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10. October 2006 @ 16:28 |
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And here's an interesting kicker. I just tried to back up an older movie with scratches. With AnyDVD and Shrink or Recode, Neither Benq1650 would rip the dvd. Froze in same place. CredudencyE. So I pop it in my 16external LG 2166 DL Lightscribe. It had no trouble ripping with Shrink and then burning with Nero. So the Benqs do have their faults. I guess my next will be a Litey.
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10. October 2006 @ 16:54 |
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And here's an interesting kicker. I just tried to back up an older movie with scratches. With AnyDVD and Shrink or Recode, Neither Benq1650 would rip the dvd. Froze in same place. CredudencyE. So I pop it in my 16external LG 2166 DL Lightscribe. It had no trouble ripping with Shrink and then burning with Nero. So the Benqs do have their faults. I guess my next will be a Litey.
That's too funny! The other day I try to read a ripped disc in my new Litey and it froze part way through. Put it in my OLD Pioneer DVR-105, cut right through like butter. "I guess my next will be a Pioneer" :-)
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10. October 2006 @ 17:22 |
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@all,
be nice we all have problems now and then. lol.
@windtrade & whoever may need to see these for interpolation. Here are the scandiscs of the same 2 discs from before; the Ritek-R03 and the YUDEN000-T02.
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10. October 2006 @ 17:37 |
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Very Interesting! Maybe an NEC then. LOL
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10. October 2006 @ 17:43 |
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Right - just as expected - all green. If you seek the answer, "Is this a good burn?" then all you need is a clean straight transfer rate line and an all green scandisc to stamp guaranteed good on the disc. You see no mention of the PIF,PIE,or "disc quality".
Now, "Will it be good 10, 100 or 1000 days from now?" is an entirely different question and completely different topic.
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Very Interesting! Maybe an NEC then. LOL
I can vouch for the NEC's. The BenQ's aren't the strongest readers in the bunch, but they are excellent scanners.
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10. October 2006 @ 18:00 |
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@windtrade,
I wanted to make sure you have been following the whole journey on this roller-coaster. I am experiencing some pixelation during playback and of course don't like it. lol. I'm no longer caught up in the Quality Scans and just want clean playback. It is not that bad but a little blip and some green pixels every once in a while. It seems that I'm doing all the right things as far as burn and so on. Just looking for the perfect backup I guess. Thanks for your help and patience.
...........c
edit: @LOCOENG, I just want a good/great writer and the rest will take care of it's self. lol.
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It seems that I'm doing all the right things as far as burn and so on.
Correct, you have no issues with the burning aspects (disc, drive, firmware, system, media, etc.) Based on your posting the pixelation is resulting from something else which is off topic here.
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Just looking for the perfect backup I guess.
Given you have the burning stuff sorted, then getting a perfect backup is really quite simple - just backup the entire disc, if it does not fit on a single layer DVD, just burn onto +DL media. If you still see pixelation than it is either in the source media or start chasing down the the software player filters and video hardware stuff if you are watching on a PC. If seeing pixels on a stb on a backup disc with no compression and clean scans, then you are SOL.
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10. October 2006 @ 18:57 |
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@greensman...
i gotta agree with you.being only at this for 8 months or so now.i think we (or atleast me) are trying to hard for it to be perfect. thats not gonna happen not unless we get into the buisness directly. like windtrade has stated we are doing everything right, as far as program, software media , drives etc... we/i are just putting to much into the QS's... i have watched 4 out of the 6 burns on my new litey and no problem on(even on my pioneer standalone that has given me problems in the past) so i would say right there i have gotten a perfect burn...now we'll see 6 months down the road if those same disc still play..lol
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10. October 2006 @ 22:24 |
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i finally installed QSuite again last night (PC was rebuilt ages ago), after updating both Benq's to BCIC, the 'learned' media was all in there, cleared it out, checked Solidburn and WOPC were enabled. (that's the last i'll see of QSuite, i don't use/mess with it once it's installed).
Hear hear, re the quality scans; as much as i like the actual post content over at cdfreaks, i treat quality scans with the same contempt as huge signatures, ie my brain/mouse wheel subconciously zooms past quality scans, damn annoying in fact as it takes up time getting to actual posts.
Anyway, (sort of) pleased (well not really) to see that i'm not alone in the Benq firmware anomaly. Also it's (sort of) good to see it's happening in Nero 7. Unfortunately all it proves is i'm not seeing things. There's definitely something amiss with the Benq's, just can't find any concrete info on it.
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11. October 2006 @ 09:05 |
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im am now trying to rip X-Men2 it has scratches on the disc... i have tried ripit4me,Nero recode2,doing AnyDVD ripper now.onlything i have left i gues is to try shrink. heres my question.should i be useing my new liteon to do the rip, or my tsst cd/dvd combo to rip? i do use the tsst all the time to do my ripping should i switch to the liteon?
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11. October 2006 @ 09:18 |
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Time them both ripping the same dvd and see which is faster. I thik the fastest the litey will rip pressed DL dvd's is 8x (riplocked and no workaround). Benq's will rip pressed DL dvd's up to 16x.
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i dont have a problem with the rip time. i cant get this disc to rip due to it being scratched. iwas just wondering which drive i should use for the rip. a burner or a dvdrom drive?
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11. October 2006 @ 12:52 |
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You can't be picky dude! use anything that will work. Like a couple of posts mentioned above, a drive can read a disc while another can not read the same one, so try them all.
Start AnyDVD. Run Nero's scandisc and see how bad the disc is; if you get lots of yellow and red you are in bad shape; if Nero gets a fatal error, it is really bad. Set read speed at 1x, might help.
Try DVD Decrypter - it's been a while but it has an option to skip read errors and if there are not too many bad spots it may be able to read across them.
Try to copy using file manager; with AnyDVD running you can just copy the ifo and vobs across.
Get some toothpaste and polish the disc. I have found this works pretty well. If the disc is really badly scratched it probably won't work but it is suprising how many discs I was able to get to read after the treatment. Make sure you rinse the disc with water and dish soap and dry completly before loading. :-)
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11. October 2006 @ 14:16 |
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@greensman..
i will have to try those steps from that link i like the last step..1 glas 3 icecubes 60%oj and 40% vodka....might have to change that to 40%coke and 70%wild turkey...lol when i get home tonight im gonna try the toothpaste theory...
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11. October 2006 @ 15:25 |
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Thanks for the help and I look forward to the DocTY getting in here and applying his magic.
LOL, dunno if i can be too much help here...in regards to the powersupply, what is the make and model of it? there are certain powersupplies out there that usually come included with various aftermarket cases that are NOT sufficient and are poorly made, regardless of the WATTAGE rating on them (ie. 350w, 400w, 500w, 600w, etc.) :)
this whole powersupply discussion has me laughing bout a thread like over a year ago when someone was talking about having a "beefy" powersupply would be the solution to ALL burning problems! LOL i can't recall who it was that said that, but it's still funny when i reminisce about it~ hahahha
there is SOME truth to that guy's claim however, as all powersupplies are not created equal, just because a manufacturer claims "600w" or "400w" or whatever, it doesn't mean the efficiency of it is there...also, you have to examine the power output from each of the rails to see if it's enough for all your optical drives, harddrives, cpu, video card, etc... :) naturally, the more optical drives you are using, both internal and external, will require more power (as your powersupply still powers your cpu, vid card, mobo, etc.)
also, since i don't know much about your current system greensman, would it by chance be built by Dell/Gateway/HP or another computer manufacturer? the OEM powersupplies installed with those systems is GENERALLY only "good enough" to run the CURRENT parts in that build. if adding more drives, upgrading other components, you should definitely consider a bigger/better powersupply for your needs~ a few "brands" i would recommend from experience would be Antec, Enermax, PC Power & Cooling, Zalman, OCZ, Ultra (not the V-series, but the higher line), Mushkin, Corsair...yes, many of the companies i mentioned are known/famous for manufacturing memory modules, but they have since gone into the powersupply market and from my own builds, they have proved to be quite good/efficient. :P
please stay away from those $29.99 special "no name brand" PSUs, you get what you pay for in that regards...a lot of those powersupplies "claim" high output, but are poorly manufactured and will fail in a relatively short amount of time (and in my cases, take the rest of your system down with them)
as i've mentioned before, i don't put much on quality scans anymore, what we need to find is exactly WHERE in your setup we could tweak or improve upon to give you satisfactory burns...as the others have stated, seems like your drives + media is looking good, and your choice of burning programs is fine...perhaps there might be something in the ripping/encoding stages? i'm pulling for straws here to figure this out (reason behind your slight pixellation)...
@gus
good to hear that you haven't ponied up any more money for the XPS system, i guess the warranty is a good option for future benefit! :) that sounds good to me~ if i had known i could "swap out" an XPS for a newer upgraded model in the future for the price of a warranty, i would have purchased an XPS too! does this apply for everyone? or because you had issues with your current XPS? lemme know.
@all
regarding the firmware issues w/ the Benq drives, i've personally decided not to use the 16x rated media too much at this point, i like the quality of the 8x rated media much more and they can still be had buying online...call me "old school" but i use what has proven to work well for me in the past, the MID abnormalities in Nero scans (not showing the 3-line identification) is more apparent on the 16x media...i'm always of the school of thought to have the most updated/current firmware by the optical drive manufacturers, whether one is "better" than the other, is left to debate...you would assume that with newer firmware updates that more MID write strategies are added, but this is not always the case... :)
anyways, good luck to everyone in resolving the issues they are having...i gotta get back to work, have a good one all~
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11. October 2006 @ 16:17 |
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@those with Benqs not totally recognizing media in Nero
I really don't think it is a problem whatsoever. It's obvious the drives know what medium is in the drive because QSuite is learning the different discs that I have used. For the drive to tell QSuite what it's learned, then the drive has to know what medium is in the drive. It just doesn't seem to want to tell Nero much more than +R. My LG Nero logs indicate the manufacturer et al. My discs play without any issues, so I don't worry. JM2C
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11. October 2006 @ 16:19 |
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Hi to you and hope all is well with you and yours. Just want to say I am not much loving the 16x media, Verbatim not included in that statement. Got to say those Ritek F1's are the pits. My old NEC 1300a won't recognize them, although it will recognize 16x Verbs. My older Toshiba standalone keeps giving me illegal disks on them. IMHO I recommend this media to nobody.
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@DocTY,
OK it looks like I may have one of the PSU's you say is not all that great. Ultra V-Series 350W ATX PSU. Oops may have to upgrade that when I get the chance.
My system: AMD 939 3200+2000Hz, Ultra 512 PC3200 DDR 400MHz CL3 memory, Mach Speed MK8-939A mobo, 40GB & 160GB HDD, TSST SH-S182D & BenQ DW-1655 DVD Drives, ATI Radeon 9250 Video Card, CPU Cooling fan and Case fan, WinXP Pro, and the PSU mentioned above. As you may remember I ordered from TigerDirect because of shipping problems with Newegg which has been fixed btw. TD sent me a BareBonesKit with their PSU which I hoped at the time would be sufficient but it seems that a better and bigger supply source may be in order. I don't run any extra programs when encoding and definitely not when writing. Is it wise to shut everything down when encoding/burning? Like the LAN connection and such. I don't multitask or mess with anything while the CPU intensive stuff is happening. Man I just want to get a decent backup without the anomaly here and there. I think that my system is set up correctly but I may go through it just to make sure.
According to Q-Suite the BenQ DW-1655 has learned 5 pieces of media: TYG03, YUDEN000-T02, MCC 003, Ritek R03, and FUJIFILM03 so I think what garmoon wrote about not worrying about the media at this point is positive input indeed. This is driving me nuts btw. The only thing I can come up with is the PSU. I have tried the image on 2 different drives and it still comes up with the same thing. I have watched most of the video image on my computer and it seems fine to the naked eye. Again to reiterate I just want a clean playing backup.
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hope all is well with you and your family too~ :) other than my few hundred YUDEN000T03s and my 50-pack of MCC004 Verbs that i have long since exhausted, i try to stick w/ 8x rated media for 90% of all my backups, it's tried and tested by me to work really well. i've been actually scouring the local brick and mortar stores when they have Maxell sales, but there are ZERO MIJs spindles in my area, went to 3 different Office Depots/Staples (when on sale) to find some, not a SINGLE MIJ in the entire store, i even went back to where they had their new media shipments come in to check (courtesy of the store manager who was nice enough to allow me to peep in the back)~ :) i'd very much like to try the 16x DVD+R MIJ Maxells which are MAXELL003 coded, also made by Hitachi (i've had great success with the 8x DVD+R MAXELL002s btw) :) from what my buddy catfreak mentioned awhile back, he's having terrific backups on them, too bad they're not available to me here locally~ :(
i've never been a big proponent of the newer medias, i like to recommend what i have had good success with; as you can see in my sig, i recommend only those i have confidence in and have used at least a thousand pieces of before i add my recommendation to them (only exception being the YUDEN000T03s and the more expensive DVD+R DL Verbatim media- have 250 total of the T03s and until i can't get any more YUDEN000T02s directly from TY, i'm not willing to switch), that is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what i have used :)
@greensman
your system sounds pretty stable, but i THINK that a 350w might just not be enough for 2 harddrives, 2 optical drives, along with the rest of your system~ :) the "V-series" by Ultra are not necessarily "bad/poor" PSUs, i've used 2 of them in the past (400w and the 500w) with mixed results, that's the only reason why i wouldn't recommend them, the 400w one failed after 3 months, the 500w one still works, but i sold it to a friend for $40 because i upgraded my own Ultra products~...the next "bump" up from Ultra is the XFinity line and the X-Connect line, in my experience, these are more dependable and efficient than the V-series line...and can be had for less than $100, often times around $50 or so after mail in rebate; i was using the X2-Connect 550w modular Ultra a few months ago for my Core 2 Duo build, it does a good job (modular cabling is good for me so i can eliminate some of the clutter inside my case and improve airflow and only use the cables i need, personal preference of course) and was good until i upgraded my vid. card and i needed a bigger/stronger one~ LOL i'm now using an OCZ GameXStream 700w monster that is more than enough for my needs~ :)
as to shutting down everything in the background, most people would recommend to do so, but for me, i don't shut down anything~ LOL talk about living on the "wild side" eh? i figure as long as you have a clean system with everything working optimally, it might be a "safe bet" or a "good idea" to shut down the other stuff, but i don't think in doing so, it's enough to remedy your current issues with your backups that you really need to change your process at this point. :)
i agree with garmoon's input as well, given QSuite is learning the media (i'm assuming you've used more than say 5+ of each kind right?) then i don't suspect the media being the problem here. i know this must be so frustrating to you, and you say that upon viewing the video_ts files on your computer, you see NOTHING wrong? so it's safe to assume you have a perfectly good rip/encode? hmm...i think we're getting closer to a solution/fix, but just not there yet...if we can rule out the media, the drives, the ripped/encoded file output, the burn process...there must be something very small that i'm missing here??? could there be ANY remote, however minute, details that your standalone players don't like/prefer certain medias? or possibly that your backup when played on your computer you don't notice the pixellation, but on a much larger screen when played on standlone player you notice?
the PSU upgrade recommendation is something to look into for the future, but even the best psu out there won't correct this problem until we've figured out exactly where the problem lies... :(
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@DocTY or the smarter than me....lol
I have found a couple of PSU's at CompUSA (if they have them in stock) and wanted your opinion of them. Thanks for the responses in advance.
480 Antec...
http://www.compusa.com/products/product_...2v_Power_Supply
350 Antec....
http://www.compusa.com/products/product_...SU_Power_Supply
Just to refresh those looking at this. I have been having problems with pixelation and the Doc and I have narrowed it down to a possible PSU problem. The way I see it: it is a bad rip, problem with encoding, or a PSU problem because of the amount of stuff packed in my puter. If there is any other opinions I would like to hear them because I know me; I will buy one of these in the next couple of days if no other solution can present itself.
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edit: I am going to make an effort to go through all the things again: defrag, check rips, encoding and writing isolation, and whatever else could interfer with a 'good quality backup' and then make a decision on the PSU with the recommendations I receive from here. Thanks again from the knowledgable.
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i know i said i was done with the scans but i cant help myself..lol
a 95 on a Sony16x-r MIJ
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If the encoded folder plays ok (no pixelation) from the hdd on your pc then it must be ripped and encoded ok. The problem would have to lie with either the burning process (psu could be a possibility) or the media right.
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now i scaned this disc yesterday and got a 77 and did it again today and got a 93. how could that be? its the same disc
this one is from today
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