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Calm and Quiet, Peaceful Console Debate Thread.
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8. August 2006 @ 15:48 |
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360 HD-DVD drive is now known more of.
wheres the hdmi? oh thats right. i guess after ict they wont be hd anymore. hello 540p :)
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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dblbogey7
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8. August 2006 @ 16:01 |
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ICT is currently not implemented in HD-DVD and BluRay and it's been said that it won't be until 2010 at the earliest. At present you can get 720p or 1080i thru component from any HD-DVD or BluRay movie. You should be able to watch BluRay movies in high def on the cheaper PS3 using component.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060521-6880.html
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there is reportedly a behind-the-scenes, unofficial agreement between Hollywood and some consumer electronics manufacturers, including Microsoft and Sony, not to use ICT until 2010, or possibly even 2012.
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error5
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8. August 2006 @ 16:49 |
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IMO the first one who implements the ICT flag will be the one that loses the format war.
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dblbogey7
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8. August 2006 @ 17:11 |
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Neither side wants to exclude those who have the first gen component-only HD sets from the market.
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8. August 2006 @ 19:05 |
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@dblbogey7
yes, till then. but after you'll have a 200-300 dollar paperweight sitting on your 360. ict is enacted by the fcc i believe, any next gen dvd camp doesnt decide when it wants it. they will be forced. HD-DVD on 360 post-ict is worthless. by then bluray will have dominated it (if trends continue).
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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dblbogey7
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8. August 2006 @ 19:14 |
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ICT implementation is left to the content provider not the FCC. No one can force content providers to implement it or not:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc
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The decision to set the flag to restrict output ("down-convert") is left up to the content provider. According to CED Magazine, Sony/MGM and Disney currently have no plans to down-convert, and Fox is opposed to it as well. Warner Pictures is a proponent of the ICT, and it is expected that Paramount will also implement it [9]. Other studios releasing Blu-ray content have not yet commented on whether or not they will use down-conversion. AACS guidelines require that any title that implements the ICT must clearly state so on the packaging.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD
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The decision to set the flag to restrict output ("down-convert") is left to the content provider. Warner Pictures is a proponent of ICT, and it is expected that Paramount and Universal will implement down-conversion as well [8]. As of March 2006, 5 of the 6 studios releasing HD DVD content have announced they will not use ICT/down-conversion for the time being [9]. AACS guidelines require that any title that implements the ICT must clearly state so on the packaging.
The AACS License Administrator (not the FCC) sets the guidelines pertaining to outputs over analog connections:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Access_Content_System
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8. August 2006 @ 19:24 |
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"Sony Pictures Entertainment has publicly stated that its Blu-ray discs will not carry the ICT; some other studios have indicated that they will follow suit. This means that at least, some of the first Blu-ray discs will be viewable at full high-definition resolution for all HDTV owners. In a similar manner, Universal Studios has indicated that for the time being, they won't down-sample content on their HD-DVD discs.
Be aware however, that not all content providers will follow on the footsteps of Sony and Universal. For example, Warner Pictures - a proponent of ICT - has signaled that it will implement down-conversion on 'at least' some of its initial HD-DVD discs. Further more, those studios that will not implement ICT, are under no obligation to maintain their present position indefinitely, so do not be surprised to see ICT implemented across-the-board within a few years time - especially once the present format war between Blu-ray and HD-DVD is over, and equally important, once the penetration of compliant HDTV sets reaches the right level."
why would anyone really want an add-on player anyway? just another money driven gimmick. HD-DVD releases support 1080p yet the toshiba HD-A1 player doesnt, and neither will this add-on. go figure.
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error5
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8. August 2006 @ 19:29 |
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Sony Pictures is playing it smart. Like I said - the side that first implements ICT on a majority of its titles is the one that's going to lose the format war.
The 360 may have an ace up its sleeve though:
http://gear.ign.com/articles/717/717772p1.html
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8. August 2006 @ 19:36 |
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"do not be surprised to see ICT implemented across-the-board within a few years time - especially once the present format war between Blu-ray and HD-DVD is over, and equally important, once the penetration of compliant HDTV sets reaches the right level"
i think that is a very realistic statement, and wouldn't surprise me
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8. August 2006 @ 19:41 |
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8. August 2006 @ 19:56 |
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@error5
we've talked of that before. no one really knows if its real or not or if it would even be done either way. maybe early 360 adapters would get kinda mad.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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dblbogey7
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8. August 2006 @ 20:15 |
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I'm not taking sides in this argument but here's my take on the whole ICT situation: Movie studios and content providers are notorious for doing whatever will make them more money. When they realize that the 360 add on is limited to analog then they will naturally think twice about implementing ICT and alienating those who buy the add on. Bottom line is they lose potential customers for their discs if they implement ICT. Market forces are at work here and you can be sure MS will also try to persuade content providers. Remember, this also works for BluRay and for those who get stuck with the cheaper version of the PS3. You see Sony as strongly anti-ICT since they know that the cheaper PS3 is limited to analog. The penetration of compliant HDTV's may continue to increase but that may not be the deciding factor in the long run. It may be the 360 add on drive and the $499 PS3 that will eventually decide if and when ICT is implemented.
Just my opinion.
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8. August 2006 @ 20:50 |
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that thread is definately well informed and noted. a couple things i never really looked into or thought about. its still very early in this format war, so we'll see how things play out when more players release. sony with the ps3 could try and influence other studios to take a similar stance as the ps3 comes with the standard drive, but to me the only way m$ really could try doing the same is if the add on is a fairly big success. otherwise what reason would studios have to follow suit? of course the same can be said about sony and the ps3.
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dblbogey7
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9. August 2006 @ 04:35 |
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@hade: I agree. You can bet the studios and content providers will be watching the hardware sales figures very closely before deciding on ICT. MS may have a stronger influence in the HDDVD camp due to the limited hardware support there (Toshiba and RCA). Regarding the 1080p issue: It was actually that last deinterlacing step - 1080i to 1080p by the Genesis/Faroudja chip - that caused the video softening and loss of detail in the Samsung player. This could not be bypassed. The Toshiba's 1080i output was actually an advantage since it was our own 1080p displays that did thay last deinterlacing and did a better job at it. We're eagerly anticipating the next batch of BluRay players since these will have the more advanced Sigma designs chip intead of the Genesis. Like Ced said in that thread - hopefully a true 1080p pass-through can be possible.
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9. August 2006 @ 10:44 |
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When they realize that the 360 add on is limited to analog then they will naturally think twice about implementing ICT and alienating those who buy the add on.
but the 360 addon probably wont be purchased by a majority of 360 fans or HD-DVD wannabe users. this area does not matter much, and they will see that. it would only effect ms negtively if they were to enact it.
now with bluray, its internal to the ps3. you'r putting it in ever early addopting sony fanboys house and eery adopter to come with every sale. that a much larger number of people. plus sony wont want their 20 gig ps3 being alienated, and since they own the format they can push the movie studios themselves into delay of ict with cash or something.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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9. August 2006 @ 10:51 |
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And for the movie game tie-ins (the good ones like spiderman) you can get both on one disk and switch when you're ready.
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9. August 2006 @ 10:56 |
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i think they should throw in a 1st party movie with the ps3 models to promote usage. people will be all "well i already have one, why not get another." especially when people come over and see the one bluray film on the shelf and are all "omg you only have one? get more!"
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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9. August 2006 @ 11:00 |
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For real they might jsut try that.
I think i saw an ad too from sony that said they're packing a free copy of 5th eliment with thier stand alone BRD player. They could do something like that with ps3. Pack a movies and some game trailers on the disk and sell it with ps3. Maybe as a holiday deal
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9. August 2006 @ 11:19 |
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anything to promote sales ethically
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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JudyChick
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9. August 2006 @ 12:44 |
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ict is enacted by the fcc i believe, any next gen dvd camp doesnt decide when it wants it. they will be forced.
get your facts straight - the fcc has nothing to do with ict. and no one can force sony or any other studio to enact the ict flag in their bluray discs.
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dblbogey7
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9. August 2006 @ 12:56 |
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No need to get excited JudyChick. I already pointed out his error a few posts back ;)
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9. August 2006 @ 12:59 |
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yeah i said "i believe" about the fcc, i didnt know for sure. but i know now. even then so, arnt all signals by around 2009 being forced to be digital? even our cable company said basic cable will be non-existant by then and you'll need a digital cable box.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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dblbogey7
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9. August 2006 @ 13:03 |
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The FCC regulates radio, TV, satellite and cable. It has no jurisdiction over non-broadcast digital media for example in disc form.
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Blaze87
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9. August 2006 @ 19:22 |
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meh, is the quality THAT much of a big deal to get excited over, i must be living under a rock, an dont know IMHO what the big deal in quality is,........wen i get my ps3 (after selling a few internal organs an, who really needs 2 kidneys) i'm probly gonna be laying it on my SD tv. doubt i'll hav the money for a HDTV till i'm out of college an have a steady job.
question.
since the ps3 has that cool web browser , an it basically is a PC [Kutaragi] , does any1 know if i could download stuff like MSN msngr, and use Skype with a bluetooth mic, or download bittorent games and movies, and watch them, and play them. or Get a bluetooth keyboard and mouse and play doom 3, or sims 2 and all its expansions.
What exactly are the limits?
i Hope sony doesnt impose too many mod/homebrew restrictions with fimware updates and other such s#!t like with the psp
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10. August 2006 @ 01:38 |
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wat so special bout 360? and ps3? they're only game consoles but computer is different u can up grade it but but in the end i still want a ps3 cause of ff13
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