it played in Shrink OK, then you should be looking at your burner, a firmware update, and whether your standalone player likes -R or +R media.
As an additional note, I prefer Nero because it offers a burn log, and you can also run a check after the burn. I think I'm into a stack of poor media, and this is useful.
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11. October 2004 @ 12:37 |
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11. October 2004 @ 12:42 |
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'Didn't know vurbal had started a media thread. ZI'll look for it. The media is branded Ridata +R inkjet white. I just finished a 50 pk of -R without a problem.
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11. October 2004 @ 12:46 |
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bigo
No I didn't do any editing of any kind just the full movie (A Long Came A Spider). When a film is under 7 gigs I see no point in editing it unless its loaded with unwanted trailers. I expereinced another problem with Peter Gabriels Secret World Live and I'm still getting the same problem with RB 63a. Everything encodes fine up to the menu but when the concert starts the entire picture turns into horizontal lines. I reviewed my settings which were fine for the last 100 plus movies and then ripped it over and tried it again with the same results. It'll give me somthing to work on.
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11. October 2004 @ 12:55 |
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still getting the same problem with RB 63a
do you mean 62a or am i that far behind?
I may just go back to v.58, never had a problem with it,heh heh.
BTW, thanx for the input, I'm scared to death I'm gonna have to do all 6 over, dang!!! :>(
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11. October 2004 @ 12:59 |
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Sophocles... ...I'm wondering what another transcoder would do? How about doing a 20 minute test...and run it through DVD2One using a rewritable?
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11. October 2004 @ 13:14 |
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Doc
I ran both movies through DVDcop2 and they both work fine. I think that there was a structure flaw in the spider movie but there's somthing else going on with Gabriels. When I did Peter Gabriel I also did 2 others using batch processing and the other two came out just fine. I ran it through IFOEdit to see if it would give me a clue but nothing that would exlain it so far so I'm still looking.
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