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17. February 2006 @ 07:38 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
it wond be out fo a while. by chance does anyone know the file system on the ps2 hdd?

But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...

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17. February 2006 @ 12:15 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
a must read.
http://www.gdconf.com/conference/keynotes.htm#phil
ps3 will be shown more.

But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...

PS3 Username: Anubis66
zelda64
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17. February 2006 @ 12:28 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Yeah. I read that before. It sounds really good and I think Phil Harison is the right person to talk about the PS3 I think he is good at it like when showing the PS3 technical demo's at E3. Cant wait until March the 22 one day before the 360 is released here in Australia and I get to see what PS3 is really about before taking the plunge.
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17. February 2006 @ 13:00 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
@ Truthman & Kookoo

A few posts back I said I had some good information on the Cell Prossesor from a well known and respected PC magazine here in Australia called PC Authority. I have posted some quotes from the magazine that explain how it works with the pro's and con's. The great thing is that it's not biased and also has some good stuff on the pro's and cons of the 360 aswell that I will post later.
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Unlike generalised CPU's or specialised GPU's, however, the field-programmable grid arrays (FPGAs) used in reconfigurable computing can be programmed with a different instruction set depending on thier use. The announcement that Sony's Playstation 3 will be powered by a processor called the Cell, which incorporates multiple reconfigurable units, has brought the idea into the public eye.
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The Cell, for example, incorporates a control CPU based on a 64-bit PowerPC chip, plus eight FPGAs called synergistic processing units (SPUs). These nine elements talk to each other via a high-speed Element Interconnect Bus.
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It's still unclear exactly what will be inside the Playstation 3. Some have claimed it could incorporate as many as four Cell chips, but most reports give it a single Cell running at 3.2GHz. It will also have just seven of the eight SPUs activated to increase yeild. This allows one faulty SPU core per CPU, so more chips will pass manufacturing tests. Sony claims that the Cell makes the Playstation 3 more powerful than Deep Blue, the supercomputer that beat chess grandmaster Garry Kasparov in 1997.
Now you see where the Sony hype comes from about it being the equivilant to a super computer. Well there is loads more but I will post little bits at a time but please let me know what you all think.
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17. February 2006 @ 13:55 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
better than deep blue, ROFL. what a lie.

direct proof that sony really can lie their arse off.

zelda post those pro's and con's for the cell, then after a while (not all at once, take 2 long for u), like after a day, post what it says about the 360 Xenon, and its pro's and con's <according to the magasine>.

just checking:
anubis i didnt know you were 16. lol. u live in USA.
zelda, u like 25 approx, and live in australia, nice. guday m8. (LOL)
kookoo > ???????
rabbity > ????????
me (aka. truthman) 17 and a half, england, south yorkshire.
cant wait until im 18, beer, pubs, full on partying, the lot, hell yes!

anubis, i got the impression that you were like 18 when u became non biased, see how becoming fair makes you seem much older and more respected.

i hope the PS3 is showed off at this years E3 more.

Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......

Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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17. February 2006 @ 16:30 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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i hope the PS3 is showed off at this years E3 more.
Me too!!

aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh.....
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17. February 2006 @ 17:24 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hey, can some of you guys plz check out my site it would be awesome.
I NEED MODERATERS

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17. February 2006 @ 17:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
the site is at http://www.freewebs.com/brk-dnce-nt-hrts

sry bout that

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17. February 2006 @ 21:42 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
everybody, please wathc this, it is one of the coolest flash videos ive seen in a long time.
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/showdown

but back to the topic, what do you think will be shown at the gdc?

But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...

PS3 Username: Anubis66
lxhotboy
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17. February 2006 @ 23:44 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I didnot think that some of you were as young as you posted. I am 26. Will be 27 this year. I guess i will be a gamer for the rest of my life. Average age of ps2 user is about 25.
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18. February 2006 @ 00:01 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
well i am aka fazyninja, i am 18, from london. but i am moving over to america soon.

P.S. thruthman i thought you would have been older than me.










zelda64
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18. February 2006 @ 11:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Here is more from PC Authority on PS3's Cell CPU.
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Although FPGA technology has many benefits, there's one destinct drawback. Programming for reconfigurable chips is a lot more complicated. Whereas the fixed set of operations in a regular processor forces programmers to work around its limitations, the total freedom of the FPGA means that code is attempting to hit a constantly moving target.
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Not only does the programmer have to work out the best software routines to complete a task, but also the optimum state for the FPGA. Although the potential speed gains are clearly enormous, getting the combination wrong could have exactly the opposite effect. As we explained earlier, a specialised instruction is only useful for the intended code sequence. Faced with different operations it will either be perilously slow or of no use at all.
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Programming for the FPGA's requires a greater level of expertise and understanding than is currently required in software development. The programmer has to be an inventor of virtual chip microcode, not to mention the software that runs on it as well.
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18. February 2006 @ 12:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
i told you all didnt i.
it is exactly the programmers who get most of the sh*t when it comes to coding for the cell.
very complex and difficult.
direct proof that, nice one zelda.

rabbity, age is no proof at all, once someone reaches age 16, and done their education, they can sometimes know more than elder people who have completely forgot all their maths, science etc.
but it totally depends.
cannot judge on age.

computers are my biggest hobby, i look into so much stuff about them, a serious enthuisiast.
i study A-LEVEL computing (where lots of it is programming- most of the software part), but love hardware knowledge, hardware rocks, its software that i think is boring. but i do know lots about it (ish), but my best thign about software is that i know how to operate, operating systems very very well. like how to do things on windows, that people didnt even know that it could do, or had.
think of it as, a advanced general knowledge of how to use the OS.
although it isnt. i know about programming as well (a-level programming knowledge only)
but like i said, hardware is my thing.

rabbity, hehe, most people thign im well into my 20's when i speak of hardware in detail. then i reveal my real age, and its like, o golly gosh. only half a year yonger than u thou, not much really.

back to the point.
keep it coming zelda, info much appreciated
the PS3 better had some real suprises with it, things do look a little grim, kinda feel sorry for it. but only sony can be blamed for that.
its like sony adopted playstation, it seems that they werent its real parents, they are giving it some real grief. they need to fix it.


Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......

Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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18. February 2006 @ 12:47 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
ghost recon advanced warfighter single player video
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=9407&type=wmv
oofRome
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18. February 2006 @ 13:38 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I'm honestly not that impressed with anything anyone has ever said.
Except that one guy who came back in time from the future and posted on those time-travel forums. That guy was extreme.
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18. February 2006 @ 14:51 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Wow i missed alot
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Now you see where the Sony hype comes from about it being the equivilant to a super computer.
They said I has super computer ATRIBUTES. I told everyone that 10million times. They did relate it to an old supercomputer though did'nt they?

Ill edit this post once i finished reading the thread.

K Truthman, there is no need for a biography.
Noone has said that programing the cell is easy. We did say its much easier than the ps2. So then, its not *As* hard as you imply.
Once developers get used to it, it will be easy. It's just somthing new they ahve to get used to.

>_<

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zelda64
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18. February 2006 @ 15:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Here is some information from PC Authority on the Xbox 360.
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The CPU, codenamed Xenon, is a customised IBM PowerPC chip running three symmetrical cores at 3.2Ghz with 1MB of Level 2 cache, To make it even faster, each core actually runs two hardware threads, much like a Hyper-Threaded Pentium 4.
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The Xenon works in tandem with the Xenos, the ATI graphics processor and main memory controller. This is an entirely new architecture, understood to have little in common with the new R520 chip. For one thing, the 500MHz GPU contains 10MB of embedded DRAM, which apparently enables the Xenos to perform 4X anti-aliasing on a high-definition 1280 x 720 Progressive scan image. For another, where existing PC graphics parts still split thier pipelines into seperate vertex and pixel shaders, Xenos uses a unified shader architecture with three parallel groups of 16 shader units that can be allocated dynamically where needed. This doesn't quite make the Xenos the equivalent of a 48-pipeline GPU, but it's close.
Most that information we already know but there are some interesting points you should take a look at.
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18. February 2006 @ 16:21 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
my view on this, yes they have to find the best way to run things, but that means they can prioritize. also it means there are no set ways to do things, so they can program it optimally for what needs to be done. once someone gets the hang of things it wont be difficult, but the first stages are always gunna be harder. issnt that with everything tho? you can look at a new game and automatically be a god at it.


also, have you seen the losses the 360 is bringing? the original xbox brought a 4 billion dollar loss at the end of its major career.
http://www.joystiq.com/2005/09/26/forbes-xbox-lost-microsoft-4-bi...
the 360 is dead set on the same results.
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/26/microsoftq2_2006/

But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...

PS3 Username: Anubis66

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HOWJORD
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18. February 2006 @ 23:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
yeah bill gates has said many times, hes in this for the long term no matter hw much it costs. you have to pay and make a loss to make it succeed in the early days. The same thing will happen with sony as has happened with the first two playstations. am i reckon that producing the blue ray drive may cost them more to make. but most people will buy the ps3`just for a cheaper blue ray player.
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19. February 2006 @ 00:28 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
but sony made profits on the ps1 and 2. and if im rong here it was no where near 4 billion dollars.


here is some news.

some has a ps3 controller at home?
http://www.culture.joystiq.com/2006/02/18/someone-got-a-hold-of-a...
maybe, maybe not.



But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...

PS3 Username: Anubis66
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19. February 2006 @ 02:05 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
anubis, it is true that xbox made a loss of 4 billion in total, but firstly it only sold 22 million so i gues if it had sold anything above say 60 million then more addons and games would have been bought. and secondly the xbox did not have any killer games apart from few really good ones. As i can see this is much different from the xbox 360 games to come. also you are taking the results from when their are no really good games around and also i am reading everywhere that this xbox 360 release is the best out of any console to ever launch as it is selling on average 4 - 5 games per console, and also a whole load other things like controllers and headsets, etc.










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19. February 2006 @ 03:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
the 360 has big potential.
no games have come out for it that really shine yet.
yea there are good games like PDZ, and PGR3 but their not 'awsome' games.
when the real games come out for it like halo 3, GOW, huxley, mass effect, and lots more. then the 360 will be sure to sell even more.
they ought to make an advert for a lot of those games, showing off what they are like. hopefully they will be eye catching.

the PS3 controller still sends shivers down my back.
i read something saying that they will lookinto the dual shock controller, possibly altering it.
i flamin hope they do, for everyones sake.

Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......

Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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19. February 2006 @ 03:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
First, i would like to say great info posting guys. I love to come and read new info when i am not working so keep up the good work.

I dont think what sony did with the PSone or PS2 is anything like what Microsoft did or will do in the future as sony made money. Yeah you do have to take that loss initially but microsoft is really yet to make much money in the video gaming industry.

So far the launch of the xbox 360 has been a disaster. Microsoft felt that since the xbox was its first console, that was part of the reason for it not selling well. Mostly true, but now the xbox 360 shouldnot have any problem selling but yet it is having problems. They seem to be way behind on what they had expected to sell. I thought their was a good possibility at that happening for a second round. Honestly there are just too many people who are waiting for the PS3. Truthman....I know that more good games will come out and help the 360 sell though. Good games will come. More will buy the 360 but not enough to put it into the successful status that microsoft would hope. I dont think it will be enough to ever meet what they expect to sell. I see dissappointment for the 360 in profits in the near future unless somehow they gets those 360 out into more peoples homes. Not enough console sold equals disaster i am making my prediction on that forecast. I know everyone doesnot agree but then again everyone said the same would happen with the original xbox and what i predicted then came true after much reading and research.

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rabbity
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19. February 2006 @ 05:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
i have to agrere with truthman there, although i see where you are coming from lxhotboy its just that i do not think people do not want xbox 360 its just that there are non there to buy, but i think with the arrival of more in 4 weeks and ghost recon also releasing in 3 weeks i think it will pick up again. also i do not know about america but every games shop in britan has a playable xbox 360 with a crappy cod 2 demo from e3, i think they should use that 360 for advertising games to everyone who does not have a 360 or does not know anyone who does. and with the ps3 not releasing this spring it will help the xbox 360 a lot as they will be releasing games like gears of war and huxley at or slightly before the release of the ps3. and even if say the xbox 360 sells about 5 million by the time the ps3 releases, thern at the launch ps3 equals that then they are at least par. the last thing xbox 360 need is for ps3 to be ahead of them in the year 2006.










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19. February 2006 @ 05:48 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
oh and also is it truwe that sony will show the ps3 on the 22 of march.

check out these hd vids on, dead rising, battle field 2 and ghost recon.
p.s bttle field 2 is looking just as good as ghost recon in my opinion its just that it has not had as much hype.

http://www.gametrailers.com/e3_2k5_xb360.php










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