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Ps3 and Xbox 360, a war to come..
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24. April 2006 @ 08:39 |
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the 360 is nothing next gen at all. slow ram, slow loading, dvd, muilticore processor. the only thing new and fast is the graphics card, which really issnt even that great.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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@anubis
so i guess the nintendo and ps3 arent next gen either because the 360 has better graphics than the revoulution and equal to or better graphics than the ps3 from the screenshots and videos avaible.nintendo is the most innovative with its new controller and usage of it,the ps3 is just a next gen dvd player with a video game system thrown in there as a bonus to promote the Blu-ray technology.the games will not even be enhanced with any sort of real improvement by the Blu-ray discs either than space which for now is completely useless and extraneous.i'll admit some games are slow with load times but on the other hand some are faster than in previous generation games.saying the 360 graphics having improved form the other consoles that came before is like saying 720p inst any better than 480p or HDTV isnt better than old school television. why is it people are not grapsing that the 360 isnt even using one half of its capabilties? do you seriously thinkg mae developers will have the ps3's potential completely figured out/maxed out at launch...not likely(bout a 1% chance of that). so please use your brain when accessing a new system on the market,its the first batch of the 360's out there for the most part and just like the ps2 had it has some problems,get over it. i cant wait til the ps3 comes out and then you all go through minor problems and u hypocritically turn your head as all sony fans do when they get smacked in the face with the truth...tehy just ignore it and proceed loving that song co*k. i might lose my mind if i hear another bias sony cultlike opinon about how the 360's graphics arent even good.it just seems like sony fans pick out whatever is different or wrong with other console at the time and harp on them, u complain of loading times and speed. the xbox had faster load times and better graphics than the ps2 that didnt seem to bother u, now that teh ps3 might be faster in terms of loading times your all over that garbage.get off the fence in terms of what u like in a console,its kinda fake and only shows ur sony bias
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24. April 2006 @ 09:59 |
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i give up trying to explain, i will be back on this forum when e3 is on and everyone will see what xbox 360 really can do.
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24. April 2006 @ 15:10 |
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360 and ps3 will be very similar in terms of graphic power. and they're both next gen. also, RAM isn't an issue with either systems as it was with the xbox and ps2.
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24. April 2006 @ 15:16 |
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@cmk0121 - did u NOT read the whole post? did i not criticise BOTH consoles. both consoles have its ups and downs. jebuz! im saying I shall buy the ps3 over the xbox 360. and the other post
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have u seen the controller? its a friggen remote control >_< . how can u play games with that? imagine u holding a remote control for ur tv, playing games on it, with a d-pad/analogue stick. it may be a prototype, but its a bad concept. cmk0121, if u want me to be bias i can be. i can be SOOOO biotchy about this, and back up all my cases... but im not. hate being biased. read my post again without thinkin im a sony boy, and you shall read that im not biased. i jus say i would prefer ps3 over 360 MYSELF. also, how can a blu ray disc NOT enhance gameplay? have u ever installed games onto your computer where it asks you to choose what packages (eg. soundtracks, world maps, etc) you want to install on your computer? it took up more room if you want to install more, rite? same deal with blu ray. i could rant HEAPSA more if i research my things, but this is what i know of now. these are actual facts (seems like im repeating myself). and dude, i at least want some backward compatible things, cauz i dont waste more money. isnt it more convenient, you find, if things are backward compatible. sorry, but i aint as loaded as u. plus... use a spell checker, it may help you ^_^
@rabbity: i dont think 360 is the same as 360 XD . but anywayz... xbox and xbox 360 DOES have its changes, obviously. its an upgrade of it, so of course its better. a HOLY CRAP good GPU >_< . i saw the realism on nba live 06. on HDTV, you can see the texture of the sweat XD . friend showed me, and i waz like... beh :P . i think thats the only good think bout 360. thing that turned me off (and i have to repeat myself JUST for u) was the controllers arent backward compatible. it sould at least make some compatibility there. its buying a WHOLE new console. cant use much from xbox, xept the games. psx and ps2 made the effort to make thing backward compatible. i used the old cables and controllers from my psx cauz the ps2 cables i got were chat >_< . picture kept fading and stuff. meebe cauz my mum stepped on it :S . and like i said to cmk0121, IM NOT BEING BIASED HERE!!! i jus prefer sony over MS, ps over xbox. and did i say xbox 360 was crap? did i EVER mention 360 waz crap? NO! so dont make stuff up, fool.
@anubis66: is that an actual fact, cauz ill keep that in mind (about the slow ram, etc).
FOR THE RECORD!!!! i find ps is good for 1 player games, xbox for multiplayer games. < READ THIS BEFORE YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT ME!!! NOT BIAS HERE!!!
imo, and IMO, ps3 is a good example next gen console. 360 is better than the xbox, no doubt. the only MAJOR difference is the GPU. its made a great jump.
also, i trust the world of a senior member, rather than listen to nubz. sorry, but it shows what youre here for. if ur a nub, ur most probably here to biotch and whine in every single forum in regards to this. as least senior members have been thru a lot of threads, and been here longer.
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24. April 2006 @ 15:32 |
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r the ps2's controllers going to be compatible?if so why would u want to use them over the bluetooth.u spoke of me being rich or u not having money like me...some trash. but yet ur buying the console will is undeniably going to be the more expensive of the two consoles in almost facet...accessories and etc. gregii try that whole logic thing next time you come back at me.
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24. April 2006 @ 16:02 |
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isnt the bluetooth controller an optional feature? i would still use a wired controller. all my controllers (as well as keyboard and mouse) are corded. IMO, corded connections for anything is FAR RELIABLE than wireless. but wireless is more versatile and more practical. i would prefer a corded controller.
im not loaded either, but im saving up. itd b great for me to use a cord i alraedy have, instead of buying a new cord which costs more. wouldnt u.
the reason for the price tag is BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE A NEXT GEN CONSOLE. lets make sony make the console cheaper, bar the fact that a blu ray player cost MORE THAN $1000. why are you paying $800 for? does it ACTUALLY add up? i dont like spending money if im not getting what i pay for. thats y i build my own computers. IF need be, i guess i might as well pay the money. all comes down to 'if im bothered' :P . dang im lazy >_<
it seems like your attacking me head on, which i dont quite like. im trying to be as nice as i can, so please adhere to that if possible, nub :P
ill try the logic again > would you like to buy a brand new thing, or re-use what you have. if u SERIOUSLY cant understand this, go back to school. this is as BASIC as i can get.
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24. April 2006 @ 16:26 |
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u complain about me attacking u head on then u perpetuate the conversation with insults and calling me a nub and so on. just becasue u have taken more time at of ur life to post on this site makes u no better than me. i dont think that bluetooth is optional but i might be wrong about that. what happened last time sony tried to cram a dvd player into a console?let me answer that one for ya...laser readers burnt out on the system and systems would stop working. go ahead spend the money ur saving up on an unproven expensive technology that does NOTHING for the gaming at the current time.check out this website it might educate you on how Blu-ray is completely needless at the time for gaming purposes(space is extraneuos)...http://www.gamesfirst.com/?id=1132.i'll heed ur adive of not attacking you just becasue i dont want the thread to be closed over this nonsense. my only problem with what u said that u called unbias was that u said the 360 wasnt an upgrade and then went on to say it had great graphics for one game u had seen. thats like me complementing ps3 or whatever system then going on to bash it and claim that my complement was genuine not just a false front to hide my bias ways.so lets just be mature about this and not refer to eachother directly from now on...
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gregii
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24. April 2006 @ 17:04 |
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okay.. one more thing...
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and did i say xbox 360 was crap? did i EVER mention 360 waz crap?
did you answer that question? i NEVER said that in words, at all. this means im not shunning xbox out into the attic. im leaving room for it to sweep me off my feet. it hasnt done that yet. it COULD in the near future.
btw, you are a nub. it says next to your name ^_^ . so TECHNICALLY, i can call u that... right now, i think ur a nub cauz u just jumped in, so i dont know your background knowledge. so it seems like u joined AD JUUUUUST to post up like this? right now, ur a nub to me, but if it changes, then ill think differently from u. but atm, i think ur jus a nub talking big.
some advice for u... use paragraphs.
also, xbox 360 IS A DANG UPGRADE. why is it called xbox 360 then? it has upgrade... deR!! i kno that! its not a significant upgrade. THATS what im stressing.
i KNO FOR A FACT that xbox 360 does have better graphics. i kno that. i aint boasting. ITS TRUE! but i dont find a thing for graphics if theres no gameplay.
i wont refer directly to you after this thread, as per request. but dont assume what im saying. im being as unbiased as i can. i look for good and bad points in both. im leaning to ps cauz i havent had problems with it so far. its FULL legit. no probz at all. and im guessin u like xbox cauz ps has mucked up on u. so our personal experiences has lead us this way. but xbox hasnt done anything to me yet. ive never owned an xbox. i played an xbox via multiplayer with halo, xml 1 and 2, and DoA. but ive been with ps for awhile, which explains my what u say 'bias' view. xbox hasent been there that long, so its not in consideration for me.
when i say unbiased, its AS UNBIASED i can be. give me credit there? do i have to be PROPERLY UNBIASED? humans are imperfect breeds. im not perfect. sorry if im not properly unbiased. i really do. but this is the best i can do. understand that people arent perfect. dont pick on people that arent perfect, cauz thats taking on the human race. keep that in mind in your life jouney.
sorry going off track, but it needed to be explained.
anywayz, picking off the last post: i thought 360 had a better graphics card. something to do with an extra 'thing' that nvidia has not released. read it somewhere, and forgot :P . jus rememba 360 kicks arse in graphics. but meh for that. cant wait for ffxii and DMC. gameplay on those are... >_< (best adjective i can use :P ), IMO.
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24. April 2006 @ 17:28 |
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you really think ram issnt a matter here? have you EVER played madden 06 and/or oblivion on the 360..sloooooooooow as omfg. (those are the only two games ive played, and watching cod2 at a friends load was just as bad.) and you cannot say the 360 is better in any way, the ps3 is not out yet. especially graphically, you ever really see a ps3 in action to compare and to truly say that the 360 is better? no, so if i were you id be quiet.
the videos they showed for ps3 are better than the 360. yes they were prerendered but they were running off the dev kit, so keep in mind that if you can get that detail off of the dev kit just wait for the real thing.
it may not have free aa but aa issnt much of a hastle, especially the 4xaa the 360 can do, only loses maybe 4 fps. the ps3 will be running over 120 fps in games like fear, so dont think that a slight drop from high aa and af is only about 20 fps. the human eye can only see 60 fps, so i doubt even 80-100 is going to matter
and sure it may not have unified mem architechture, but if you havnt noticed, all that means is the ram is shared by the gpu and cpu. that will slow down gaming when the ram needs to be accessed by both cpu and gpu. the ps3 dedicates 256 gddr3 to the video, and 256 xdr ram to the cpu. this means the gddr3 can denicated to the video outpus, and the cpu gets 3.2 ghz, 6.4 times faster and dedicated to cpu alone.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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25. April 2006 @ 03:49 |
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the ps3 isnt out so how bout we dont talk it up til we've actually played it.you keep saying madden has slow loading times,what are you on? i have madden and im not a fan of the 360's unfinished version of it but its not slow(loading times or otherwise).Obllivion i agree with you 100% that it is slow. i noticed that about 95% OF PEOPLE WHO BASH THE 360 SUCH AS YOU DONT OWN ONE AND ARE HARDCORE SONY FANS SO WHY WOULD ANYONE TAKE MERIT TO WHAT TO YOU OR THEY SAY?people like that go into playing the 360 with a negative approach hoping it will dissapoint them and with a predertermined outlook like that it does dissapoint them. i find it hard to believe that the 360 is worse in ALMOST every way as u pretty much say it is.why is it sony fans try to toss a bone out to MS and give it one crappy compliment then go on for four paragraphs bashing it then saying they are not bias? you dont think people on the forum believe your giving an unbias opinon do you?from now on when you speak you should preface your statements with "i love sony"...or maybe "SONY RULES" and then we will know where your coming from and where your ending up from the start. I never had xbox before the 360 i actaully owned ps2 which had good games but was a crapper.i also owned the gamecube and so on and so on.my point is i like the 360 becasue of quality reasons and not because im a MS fanboy whos been riding bill gates since day one.so lets be honest when we access a system, dont base ur judgement off playing it a few times and watching your friends games load..thats kinda corny
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25. April 2006 @ 20:48 |
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its safe to say most of the people you know who dont like the 360 or xbox for one reason or another dont have one. its only logical to not buy something you dont like or have interest in. seriously, not an argument.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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also, xbox 360 IS A DANG UPGRADE. why is it called xbox 360 then? it has upgrade... deR!! i kno that! its not a significant upgrade. THATS what im stressing.
rofl dumbest argument ive seen its an upgrade cause its called xbox360 ?
you can say same thing bout ps3 its an upgrade cause they just added a 3
oh no ><
by your logic they are both upgrades and the only next gen thing is Revolution cause it has a new name
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25. April 2006 @ 21:03 |
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It's true, people. There is nothing "next-gen" about the 360, (despite the fact that it will compete comparibly to the ps3 for the next 6 years) and the Revolution's controller is "just a remote". It's entire function can be analyzed simply by looking at it's shape.
Jesus. This thread just because the "retard haven" in less than a day.
Gregii just uttered a good page and a half of nonsense and stupidity.
The only thing worth addressing:
Anubis, any loading problems associated with RAM will be just as apparent on the ps3 as well, no?
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25. April 2006 @ 21:40 |
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no there wont. have you seen the info about xdr? the ram is 6.4 times faster than that in the 360, and its read/write times and system cpu bus bandwidth, im sure it will be nothing.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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why does it take so long for oblivion to load on x360 ,the loading times are horrible , i hope the ps3 version loads faster ,pls
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26. April 2006 @ 03:55 |
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alot of the reasons are is it uses that "on the fly" creating of objects using one of the 360's middlewares, just like how midi files work. it makes it smaller but less efficient.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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26. April 2006 @ 06:46 |
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also b/c they are not using all three cores yet, i think.
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26. April 2006 @ 10:43 |
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no, because the processor doesnt speed up ram and diask load times.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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ur a sony fan and ps2 had horrible loading times in comparison to the xbox so dont change ur prefernces all the sudden.it just seems a little fake to change what we like in a console to meet the a abilities of a company were obsessed with. graphics and load times are in the forefront of sony fans all the sudden when last gen it didnt matter wahtsoever it was all bout games...so if its the games that matter speak of games dont change it up fellas
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26. April 2006 @ 16:01 |
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yep.
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26. April 2006 @ 17:29 |
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Dont know why ppl hate on blue ray so much. Whats so bad about having alot of space on the disc? Its not gonna be useless at all. Of course the launch tittles wont fill up the whole disc right away but it will eventually. Why limit something to a small size??
Personally I like the PS3 better cuz it has alot of cool features. Too many to list so i wont, VS the 360 which is made for gaming only. Now i know ppl want to buy a console to play games and thats all and thats fine. But since were talkin about "next gen" then i think the PS3 is more next gen than any console.
I have to disagree with anubis on one thing even tho i usually agree with him. He says that 360 suck cuz madden and oblivion are slow and stuff. U cant really judge a console based on a few games. Its better to say that the game sucks VS the console sucks. There are hella gay games for all consoles that will surely bring them down. The right thing to do is to use great games to judge a console instead.
Anyways 360 may have better graphics card or RAM or whatever but thats about it. Straight up for games only. But ppl may want more out of a console than just straight up games. Its like saying PC is for work only so ur not suppost to watch movies and listen to music and all that other fun stuff. If PSP had games only i would not buy it. Same with PS3.
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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26. April 2006 @ 17:41 |
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yh that sounds about right, good post, its nice to hear from someone so unbaised.
oh but about the blue ray, well i do not think people hate it, i just think its nothing that special, i find blue tooth to be more valuable to a console.
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yes it had lower speed times but it was older and had a purpose, plus i owned it since 6th-7th grade and i being a kid could not get an xbox even tho i wanted to. for the 360 to be much slower than the ps3 is discracing, since its of the same gen.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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' ' Dont know why ppl hate on blue ray so much. Whats so bad about having alot of space on the disc? Its not gonna be useless at all. Of course the launch tittles wont fill up the whole disc right away but it will eventually. Why limit something to a small size??
Personally I like the PS3 better cuz it has alot of cool features. Too many to list so i wont, VS the 360 which is made for gaming only. Now i know ppl want to buy a console to play games and thats all and thats fine. But since were talkin about "next gen" then i think the PS3 is more next gen than any console.
I have to disagree with anubis on one thing even tho i usually agree with him. He says that 360 suck cuz madden and oblivion are slow and stuff. U cant really judge a console based on a few games. Its better to say that the game sucks VS the console sucks. There are hella gay games for all consoles that will surely bring them down. The right thing to do is to use great games to judge a console instead.
Anyways 360 may have better graphics card or RAM or whatever but thats about it. Straight up for games only. But ppl may want more out of a console than just straight up games. Its like saying PC is for work only so ur not suppost to watch movies and listen to music and all that other fun stuff. If PSP had games only i would not buy it. Same with PS3. ' '
yeah i am with you all i see on PS3 system is nothing but good thing's and new technology and my favorite games,if the ps3 is to last more years on the market than ps2 or psx. then i say sony is doing all the right steps.
ps3 will be a ''computer entertaiment system'' so it's going to be like a powerfull pc with most of your electronic entertainment needs
musik,video,movies,video games,internet ect. all in one box. a little bit similar to the psp.
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